View Full Version : UGL Sus 250
bottleneckblooz
21-01-2009, 11:22 AM
Has anybody else ever wondered about whether UGL sus 250 is really a blend of 4 testosterones as labeled? It just seems like it would be a whole lot more work to make Sus 250, than let's say Test E 250 or Test cyp 250, but yet most labs don't charge much more for Sus 250 than they do for test E or test Cyp. I've always wondered about this. Not talking about any specific lab, just UGL's in general.
Its always a crap shoot with UGL's who knows what you are really taking but I doubt the good ones would do this.
ergie
21-01-2009, 11:27 AM
I've also wondered about that as well, my guess is that many probably just put 1 fast acting ester and 1 long acting.
What i do know is you have to have a good machine to get it perfect,or you will have different strenght of esters in each vial.
purelife
21-01-2009, 12:18 PM
hmmm makes me wonder about my sust now
I dont even really understand the apeal of sustanon single esters are the way to go also why mix long and short esters? I figure pick long or short and go with it.
theboss
21-01-2009, 12:53 PM
I dont even really understand the apeal of sustanon single esters are the way to go also why mix long and short esters? I figure pick long or short and go with it.
Sust can be alot of fun...when used correctly.....
gustavo77
21-01-2009, 03:48 PM
I wonder if some labs just get the powder already mixed with the correct ester ratio.
Mr Ontario
21-01-2009, 05:27 PM
Thats why I stick to Human grade :)
That's why you stick to a quality lab that are backed by solid people. I have never once doubted whats in the vial from my source.
Big D
21-01-2009, 06:02 PM
Thats why I stick to Human grade :)
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Mr Ontario
21-01-2009, 06:08 PM
cheap ass :)
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icey_boi
21-01-2009, 06:12 PM
I wonder if some labs just get the powder already mixed with the correct ester ratio.
Thats exactly what i was thinking.
It just comes as pre-mixed sust rite from the supplier i would bet....
icey_boi
21-01-2009, 06:17 PM
Not a chance.
Why would you say that? they probably just charge a bit more and thats why we see a bit of a price jump from single esterd test to sust. moneys money
i could be wrong tho... just my 2c
Why would you say that? they probably just charge a bit more and thats why we see a bit of a price jump from single esterd test to sust. moneys money
i could be wrong tho... just my 2c
lol, definately not premixed powders in one baggie, that's rediculous. Why is it rediculous? Well think about it, lab buys kilos of each powder and then they can use that kilo for multiple product. Kilo of decanoate for example, some powder towards there t400, some towards there sust and some towards any other testosterone mix they may have (TNT/TTE). Kilo of prop, some towards there profina, some towards there test prop, and some for there pure test prop etc etc.
All labs are doing is buying 4 types of test rather then one, not really a big deal.
isocap, phenyprop, prop, decanoate all cost around the same gram for gram on lists i've seen.
lol, definately not premixed powders in one baggie, that's rediculous. Why is it rediculous? Well think about it, lab buys kilos of each powder and then they can use that kilo for multiple product. Kilo of decanoate for example, some powder towards there t400, some towards there sust and some towards any other testosterone mix they may have (TNT/TTE). Kilo of prop, some towards there profina, some towards there test prop, and some for there pure test prop etc etc.
All labs are doing is buying 4 types of test rather then one, not really a big deal.
isocap, phenyprop, prop, decanoate all cost around the same gram for gram on lists i've seen.
Very true plus they need different temperature to make each ester.
gustavo77
22-01-2009, 02:34 AM
Shows how much i know about raws and making gear...lol..
neobol
22-01-2009, 07:31 AM
I assume as they brew it they just measure out and add the powders one by one then add the BA and the oil. If you had the proper powders on hand it would be easy. The only exotic powder would be test decanoate or whatever really long ester they are using.. so assume at least it has prop, cyp, and enth.
Guys were looking at this a couple of days ago.. just change step one to be different powders measured out and dumped into a larger beaker or whatever to make a batch.
1. Weigh out 5 grams of powder.
2. Place powder in vial.
3. Add BA to the vial.
4. Heat oil in the oven to help sterilize it, heat to at least 212 degrees F. I usually heat my oil at 275 to be sure, I put the oil in a muffin pan, just fill one of the indentions this is plenty for these experiments. Also heat more oil than you need, as you will not be able to get it all out of the pan.
5. Add oil to the vial, save 2 ml of oil in the syringe for later. Gently shake vial.
bottleneckblooz
22-01-2009, 09:08 AM
5. Add oil to the vial, save 2 ml of oil in the syringe for later. Gently shake vial.
Why? What do you use this for later?
neobol
22-01-2009, 09:55 AM
That oil is used to lube up and celebrate because you're so damn happy that you have a big vial of homebrew. Lol - I don't know bro.. I think it was to add a bit of oil if necessary if the brew crashed.
tarnow
22-01-2009, 09:58 AM
Why? What do you use this for later?
Its used for the filtering through a Whatman filter. Since the filter holds about 2ml you would lose about that much when you push the oil with hormone through it because it gets trapped in there. By pushing the extra 2ml through the filter at the end, you are able to extract that 2ml with the hormone leaving the regular oil in the filter.
bottleneckblooz
22-01-2009, 10:31 AM
Its used for the filtering through a Whatman filter. Since the filter holds about 2ml you would lose about that much when you push the oil with hormone through it because it gets trapped in there. By pushing the extra 2ml through the filter at the end, you are able to extract that 2ml with the hormone leaving the regular oil in the filter.
But wouldn't you filter it before putting it in the vial? I thought about it a bit more and I figured it is probably because the oil expands when it is heated. So 10ml of heated oil will be less than 10ml once it cools down. So then you add the extra oil to give the proper amount. I'm just guessing though.
tarnow
22-01-2009, 10:37 AM
But wouldn't you filter it before putting it in the vial? I thought about it a bit more and I figured it is probably because the oil expands when it is heated. So 10ml of heated oil will be less than 10ml once it cools down. So then you add the extra oil to give the proper amount. I'm just guessing though.
It doesn't matter when you filter it. The point is that when you do filter it, 2ml of the oil with the hormone remains in the Whatman filter and you have to use the 2ml of regular oil to extract it. Here's a picture to help you understand.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5084/138578850qg3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
neobol
22-01-2009, 10:42 AM
That picture is one of the reasons I love this board.
bottleneckblooz
22-01-2009, 10:44 AM
It doesn't matter when you filter it. The point is that when you do filter it, 2ml of the oil with the hormone remains in the Whatman filter and you have to use the 2ml of regular oil to extract it. Here's a picture to help you understand.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5084/138578850qg3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Cool!
icey_boi
22-01-2009, 01:30 PM
Shows how much i know about raws and making gear...lol..
ya same for me i guess too lol
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