Test Boosters Help

[Irish]

I'm 36 and have tried a few different test boosters and have cycled at various lengths for each of them from 4-8weeks. Tried Novedex XT, Pronabolin, Anabolic Signal. I also stack everything with 1500 mg of straight Trib during my cycles.
I've put on a bit of weight and have experienced various levels of increased muscle hardness with each. Problem now is I'm plateuing.
Height-6'2" Weight-230 lbs. (target 240 lbs reasonably lean but not cover model lean).
Would like any advice or personal experiences of non-prohormone non-steroid test boosters or estrogen blockers that anyone would be kind enough to share and/or recommend.
I take in appropriate amts. of whey isolate, and mass shakes and follow a strict diet with intake Q 2-3 hrs. to keep the metabolism revving.
I always practice the cores in squats, deadlifts, and benches with complimentary weight exercises. I never go over 1.25 hrs. of weights/session and rest responsibly between workout days. Any recommendations truly appreciated.

[#8]

you seem to have the basics down pretty solid. test boosters have their place and i believe they can work for people over 30. Fusion has a decent line of products related to all natural test boosters. They have a product called Zeus that actually boosted my test significantly (shown on blood work) over a period of 8 weeks. Testosterone production can be increased by improving your sleeping patterns and steering clear of trans and unnecessary saturated fats. Try stacking Zeus with Fusion's Shuteye. I believe they actually sell them together in a combo pack called "sleeping giant" lol. Glutamine in doses of 15-20g per day can also help improve your LH production when taken right before bed. There are a lot of people who claim that test boosting supplements are a waste, but they have their place if you can dose them at appropriate times and stack them with complimentary supplements and a solid diet. good luck dude.

[pseclint]

Zues was garbage IMO......

[Irish]

Thanks Jersey # 8 for your input...greatly appreciated. I looked into Zeus initially as the gentleman who owns the gym I go to had good previous experience with this product. He is a pro Highland games competitor and has some professional powerlifting stats on his historical resume which I greatly admire. However I went with Pronabolin instead as it contains nearly twice as much Testofen (downside was no Longjack). I also was concerned as I believe that Zeus does not contain any type of aromatase inhibitor. Having said that I am definitely considering your recommendation as I work a ton of shift work and un-medicated sleep is not part of my vocabulary.
Any helpful suggestions or experiences to share pseclint?

[physique]

axis ht by bsn, and gaspari novedex xt are too of the best in my opinion. if you wish to add some tongkat ali(long jack) to the mix, then pm me as i am pretty sure its banned in canada( could be wrong on that). i happen to have a few bottles kicking around.

[Irish]

Thanks Physique for your knowledge. I actually get Novedex XT at half of the cheapest price ($44 CAN) what you would pay in Canada over the internet out of the U.S. If you can beat $23 US/bottle absolutely interested. Also intrigued by both Axis HT and Longjack. I suppose that it is possible that Longjack as a stand alone supplement might be banned, but there are alot of supps still being sold legally here that contain this product. Any personal experience with either?

[Ritch]

Glutamine increase LH??? Scratchin my chin...

edit: Acutally you`re right glutamine does increae LH. It increases my LH because I get so mad thinking of how bad it sucks and therefore increases my testosterone via increased anger thinking of all the money I`ve spent on this worthless supplement. But hey, if it works for you...

[#8]

Glutamine increase LH??? Scratchin my chin...

edit: Acutally you`re right glutamine does increae LH. It increases my LH because I get so mad thinking of how bad it sucks and therefore increases my testosterone via increased anger thinking of all the money I`ve spent on this worthless supplement. But hey, if it works for you...

LOL. taken right before bed i remember reading that somewhere.....but your reasoning is good too

[Irish]

Any other endorsements out there? Hoping for a wider range of input and maybe even a few of you that agree on a product(s). Having said that I really appreciate the replies to my post so far, although they may be limited.

[Ritch]

Novadex by gaspari, execellent product, I`m actually surprised how well it works. Haven`t tried axix by bsn or zeus so I can`t comment. Tribulus never really did anything for me. I`m getting older now (32) so maybe in time in will have a place in my already very full cupboard of pills. Do you take ZMA? That could be another piece of the puzzle. It`s a staple if you ask me.

I`m not putting any limits on what you can achieve, but you`re already up there in weight and think these kind of supps will have less and less effect on you. Meaning one day...

[#8]

I cant speak for anyone else but I actually had blood work done during my Zeus cycle, and it took my test from almost non-existant to almost normal levels in about 6 weeks. This product does work if taken properly.

[Ritch]

I cant speak for anyone else but I actually had blood work done during my Zeus cycle, and it took my test from almost non-existant to almost normal levels in about 6 weeks. This product does work if taken properly.

That`s some good feedback. Were you post cycle or anything? How much were you taking so I can make an judgement on the product and bitch about it if it`s expensive or not?

[#8]

Ya I had just finished a 12 week Deca / Winny cycle lol

I know thats a brutal combo and most people wouldnt do it without test, but I did, and it SHUT ME DOWN. My bloodwork showed my test levels at 3ng/ml or something like that. Whatever the standard measuring ratio is, thats what it was (3). MY doctor told me I had the hormone levels of an 80 year old man lol. Poor planning on my part I didnt have any PCT other than the Zeus and some creatine and NO2 I planned on using to keep my strength up post cycle. It was my first run so dont flame me too badly. I have learned.

Long story short, the Zeus worked well on paper, which is more than most guys can say for a product they are using.

[Irish]

Really appreciate the feedback Ritch. If Gaspari is in fact the creme de la creme than...hmmm, I know what you mean. Will definitely give ZMA a try though. I've been dancing with the idea for some time now. I guess cause I eat really well and take appropriate multi-vits I figured that ZMA would be useless. Thanks again.

[Irish]

Jersey # 8. Did the Zeus return your levels on paper back to their normal values or higher? If so, do you have a number or lab measurement for that?

Slainte

[Irish]

Sorry about my last useless post, can't keep up with both of you (my age is showin'). Zeus is starting to get me thinking. What do you think about stacking the two-Novedex and Zeus? Useless idea? Different ingredients in each. What is your age group Jersey # 8, so I can have an idea how effective the product (Zeus) might be on an old man like me? They say that every year after the age of 28 your Test spirals downward.

[Ritch]

How many caps were you taking per day #8?

[Ritch]

Sorry about my last useless post, can't keep up with both of you (my age is showin'). Zeus is starting to get me thinking. What do you think about stacking the two-Novedex and Zeus? Useless idea? Different ingredients in each. What is your age group Jersey # 8, so I can have an idea how effective the product (Zeus) might be on an old man like me? They say that every year after the age of 28 your Test spirals downward.

If you take both together, how will you know which one worked? I`d say try one for 6-8 weeks then 4 weeks off then the other for the same amount of time, take 4 weeks off then try both together.

[Irish]

How many caps/day/serving did you take of the Zeus Jersey # 8 and what is your age group please?

[#8]

I was using the recommended dose for the first half of the cycle, then for the second half i doubled it. I was 22 at the time so that might have had something to do with my quick recovery. When I doubled the dose of Zeus, I felt like I was on shrooms for a good hour after I took the dose. It was a very odd feeling, but a good feeling. ZMA as mentioned before is a solid idea to stack with the Zeus, as well as some potent Trib. Tribestan ranks among the strongest pure trib extracts on the market. Biotest makes Tribex as well which is very strong, the strongest I have used. Hope that helps.

[BAM]

Are you sure that you wouldnt have recovered as well naturally over the 6 weeks in question?

[Ritch]

Taking zeus and tribex is an expensive proposition. I`m guessing about $120 a month. Although this thread is not about pct, wouldn`t it just be better to use some aromasin and nolvadex?