clen and ephedrine at the same time

[powerrack]

Say one was to use a mild dose of 50-60mcg of clen a day and on workout days 4-5 times a week used 20-30mg ephedrine pre-workout. Would this be ok to do?

Sorry if it's a dumb question...I'm a fairly new clen user.

[gustavo77]

No...stay away from clen...very bad for the heart. Albuterol is much safer. ECA though is one of the best combos and will work well for most people...no need to use pharmaceutical drugs to get cut..

[St]

A guy in my city had a stroke from taking both in the same day.I like clen only for a short amount of time 3 weeks max with 1 month off.Clen gives me high blood pressure if i take it more that 3 weeks.

[Praetorian]

Say one was to use a mild dose of 50-60mcg of clen a day and on workout days 4-5 times a week used 20-30mg ephedrine pre-workout. Would this be ok to do?

Sorry if it's a dumb question...I'm a fairly new clen user.

Be wary of answers you get so do your own research to back it up. Both clenbuterol and ephedrine are beta agonists except clenbuterol is a specific beta 2 agonist which means it targets specific beta cells unlike ephedrine which targets many. Because they both target beta 2 cells it is unwise to take both at the same time or during the same cycle because clen being a much more potent fat burner will now have to compete with
the weaker ephedrine for beta 2 stimulation. As well you do not give your beta 2 cells a chance to upregulate if you take ephedrine while you are off clen. Because clen is a beta 2 specific agonist it doesnt target certain beta cells ie the heart etc. In reasonable dosages clen is not a stimulant. Ephedrine on the other hand is and will down regulate your adrenal production significantly leading to burnout and depresssion and weight gain once you stop it. The other issue is being a stimulant ephedrine cause an increase in cortisol production leading to muscle loss...not what you want if dieting. Clen is much safer and much more effective in reasonable dosages then ephedrine. Also be wary of anecdotal evidence...ie this guy i know died cause he took clen or ephedrine together etc...this is not a scientific assessment of the individual and the persons medical history is unknown...anecdotal evidence leads to fear mongoring an misinformation. Clenbuterol also does not raise blood pressure....try taking your blood pressure after a dose of clen youll find it is lower...the increase you feel is the heart pumping more blood in an effort to raise blood pressure from the clen.
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[deleteduser0001]

for myself, not a great idea. the idea that this may actually make my heart explode is enough to not do it.

[Big D]

great post Praetorian

[canadianmuscle0803]

No...stay away from clen...very bad for the heart. Albuterol is much safer. ECA though is one of the best combos and will work well for most people...no need to use pharmaceutical drugs to get cut..


albuterol is safer but also less effective.. there is nothing wrong with taking clen in moderation.

[Praetorian]

albuterol is safer but also less effective.. there is nothing wrong with taking clen in moderation.

albuterol does nothing when it comes to fat loss...compete waste of money.
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[quebecbulk]

Is there a specific reason you want to take both together?

If its simply for a pre-workout boost then I would stick to ECA, on the other hand if your dieting I would do 2 wks clen then 2 wks ECA and keep alternating until you reach your goal.

[Praetorian]

Is there a specific reason you want to take both together?

If its simply for a pre-workout boost then I would stick to ECA, on the other hand if your dieting I would do 2 wks clen then 2 wks ECA and keep alternating until you reach your goal.

Alternating ECA and clen is a waste...both compete for the same receptor...you are not gaining anything...you are losing with the ECA...if you want to cycle it take the clen two weeks on two weeks off (no ECA) if you dont want to cycle it you can gradually raise the dose during the diet or take ketotifen with it to upregulate the beta cells.
A cup of coffee or red bull is more then sufficient pre workout.
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[deleteduser0001]

albuterol does nothing when it comes to fat loss...compete waste of money.
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albuterol and clenbuterol are no different other than the half lifes, or that was my understanding. albuterol sure raised the shit out of my core tempature

[gixxman]

I agree that albuterol is useless and also that ephedra and clen together are overkill. I've used clen and loved the results but found that eca did the same thing.

[quebecbulk]

Alternating ECA and clen is a waste...both compete for the same receptor...you are not gaining anything...you are losing with the ECA...if you want to cycle it take the clen two weeks on two weeks off (no ECA) if you dont want to cycle it you can gradually raise the dose during the diet or take ketotifen with it to upregulate the beta cells.
A cup of coffee or red bull is more then sufficient pre workout.
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Damn! Thanks for the update bro..

A few more more question if you dont mind:

Say your 16 wks out and start dieting (with clen) right off the bat what kind of sides can you expect even when incorperating the ketotifen?

Does the ketotifen prevent clen side effects in high dosages?

Reason I ask it that I tend to run some pretty high amounts of clen, thus the cycling.

PS: ketotifen makes me sick all the time, any explanation?

[outshine]

Ive done longer runs of clen with ketotifen, i found that the clen remained effective for longer but it made it so hard to wake up in the mornings and it gave me brain fog for most of the morning. It also made me want to eat more.

As per sides, it did not do anything to relieve the cramps or the tremors if anything it took longer to get used to them

[Praetorian]

Ive done longer runs of clen with ketotifen, i found that the clen remained effective for longer but it made it so hard to wake up in the mornings and it gave me brain fog for most of the morning. It also made me want to eat more.

As per sides, it did not do anything to relieve the cramps or the tremors if anything it took longer to get used to them

Take the ketotifen in the evening...taurine should help for the cramps...make sure you are not restricting sodium either.
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[outshine]

i take the keitofen before bed to help me get to sleep but the next morning is just awful.

I recommend a banana in the morning and a bunch of taurine to relieve the other sides, i still hate clen tho makes me feel like crap.

I don't see a problem with taking a small bit of ephedrine preworkout to give yourself an energy boost, just don't go overboard (those 8mg "nasal decongestant" tabs come in handy).