HCG Method...

[Old-Dog]

I have 10,000 IU of HCG.

I took 5000IU on my 1st shot.

Then 5 days later 1000IU followed by another 1000iu 5days later.

Then I took 500iu every 3 days till finnished with arimidex 1mg per day.

I sense it worked after the 5000iu but the next 2 weeks it wasn't as potent.

Should I repeat process? Try a different method? Or is another 10,000iu too much?

I will tell you, after the 5000iu my libido was off the charts for a week!

Anyway, some feedback would be cool.

[tarnow]

5000IU in one shot is crazy. You can permanently **** up your Leydig cells.

[Old-Dog]

OH No,

How do you find out if you did that?

Aw shyte. I ****ed that one up.

[tarnow]

Leydig cells are responsible for secreting testosterone, so you'll know if your test levels are really low or non existent.

I don't know how bad one injection would affect them, but keep the dose lower next time. search around this site and you'll find lots of info on different ways to run HCG.

[waderow]

about 1000iu per week is good. Some take more, some less.

[Old-Dog]

Unreal. This has been my worst cycle in 10 years. Nothing but fack up's.

So, I guess it's back to my doc and tell him I injected 5000iu hcg?

[theboss]

i usually only do 500iu EOD...keeping the doses low and consistent is better then 1 big blast

[flapjack]

Not to sound like a dick, but why wouldn't you ask this first, then use it?

[Old-Dog]

Well, if one can do 500iu eod than I suppose the 5000 won't be too bad.

I will never go forth and experiment without the consent of the counsel.

Let it be known.

lol

[onamission]

Well, if one can do 500iu eod than I suppose the 5000 won't be too bad.

I will never go forth and experiment without the consent of the counsel.

Let it be known.

lol

ya shouldn't be too bad...it's only 10 times the usual dose...lol..j/k.

[St]

You can shot 5000iu,just look at the book Anabolic reference 2006,if you are taking 1 gram or more of test you will need a big shot.The only why to shut down the Leydig cells if to take the stuff more than 3 week.
I have been taking it like this for year,and many friends in the guy,so anyone that thinks its wrong read the book its right in there.

[tony_canuck]

i've always run lower shots of hcg with good results. maybe it's in the reference book, but I prefer lower dosage shots over multiple weeks

[St]

i've always run lower shots of hcg with good results. maybe it's in the reference book, but I prefer lower dosage shots over multiple weeks

Ya i did 500iu ed for 10 days, didn't like the shots everyday.

[BAM]

I'm clearly no expert, but from what I have read, the recurring theme is that
anything over 1000iu every 72 hours and any longer than 3-4weeks on it and you risk gyno and frying your nads.

(shrug)

Doing it for the first time right now and staying with 500iu twice a week for 3 weeks.

I guess I'll see how that goes.

[big_luse]

Dr Crisler recomends never using more than 500iu @ once because you can permanently desensitize your leydig cells bro ... 5000 is retarded.

[St]

Dr Crisler recomends never using more than 500iu @ once because you can permanently desensitize your leydig cells bro ... 5000 is retarded.


Read the book,why to many Guru's out there.

[tripleA]

I'm clearly no expert, but from what I have read, the recurring theme is that
anything over 1000iu every 72 hours and any longer than 3-4weeks on it and you risk gyno and frying your nads.

(shrug)

Doing it for the first time right now and staying with 500iu twice a week for 3 weeks.

I guess I'll see how that goes.

Not sure if this is true. Some people run HCG 500iu 2 X week throughout their cycle to keep their balls full.

[gustavo77]

I'm clearly no expert, but from what I have read, the recurring theme is that
anything over 1000iu every 72 hours and any longer than 3-4weeks on it and you risk gyno and frying your nads.

(shrug)

Doing it for the first time right now and staying with 500iu twice a week for 3 weeks.

I guess I'll see how that goes.

Not true...you can take HCG for years and it will not damage the leydig cells of the testes. What damages the cells are the large doses and or doses taken too frequently. Where the limit is on dosages?? Who really knows....5000iu in one shot though could certainly damage some cells. I've heard of HCG being prescribed at 1000iu every third day but that is highest i have heard of so far.

[gustavo77]

Unreal. This has been my worst cycle in 10 years. Nothing but fack up's.

So, I guess it's back to my doc and tell him I injected 5000iu hcg?

No offense bro but it pays to do your research before starting...

And there is no need for you to take anymore HCG...you may want to take some Aromasin though to prevent the estrogen rebound from shutting you back down.

[RagingRandy]

The point for me is why do 5000iu when 500iu is enough. I believe the half life is about 36 hours. So a single mega shot a week does not make sense on that basis. The first time I took it my balls had shrunk and were soft. The day after a 1000 shot my balls had firmed up. I followed up with a total of 3 500iu shots at 3 day intervals and was back to normal.

Regarding long term use, it is used for HRT.

[Old-Dog]

I tell ya this;

Those 3 days after I have never felt better in my life.

I was as hard, jacked and strong as if I were on a full cycle.

Plus my sex drive was INSANE.

I am not feeling to rough and my nuts seem to be no bigger or smaller than pre cycle.

Does anyone know of any medical test to see if I damaged my cells?

[big_luse]

^when your done pct and get your bloodwork be sure to get your LH tested aswell as Testosterone.

If your producing an assload of LH and a normal amount of Test that indicative of a pituitary working overtime to stimulate desensitized nuts.

Personally, I highly doubt 1 shot did any damage though bro - just dont make a habit of it.

[gustavo77]

The point for me is why do 5000iu when 500iu is enough. I believe the half life is about 36 hours. So a single mega shot a week does not make sense on that basis. The first time I took it my balls had shrunk and were soft. The day after a 1000 shot my balls had firmed up. I followed up with a total of 3 500iu shots at 3 day intervals and was back to normal.

Regarding long term use, it is used for HRT.

Ya but 500iu may not be enough bro if a guy is shut down hard after 12-16 weeks of gear. I am no doc, so take it for what it's worth but 1500iu is a good dose for 1-2 shots to get things started. I of course use less but occasionally if i had missed a shot or ran out for a short time, would inject 1000iu...that's a safe dose.

[gustavo77]

^when your done pct and get your bloodwork be sure to get your LH tested aswell as Testosterone.

If your producing an assload of LH and a normal amount of Test that indicative of a pituitary working overtime to stimulate desensitized nuts.

Personally, I highly doubt 1 shot did any damage though bro - just dont make a habit of it.

Bump to this...blood work is the key...test, LH, FSH and estrodiol

I do not believe 5000iu taken once would do much if any damage to the cells either. If you took multiple 5000iu shots over time, i would be worried but with what you did, you should be ok...just use less next time.. use it on cycle, from the beginning right up to 4-5 days before you start pct. That way the testes never shut down, they continue to produce test on cycle and recovery will be a lot easier. Plus, you will not need to use questionably high doses of HCG to get things started again.

[St]

Bump to this...blood work is the key...test, LH, FSH and estrodiol

I do not believe 5000iu taken once would do much if any damage to the cells either. If you took multiple 5000iu shots over time, i would be worried but with what you did, you should be ok...just use less next time.. use it on cycle, from the beginning right up to 4-5 days before you start pct. That way the testes never shut down, they continue to produce test on cycle and recovery will be a lot easier. Plus, you will not need to use questionably high doses of HCG to get things started again.



I do 2 shot only at 5000iu.if i'm on a low dose i take 2500iu every 5 days.
Put it this way a close friend was given 5000iu every 3 day for 2 month from a fertility clinic.They put him on Clomid as well i would have to ask him what dose,but i was so shocked that they would give him so much hcg for such a long time.

[gustavo77]

I do 2 shot only at 5000iu.if i'm on a low dose i take 2500iu every 5 days.
Put it this way a close friend was given 5000iu every 3 day for 2 month from a fertility clinic.They put him on Clomid as well i would have to ask him what dose,but i was so shocked that they would give him so much hcg for such a long time.

Wow! His nuts must have been half dead...lol..

[St]

Wow! His nuts must have been half dead...lol..

His wife got knocked up.

[gustavo77]

His wife got knocked up.

No...lol, i meant his nuts must have been dead for them to prescribe him that much HCG. I would certainly hope that he got his girl prego after that much HCG....lol..

[St]

No...lol, i meant his nuts must have been dead for them to prescribe him that much HCG. I would certainly hope that he got his girl prego after that much HCG....lol..


Next time i talk with him i will say hey how big are your ball?
You want to go for a swim with him,then i can see how big his balls are.

[BAM]

Not true...you can take HCG for years and it will not damage the leydig cells of the testes. What damages the cells are the large doses and or doses taken too frequently. Where the limit is on dosages?? Who really knows....5000iu in one shot though could certainly damage some cells. I've heard of HCG being prescribed at 1000iu every third day but that is highest i have heard of so far.

I'm not challenging you on this, but I have read that hcg should be cycled as well during your cycle, 3weeks on hcg, 3-4 weeks off hcg then back on again or damage can be done.

on the other hand, I have also read about taking it in micro doses all cycle long.

I dont know what to believe as there so much contradictory info out there on dosage and frequency that I am hesitant to even use it so I am going to go with the most cautious method.


from http://www.ironlife.com/mag/issue13/crisler.shtml
It is important that no more than 500IU of HCG be administered on any given day. There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that not only is wasteful, doing so has important negative consequences. Higher doses overly stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels, and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. 250IU QD is an effective, and safe, dose. After all, we are merely replacing that which is lost to inhibition.

[bottleneckblooz]

How long is 5000iu good for after it's been mixed and kept in the fridge? Isn't it only good for about a month?

[BAM]

again.. regurgitating what have read

-with bac water 30-60days

-with the sodium chloride that comes with pregnyl, i'm not sure, but I have heard 2 weeks

[gustavo77]

I'm not challenging you on this, but I have read that hcg should be cycled as well during your cycle, 3weeks on hcg, 3-4 weeks off hcg then back on again or damage can be done.

on the other hand, I have also read about taking it in micro doses all cycle long.

I dont know what to believe as there so much contradictory info out there on dosage and frequency that I am hesitant to even use it so I am going to go with the most cautious method.

I am totally with you on keeping the dose og HCG moderate..but what would be the point of using HCG for a few weeks on cycle, then taking a break?? The key to using HCG on cycle is to prevent the leydig cells from shutting down at all. If you use HCG for a few weeks, then stop, then start again, you will be doing more harm than good. The testes will be working fine, then when you cease the HCG, they will start to shut down again. Then you will have to kickstart them again...etc...

[BAM]

Dunno.. What you say makes sense to me.

with that said..


from http://www.steroid.com/HCG.php
As stated above the cycles of HCG should be in the 2 to 3 week range with a least one month off in between, you could stretch your cycle out to four weeks without any major concern if you are using lower doses. One should however take care when using HCG as prolonged use could repress the body´s natural production of gonadotropins permanently, but this is mostly just pure speculation

[gustavo77]

"from http://www.steroid.com/HCG.php
..... but this is mostly just pure speculation"

The above quote says it all...

[Old-Dog]

Just to re-establish, my nuts are good. Libido is on track.

I feel fine. So, for this situation I would do what is suggested next time but, I don't feel any ill effects from 5000iu.

[RagingRandy]

Ya but 500iu may not be enough bro if a guy is shut down hard after 12-16 weeks of gear. I am no doc, so take it for what it's worth but 1500iu is a good dose for 1-2 shots to get things started. I of course use less but occasionally if i had missed a shot or ran out for a short time, would inject 1000iu...that's a safe dose.

Agreed. My point was there is no need to do mega doses if a smaller dose will do the job. More is not always better.

[gustavo77]

Agreed. My point was there is no need to do mega doses if a smaller dose will do the job. More is not always better.

And i agree 110% with that!

[gustavo77]

Just to re-establish, my nuts are good. Libido is on track.

I feel fine. So, for this situation I would do what is suggested next time but, I don't feel any ill effects from 5000iu.

Good to hear..