Igf1-lr3

[canadianmuscle0803]

im considering adding some IGF into my cycle, I would like some of your opinions on how to run it for the best results possible and what I should eat/consume and when..

im already running GH in the morning.. I ran IGF a long time ago and I got great results as far as pumps and vascularity were concerned, any opinions would be great and much appreciated.. thank you

[JonnyO]

Dont waste your money. Your already on high dose gh and a myriad of other items, this here wont do much for you at this point. IMHO.

[waderow]

diet stays the same
take the IGF and pin it IM with slin pin bi-laterally in muscles worked. Long R3 is systemic....apparently, but I still think there is local growth.
Dosage S/B 100mcg

PWO means immediate PWO. Like within 15 min. I used to bring my pins to the gym and blast in the shitter afterwards.

So for instance:

i would do chest day, and afterwards pin in each pec.

Shoulder day, pin in each delt

back day, pin in lats (very tricky)

Arm day, pin in each bi, or each tri. Alternate ususlaly, but bis lag so I hit them all the time

Leg day...quads


I would take a break after 4 mg or so for a few weeks.



NOTE: It will make you more sensitive to insulin. So watch out the first few insulin shots.

[canadianmuscle0803]

Dont waste your money. Your already on high dose gh and a myriad of other items, this here wont do much for you at this point. IMHO.

Ya i kinda thought so, but i still might give it a try..

[canadianmuscle0803]

diet stays the same
take the IGF and pin it IM with slin pin bi-laterally in muscles worked. Long R3 is systemic....apparently, but I still think there is local growth.
Dosage S/B 100mcg

PWO means immediate PWO. Like within 15 min. I used to bring my pins to the gym and blast in the shitter afterwards.

So for instance:

i would do chest day, and afterwards pin in each pec.

Shoulder day, pin in each delt

back day, pin in lats (very tricky)

Arm day, pin in each bi, or each tri. Alternate ususlaly, but bis lag so I hit them all the time

Leg day...quads


I would take a break after 4 mg or so for a few weeks.



NOTE: It will make you more sensitive to insulin. So watch out the first few insulin shots.

so your saying do all 100mcgs PWO with my protein/dextrose shake?

[waderow]

yup. pin, then get in your cabs. then protein.

[gustavo77]

diet stays the same
take the IGF and pin it IM with slin pin bi-laterally in muscles worked. Long R3 is systemic....apparently, but I still think there is local growth.
Dosage S/B 100mcg

PWO means immediate PWO. Like within 15 min. I used to bring my pins to the gym and blast in the shitter afterwards.

So for instance:

i would do chest day, and afterwards pin in each pec.

Shoulder day, pin in each delt

back day, pin in lats (very tricky)

Arm day, pin in each bi, or each tri. Alternate ususlaly, but bis lag so I hit them all the time

Leg day...quads


I would take a break after 4 mg or so for a few weeks.



NOTE: It will make you more sensitive to insulin. So watch out the first few insulin shots.

Bump to this...good info Wandy... the only difference for me is i do 80mcg in the smaller muscles trained and 100mcg in the larger (chest, back and legs only).

[canadianmuscle0803]

Bump to this...good info Wandy... the only difference for me is i do 80mcg in the smaller muscles trained and 100mcg in the larger (chest, back and legs only).

how do you like IGF Gus?

[JonnyO]

Yea I'd liek to hear what gains you guys have made from IGF thats made it worth while.

[gustavo77]

how do you like IGF Gus?

I like it...

The main things i noticed is it makes my muscles significantly fuller, more vascular...especially right after i wake up in the morning. Very noticeable for me. I take it that this is from IGF-1's ability to transport glucose into the muscle at an extremely high rate. I take in a lot of carbs PWO in the evening, so it may be shuttling these carbs into muscle at a higher rate.

As far as real muscle gains, all i can say and this is just my personal experience, my arms gained a singnificant amount months after i ran 2mg of IGF. 1mg back to back. I have always had problems with arm growth, even on gear, they are extremely stubborn... I swear i gained close to an inch on my arms within 6 months of running IGF-1lr3.

Mabe i finally blasted through a plateau or something with my training and my arms responded but it's hard for me to believe that it is a coincidence that after 8 years of training my arms hard, all of a sudden they had some significant growth only after running the IGF-1R3.

I guess the jury is still out on igf-1lr3's ability to cause hyperplasma but i may just run it again. If my arms grow to 19.5-20" in one year, i'll know definitively that it was not placebo...lol...

[waderow]

the science is solid. The majority of people claiming "bunk" I think boils down to low dosage, or degraded peptide. It is temperature sensitive, as well as susceptible to degradation when diluted with the wrong solvent.

AA is a must. NaCl as a sting reducer should be in contact with the peptide for as short of time as possible.

[Flex15]

your suppose to notice good size gains months after taking it because of the new muscle cells that it creates and takes a while to develop these new muscle cells hence why you see gains months down the road. iv also been reading that lower dosages like 50mcg to 60mcg is the way to go so your igf is absorbed mainly into your pin'd muscle and doesnt float around to lots of other places that you dont want growing like your intestines

[gustavo77]

your suppose to notice good size gains months after taking it because of the new muscle cells that it creates and takes a while to develop these new muscle cells hence why you see gains months down the road. iv also been reading that lower dosages like 50mcg to 60mcg is the way to go so your igf is absorbed mainly into your pin'd muscle and doesnt float around to lots of other places that you dont want growing like your intestines

Yes, this is referred to as hyperplasma or the splitting and creation of new muscle cells.. the jury is still out on if this actually occurs with LR3, due to the fact that it's effects are totally systemic and not localized. With regular IGF-1 (not LR3) there is strong evidence to suggest that hyperplasma does occur. There is also evidence that hyperplasma occurs when injecting GH IM PWO.

Yes, 50-60mcg is a good dose but 80-100mcg is much better...hahahaha...

[Flex15]

ahhaah im going to try it next cycle with gh and slin....so im trying to figure out dosages

[waderow]

Gus. IM HGH in worked muscles? sounds interesting.....

know anyone who has tried?

[gustavo77]

Gus. IM HGH in worked muscles? sounds interesting.....

know anyone who has tried?

Many bro, this is standard practice for those do GH or GH/slin, high dose, PWO.

My best gains were 8-10iu of GH and 8-10iu of slin PWO, four times per week...of course this was chinese generic so it was not as costly as one would think.

[gustavo77]

ahhaah im going to try it next cycle with gh and slin....so im trying to figure out dosages

There are different protocols for GH/slin/IGF-1LR3. Some people say not to use slin and IGF-1 together, due to IGF-1's insulin type effects coupled with slin. What most recommend is: 4 weeks slin/GH, 4 weeks of GH/IGF-1, repeat. In this protocol i would do the GH/slin PWO, dose split bi-laterally. When you switch over to GH/IGf-1, i would do the GH sub-q in the morning or 3-4 hours before training (GH takes 2-3 hours to convert to igf-1 when injected sub-q), that way IGF-1 levels will be elevated during training. Then do the IGF-1LR3, dose split bi-laterally, into the muscles trained PWO.

What I would like to try next, when i have the cash, is to run IGF-1LR3 1-2 hours pre-workout and then GH/slin PWO...

For your first run of Igf-1 a good place to start out as far as dosage would be 50mcg split bi-laterally for smaller bodyparts (arms/delts/calves) and 60mcg split for larger bodyparts (chest/quads/hams/back).

[Flex15]

yah i think thats what im going to do alternate between the igf and the slin 4 weeks of one then 4 weeks of the other and split my gh dose 2x daily in the morning and pwo

what kind of dose would you recomend for the gh.....and you say for the second dose pwo to run it IM and would you run your first shot in the morning sub-q?

[gustavo77]

yah i think thats what im going to do alternate between the igf and the slin 4 weeks of one then 4 weeks of the other and split my gh dose 2x daily in the morning and pwo

what kind of dose would you recomend for the gh.....and you say for the second dose pwo to run it IM and would you run your first shot in the morning sub-q?

I think you misunderstood bro. When i do IGF-1 and GH, i do the GH in the morning sub-q (or even better would be 3-4 hours pre-workout) and the IGF-1 PWO, IM. That's it...GH is done only once per day. No need to do it any more frequently when you are using the IGF-1...IGF-1 levels will be elevated enough... Oh and IGF-1 on training days only..off days GH is still done sub-q first thing in the morning or you can take 1-2 days off per week to save cash. ED is the best way to go though.

Well the dose would depend on if you are already on GH. If not, you need to start at 1-2iu per day and work your way up slowly. I think 4-5iu is a good dose done in a cycle with IGF-1. PWO with slin, 5-10iu of GH PWO on training days only.

[Flex15]

oh ok i get it now iv just been reading lots to spilt your gh dose into 2x daily but your way seems better and less pinning to which makes things easier.

and so once im not taking IGF-1 and starting my slin then switch to my GH PWO and do you run the GH IM or still sub-q with the slin?

[gustavo77]

oh ok i get it now iv just been reading lots to spilt your gh dose into 2x daily but your way seems better and less pinning to which makes things easier.

and so once im not taking IGF-1 and starting my slin then switch to my GH PWO and do you run the GH IM or still sub-q with the slin?

Ya, splitting your GH dose up is not a bad idea at all but you are going to be using IGF-1 also...so you will be getting the benefits of elevated IGF-1 from the GH AND the IGF-1, so no need to run the GH 2x per day.

With the Slin you pin the GH IM, bi-laterally, PWO into the muscles trained. So split the GH dose between the left and right of whatever muscle you trained.

[Flex15]

sounds good thanks for the help and advice!!! im looking forward to starting it have a while to wait before i start though since im just finishing up a cycle now.

[gustavo77]

sounds good thanks for the help and advice!!! im looking forward to starting it have a while to wait before i start though since im just finishing up a cycle now.

No prob bro....keep us posted on how it goes. I also like hearing feedback on IGF-1lr3 cause there are really so many unanswered questions about it.

[Flex15]

yeah i hear ya there