Test Cyp and Winny Cycle

[noneck73]

Just wanna run this past the wiser ones out there:
1-10 week 250 mgs Test Cyp
2-10 week 40 mgs Winny
Hows this sound for a cutter? Any PCT advice would be appreciated...
Thanks

[ezturbo]

Looks pretty minor, but would provide a steroidal environment for cutting. Cutting with those agents is something that is going to be left up to your diet. IMO.

I know alot of people that will say dont go over 6 weeks winny, to harsh.
Have you considered Var? Besides the cost, the low toxicity and effectiveness are second to none (to some).

[hugh mungus]

start off with some stats, that looks pretty weak to me. Is the winny oral or inj?

[hyperlite32]

Try a low dose test/tren cycle. It all depends on your cycle history, diet, training...

There really are no cutting steroids.

It all comes down to diet and cardiovasular training.

[hugh mungus]

Try a low dose test/tren cycle. It all depends on your cycle history, diet, training...

There really are no cutting steroids.

It all comes down to diet and cardiovasular training.

agreed 100%. test/tren is tough to beat, but it does come down to your comittment of diet and cardio.

[noneck73]

Is the winny harsh if it injected? I wasn't sure. But other than a Var only and some prohormones it would be my second venture in to AAS.
Stats: 35 yrs. 220 lbs. 5'5". Training for 3 years solid, but trained for 6 years when I was younger took off 22 thru 32. Usually 10-20 mins of Cardio 5 Xs a week.

[St]

If you doing inj winny then you will be fine,but oral will mess with your HDL.

[hyperlite32]

what pro-hormones did you use? gains?

[Praetorian]

Just wanna run this past the wiser ones out there:
1-10 week 250 mgs Test Cyp
2-10 week 40 mgs Winny
Hows this sound for a cutter? Any PCT advice would be appreciated...
Thanks

250mgs test will do little if anything at all. You are basically replacing your endogenous test production thats it...500mgs per week in divided dosages would be a minimum while dieting or gaining. The winny is a cosmetic hardener and is most effective when bodyfat is in the single digits. Also do not forget it is 17aa which does put strain on the liver as well it has a drying effect which tends to make the joints irritable if taken for long durations. It is unnecessary to run it longer than 4-6 weeks and should be run near the end of your deit when you are already lean. Tren is a much more potent androgen and is unnecessary while dieting unless you are competing. You can run 10-20 mg daily of nolvadex and your blood lipid profile will be fine.
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[noneck73]

As for prohormones: trenaplex and got about 5lbs that i kept, but the strength was great! and testanate-50 which is sdrol,tren,pheraplex (i think). And have about 7lbs from that.
Why is is that some on here say low dose test (250mgs/week) works well for some newbs?
Praetorian are you saying Tren would be better to cycle than Winny? And would I have to run the Nolvdex for the entire cycle? or just as PCT?

[Praetorian]

As for prohormones: trenaplex and got about 5lbs that i kept, but the strength was great! and testanate-50 which is sdrol,tren,pheraplex (i think). And have about 7lbs from that.
Why is is that some on here say low dose test (250mgs/week) works well for some newbs?
Praetorian are you saying Tren would be better to cycle than Winny? And would I have to run the Nolvdex for the entire cycle? or just as PCT?

IMO prohormones are complete garbage. Why take something with more sides then aas and but much less effective...what is the point??? When taking test you need to have blood androgens at a certain level to make gains while offseason or maintain mass while dieting. Replacing your endogenous test with exogenous does not raise androgen levels it just replaces what you were naturally producing anyway...250mg weekly is a waste of time and money. I would limit tren use to competitive BB and advanced users. For someone wanting to diet and look good it is completely unecessary. You can run the test while dieting until you are quite lean and then add in a few weeks of winny for hardening purposes...thats all you need. Have you had blood work done to check your HDL levels etc? 10mg daily will maintain HDL levels but nolva is not a very effective PCT agent by itself. Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) is basically a weak estrogen that attaches to the estro receptor in essence blocking any free estrogen from attaching and doing its job ie unwanted side effects. It helps restart natty test levels because it creates a low estro environment but it does not act on the pituitary or hypothalmus directly like clomid does. The best PCT is an anti e like aromasin run right through with hcg for a few weeks followed by clomid for a few weeks. Dosages and duration are dependant on many factors such as age, length of cycle, types of compounds used.
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[ezturbo]

IMO prohormones are complete garbage. Why take something with more sides then aas and but much less effective...what is the point??? When taking test you need to have blood androgens at a certain level to make gains while offseason or maintain mass while dieting. Replacing your endogenous test with exogenous does not raise androgen levels it just replaces what you were naturally producing anyway...250mg weekly is a waste of time and money. I would limit tren use to competitive BB and advanced users. For someone wanting to diet and look good it is completely unecessary. You can run the test while dieting until you are quite lean and then add in a few weeks of winny for hardening purposes...thats all you need. Have you had blood work done to check your HDL levels etc? 10mg daily will maintain HDL levels but nolva is not a very effective PCT agent by itself. Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) is basically a weak estrogen that attaches to the estro receptor in essence blocking any free estrogen from attaching and doing its job ie unwanted side effects. It helps restart natty test levels because it creates a low estro environment but it does not act on the pituitary or hypothalmus directly like clomid does. The best PCT is an anti e like aromasin run right through with hcg for a few weeks followed by clomid for a few weeks. Dosages and duration are dependant on many factors such as age, length of cycle, types of compounds used.
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Sweet post dude. Though, I still think 250mg of test can still be useful/effective, still increases nitrogen uptake and increased RBC, and definatly allows more test to be used for muscle development instead of the useless natty 2%, or 0% for you geizers ;). Maybe im wrong but that can be useful for alot of people not looking to 'blow-up frankestein style', like a non pro, or a hobbist. BUT the inconsistant blood levels may lead to the same side effects a higher test cycle would create, so meh.

I believe your right on the money with pro-hormones though, might as well chow all the wonderful chemicals under your sink.

Outta curiousity, why do you believe tren should only be used by pros?

[Praetorian]

Sweet post dude. Though, I still think 250mg of test can still be useful/effective, still increases nitrogen uptake and increased RBC, and definatly allows more test to be used for muscle development instead of the useless natty 2%, or 0% for you geizers ;). Maybe im wrong but that can be useful for alot of people not looking to 'blow-up frankestein style', like a non pro, or a hobbist. BUT the inconsistant blood levels may lead to the same side effects a higher test cycle would create, so meh.

I believe your right on the money with pro-hormones though, might as well chow all the wonderful chemicals under your sink.

Outta curiousity, why do you believe tren should only be used by pros?

Let me rephrase that...250mg per week of test is completey useless unless you are a geriatric producing little to no testosterone. If you are between the ages of 18-45 it is a waste. All you are doing is replacing endogenous test no more is going to muscle building or anything else for that matter...its basically HRT.
As for tren i did not say Pro BB i said competitive BB as in entering a competition whether it be level one or the nationals. For the regular guy in the gym its unnecessary. You can look great on many other less harsh compounds then tren. The idea is basically the benefits should outweigh the risks involved.
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[ezturbo]

Lol So your saying people are secreting 35mg of test naturally? No. You'd be really, really, hard pressed to find that person, even the average "hormone raging teen" that could produce more then 15-20mg a day. 250mg has it's benefits, maybe just not for you.

[Vomit]

250mg is still almost double what a normal man with high test has. I think 250mg might be good enough for some people and might be too little for others. People occur on a spectrum of sensitivities too AAS and we cant know for sure that this guy wont grow on 250mg/week. However to be on the safe side 500mg would be more likely to produce results.
through my experiences I have found that training and diet are twice perhaps even three times as important as steroids. Perhaps he could take 500 and get no results, while a guy with dedicated training methods and spot on diet could take 250 and get great results

[Praetorian]

250mg is still almost double what a normal man with high test has. I think 250mg might be good enough for some people and might be too little for others. People occur on a spectrum of sensitivities too AAS and we cant know for sure that this guy wont grow on 250mg/week. However to be on the safe side 500mg would be more likely to produce results.
through my experiences I have found that training and diet are twice perhaps even three times as important as steroids. Perhaps he could take 500 and get no results, while a guy with dedicated training methods and spot on diet could take 250 and get great results

The issue is if you are going to take something the benefit to risk ratio better be worth the effort. So if you are producing only 100mg endogenous test weekly and you take 250mg you only have 150mg left after suppressing your HPTA. This is barely more than you started with which puts the risk to benefit ratio much too low. If you are going to take aas do some ressearch, take the necessary precautions and do things correctly. Taking 250mg per week does not produce any less sides then 500mg weekly but you get much much less for your efforts and still run the same risks...not wise.
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