Orals at the end of a cycle?

[kloan]

Are there any orals that are good for the end of a cycle? Such as, the last 25-30 days...

It's been 7 weeks into my Test E cycle, and I'm just now starting to see/feel changes in strength and size. I have to order another bottle of Test to get a full 12 weeks, so I thought while I'm at it, why not order an oral? :D

I was thinking either Tbol or Winny.

EDIT: tbol is too expensive... so I'm lookin at winny now. I'll be starting HCG at week 11, so I was thinking maybe the increase of estro that it causes will balance out the anti-e properties of winny?

[St]

Ya it will be okay to add winny near the end of your cycle.

[JonnyO]

Theres a few things and it depends on how you run your PCT and for how long and if you plan to bridge or not. But Proviron could be used and in conjunction with your PCT, This will keep cortisol low and lower SHBG, and possibly allow you to have greater benefit on lower doses your next cycle or better with the same.

[kloan]

I have Nolva for PCT. Is this ok on it's own if I were to add Proviron? I also have Arimidex that I was taking during the cycle, but stopped at week 5. However, I've read the two don't go well together.

This is a bulking cycle, so I'm looking for something that can provide additional strength, and either a harder look or size would be great as well.

Someone on another forum suggested Halo, but I don't think I want to go that route. It's also a fair amount more expensive than the other stuff.

If I get my order, I'll at least be going 12 weeks, maybe to 14. PCT will be 2 weeks after the last shot, and I was planning on doing Nolva 40/40/20/20.

I was also planning on using HCG, but someone said that since it's my first cycle it's not necessary... I'm wondering if that's the case.


EDIT: Which should I go with, Schering or Axio?

EDIT #2: Went with Schering Proviron. After reading the profile on it, it sounded like the best oral at this time for me. I like the fact that Proviron is less toxic on the liver, and can still provide help in achieving a harder look in the muscles. The price was also right. :)

Hopefully, all goes well and I get it by the time I run out of what I have now...


Thanks for the suggestion JohnnyO!

[L3]

the proviron will make your muscles feel hard, but wont make them LOOK hard, unless you have very low bf, and even then maybe not

if you wanna look hard at the end of the cycle im with tony on the winny

[Redz]

Winny is a good choice to close out a cycle. I love the stuff but can be hard on the hair line for some people. Axio is good to go.

[JonnyO]

I have Nolva for PCT. Is this ok on it's own if I were to add Proviron? I also have Arimidex that I was taking during the cycle, but stopped at week 5. However, I've read the two don't go well together.

This is a bulking cycle, so I'm looking for something that can provide additional strength, and either a harder look or size would be great as well.

Someone on another forum suggested Halo, but I don't think I want to go that route. It's also a fair amount more expensive than the other stuff.

If I get my order, I'll at least be going 12 weeks, maybe to 14. PCT will be 2 weeks after the last shot, and I was planning on doing Nolva 40/40/20/20.

I was also planning on using HCG, but someone said that since it's my first cycle it's not necessary... I'm wondering if that's the case.


EDIT: Which should I go with, Schering or Axio?

EDIT #2: Went with Schering Proviron. After reading the profile on it, it sounded like the best oral at this time for me. I like the fact that Proviron is less toxic on the liver, and can still provide help in achieving a harder look in the muscles. The price was also right. :)

Hopefully, all goes well and I get it by the time I run out of what I have now...


Thanks for the suggestion JohnnyO!

The Scherring Proviron is great! Go with 50mg a day.

Try to get some HCG for PCT, it will help greatly whether it's your first cycle or not your testes still are shut down. 5000iu shoud be sufficient with the Nolva and proviron.

[kloan]

I ended up changing my order at the last minute and went with Winny (40x 50mg).

I liked the profile of Proviron, but I don't think I would be happy with the results with my current bf %.

I'm definitely going to run it next cycle though, since I'm pretty sure it's going to be a cutting cycle. The short time I was on the keto diet, I lost too much stregnth/muscle. So I want some help next time to make sure I don't lose anything but fat.

As far as HCG goes, I already have some on hand. I'm planning on running it the last two weeks of my cycle up until PCT.

[Solo59]

The Scherring Proviron is great! Go with 50mg a day.

Try to get some HCG for PCT, it will help greatly whether it's your first cycle or not your testes still are shut down. 5000iu shoud be sufficient with the Nolva and proviron.

To my understanding, it's best to run the HCG throughout your cycle but also after your last inject but before you begin the Nolva and/or Clomid protocol. That's because the Nolva and/or Clomid stimulate the pituitary and thalamus part of the HPT axis to signal the testes to begin doing their thing. HCG stimulates the testes (the "T" part of the HPTA) but in doing so keeps the "H" & "P" parts of the HPTA shut down.

Proviron can be run anytime, IMHO, if not in excessive doses. Many like to do short acting orals (Dbol, Var, Winnies, or even Test prop injects)sd while long-ester AAS leave their system (maybe the same time as the post-final-inject HCG), but I think that does not allow the long ester AAS to do their natural taper.

Of course, if you're so-called "cruising" or "bridging", none of this matters.

Solo

[JonnyO]

PCT I find to be an individual thing. I'm not a fan of running it during a cycle.
I prefer it at the end.