Ok is it bulking time yet?

[Shogun]

Hey bros
Wanted to introduce myself. First off wanted to say ive been on a couple boards and stoked to be on one with a bunch of good canadian bros. Now im getting tired of eating like a bird and trying to stay lean and im planning on running my first (real) cycle this coming september. Im planning on running 500mgs a week of either test En or Sust 250 for 12 wks along with proviron and nolva for pct. Im also gonna try and get some hcg (if i can get my hands on some). I've been workin out seriously for 4 years and im 5'8 180 and about 6-8%. So my question is what do you guys think would be best for pct/doses? Sorry for joining and asking questions right off the bat but im getting to excited haha

[7 Scape O'Tech]

hey bud no apology needed that's what we're here for! Just 500mg of test per week shouldn't require too much PCT. Try nolva at 120mg, 80, 40mg for 3 weeks and you should be great! :)

[Shogun]

sounds good thanks man, also ive heard a couple different theories should i run it right after im done the test or wait 2 weeks?

[gustavo77]

sounds good thanks man, also ive heard a couple different theories should i run it right after im done the test or wait 2 weeks?

Wait 14 days after your last shot of test before starting pct.

[7 Scape O'Tech]

gustavo right as always!

[7 Scape O'Tech]

although i guess it depends, if you did sust you could wait a bit longer for the last esters to clear, but on the other hand nolva has such a long half life myself i like to take it a bit earlier to build up high blood levels. But i mean, try 14 days, and play accordingly on future cycles, it's a bit of getting to know your own body.

[Shogun]

awesome thanks for the help guys, have either of you used proviron, if so was it worth it?

[7 Scape O'Tech]

You know proviron is one of the very few items i haven't used, also went with clomid or nolva, but alot of guys love it, say it helps with sexual function too.

[Shogun]

yeah thats what ive heard aswell and hopefully thats the case haha

[shithead]

I'd take either an oral or a short ester until the sust clears your system so you can continue to grow before PCT.

[Shogun]

What would you guys say would be better for first cycle sust or test E?

[bigdaddydrew123]

What would you guys say would be better for first cycle sust or test E?test e all the way. 2 shots /week. easier to keep stable blood levels.

[Mr.Freeze]

Test. E for sure:)

[Houstonbc]

test e!

[Shogun]

test e it is thanks for the help, can anyone vouch for the proviron?

[Houstonbc]

i did sust in my 1st cycle a few years back and looked like a walking marshmallow haha

[Mr.Freeze]

test e it is thanks for the help, can anyone vouch for the proviron?

You will have nice result for your first cycle :)

[Shogun]

awesome thanks for the help guys ill keep you posted and let you know how its going

[Shogun]

ok so 2 more dumb questions haha one for injecting how many mgs is a cc? For instance i wanna do weekly injections of 500mgs and on the vial it says 250mgs/ml. Second what are the best pin sizes for glute/delt injections?

[RJ*]

dont use proviron in pct- IMO

[7 Scape O'Tech]

if it's 250mg/ml, then 2 mls is 500mg. For glute i'd go 1.5 inch 23g, for delt 1 inch 23-25 guage.

[Smoke Eater]

This is a good thread to read...

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230


if that link doesn't work, look for the thread "ML's,IU's,MCg's,MG's what it all means"

[Shogun]

great thread thanks

[Shogun]

What do you guys think would be the best anti-e for me (in any) if im only doing 500mgs a week of test cyp?

[Mr.Freeze]

If you had gyno before or if its for water retention arimidex would be good!

[Shogun]

sounds good its more for water id like to stay as dry as possible, whats the best dose?

[Mr.Freeze]

You should be ok with .5mgs a day

[Shogun]

awesome thanks for the help freeze

[Mr.Freeze]

your welcome:)

[strongmann]

If you had gyno before or if its for water retention arimidex would be good!

i agree with you 1000% :D

[RJ*]

letro is the best at keeping you dry
aromasin in the best anti e overall

[Shogun]

So im thinkin about now maybe running Dianabol for the first 4 weeks so my cycle will look like this
1-12 Testosterone Cypionate - 500mg (250mgs twice a week)
1-4 Dianabol 50mgs a week?
Think its a good idea or should i stick with just test for my first cycle?

[D-S]

Run dbol lower dose but for longer time, if you go over to gavinkane.com(a pro bodybuilder trainer) he reccomends longer time on dbol, like 8 weeks at 30mg a day for a beginner.

[Shogun]

Bump for anyone else on the dbol?

[Kronis]

Bump for anyone else on the dbol?

Not that I have any experience yet but I'll be starting my first on Nov 1 and if I can scape together the funds i'll be adding dbol.

Anyway, I'll be running

1-12(maybe 14 weeks) Test Cyp 420mg/week (300mg/ml, 0.6ml E3D).
and possibly dbol @ 25mg/day for 6-8 weeks but since I ordered my cycle/pct without it I may just wait until next time.

Everybody preaches only running dbol for 4 weeks, but let's be honest, if you're only running 1 oral, especially at a low dose like 20-30mg/day, and you're not drinking heavily you're not gonna melt your liver 8 weeks so if you want to go the gavinkane route that's your call.

p.s. diana sauce is amazing, i actually have 4 different kinds in my fridge right now.

[deleteduser0002]

I agree with D-S running the D-bol longer at 30mg/day is a better option IMO. Or as an alternative you could run it 4weeks on 4weeks off throughout the cycle, ie. weeks 1-4 on D-bol weeks 5-8 off, weeks 9-12 on.

[Shogun]

Sounds good thanks for the help, i think im gonna run 30mgs weeks 1-4 just for a little kick start i dont need much thanks

[MIAGIONJUS]

are dbols toxic to kidneys as well?

[germanbeast]

Dbols for 4-6 weeks with a dosage of 30mg per day in combination with testo c should be enough!
My cycle proposal
* 250 mg testo e4d
* for 20 weeks
* Frontload 3x250 mg(in week 1)
* in the last week 1x250 mg
* ed 30(3*10) mg Methandienon
* for the first 6 weeks
* 2 weeks after the last injection start with PCT

[germanbeast]

are dbols toxic to kidneys as well?

Yes they are!

[Shogun]

ok so i got it figured FINALLY this is what it looks like
1-4 Dbol 30mgs ED
1-12 500mgs Test E (250mgs twice a week)
1-12 .5mgs EOD Arimidex
PCT
25mgs Nolvadex ED
4-5 pumps of Dermacrine Sustain

[germanbeast]

I see you wanna use ari while cycle... WHY?
The water that you get from the testo is a must for bulking if you don't like it take testo p instead of testo e. I cannot understand the guys who are afraid of the water because after the cycle you will loose it very fast.

Ari should you only use because when you feel that you get a gyno. Don't use ari only for prevention.

Please don't understand me wrong but the guys who take ari while cycle because of the water irritation are often disco screwballs and poser but definitely not real bodybuilder.

[Shogun]

its more on hand for a just in case, mind you i will be using it to keep to much excess water down.

[bigdaddydrew123]

I see you wanna use ari while cycle... WHY?
The water that you get from the testo is a must for bulking if you don't like it take testo p instead of testo e. I cannot understand the guys who are afraid of the water because after the cycle you will loose it very fast.

Ari should you only use because when you feel that you get a gyno. Don't use ari only for prevention.

Please don't understand me wrong but the guys who take ari while cycle because of the water irritation are often disco screwballs and poser but definitely not real bodybuilder.iagree with beast.adex is over kill at that dose of test. just have nolvadex on hand if you ned it. lots of water and good diet will keep water down .adex is like using ashotgun to kill afly, its over kill at that dose of test imo

[BAM]

nolva every day makes your penis cry.

[Sniven]

nolva every day makes your penis cry.


LMAO!

[Mr.Freeze]

iagree with beast.adex is over kill at that dose of test. just have nolvadex on hand if you ned it. lots of water and good diet will keep water down .adex is like using ashotgun to kill afly, its over kill at that dose of test imo

you got that right! :D

[Shogun]

Sounds good thanks bros maybe ill skip it

[Shogun]

Hey Bros thought i would give you an update
Just started into week 3 and up about 10lbs and all lifts are up, some more then others. Eating like a horse! Thanks for all the help

[Mr.Freeze]

nice:) keep it up!