injecting winstrol

[flapjack]

I am about to start injecting Winny, 50mg ED, and to keep my sites as fresh as possible, I want to include biceps. I have heard that winny is not the most comfortable injects, but has anyone here hit the biceps. What were your experiences.

Thanks in advance,

Flapjack

[waderow]

recently sub q injections are becoming more popular.

if i was to do an injectable winny, I would do it sub q.

1. Should you have infection, it will be less severe
2. countless injection sites
3. no pain

[flapjack]

interesting. I thought it had to be i.m.

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

I would stick with i.m.
Ive done sub-q before its just not deep enough IMO. Also injecting biceps are not to bad as long as you dont hit a nerve. My favorite spots to inject were shoulders and legs.
Good Luck!

[Redz]

Winstrol doesnt hurt to inject it hurts after the injections. I will never inject it again it made me almost useless.

[waderow]

sub q myths are fast becoming just that...myths.
Blood level tests have proven sub q to be as valid as IM. Slower absorption perhaps, but you get the drug nonetheless

[waderow]

Subcutaneous Administration of Testosterone
These two articles shows that subc injections of AAS are quite viable alternative for IM injections.

Quote:
STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED
WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE
INJECTIONS

M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang
Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University,
Hamilton, ON, Canada

Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous
(SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however, its physiological effects are unclear.

We therefore investigated the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using
SC therapy.

Patients and methods: Between May and September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving 10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism. Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for 41 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with
testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL 200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks. Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration is not officially approved by Health Canada. T levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection in week 6 and 8. At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels were measured however; the week 12 data are still being collected. Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit 0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l (p¼0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T (25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1 (27.46+12.91 nmol/l).

Patients tolerated this therapy with no adverse effects.

Conclusions: A once-week SC injection of 50–100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further evaluation.


Quote:
Saudi Med J. 2006 Dec;27(12):1843-6

Subcutaneous administration of testosterone. A pilot study report.

Al-Futaisi AM, Al-Zakwani IS, Almahrezi AM, Morris D.
Department of Medicine, College of Medicine & Health Sciences, PO Box 35, Postal Code 123, Al-Khod, Sultanate of Oman. Tel. +968 99475401. Tel/Fax. +968 24413419. E-mail: alfutaisi@squ.edu.om.

OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of low doses of subcutaneous testosterone in hypogonadal men since the intramuscular route, which is the most widely used form of testosterone replacement therapy, is inconvenient to many patients.

METHODS: All men with primary and secondary hypogonadism attending the reproductive endocrine clinic at Royal Victoria Hospital, Monteral, Quebec, Canada, were invited to participate in the study.

Subjects were enrolled from January 2002 till December 2002. Patients were asked to self-administer weekly low doses of testosterone enanthate using 0.5 ml insulin syringe. RESULTS: A total of 22 patients were enrolled in the study. The mean trough was 14.48 +/- 3.14 nmol/L and peak total testosterone was 21.65 +/- 7.32 nmol/L. For the free testosterone the average trough was 59.94 +/- 20.60 pmol/L and the peak was 85.17 +/- 32.88 pmol/L. All of the patients delivered testosterone with ease and no local reactions were reported.

CONCLUSION: Therapy with weekly subcutaneous testosterone produced serum levels that were within the normal range in 100% of patients for both peak and trough levels. This is the first report, which demonstrated the efficacy of delivering weekly testosterone using this cheap, safe, and less painful subcutaneous route.

[ironwill]

Winny in biceps works well...I used to hear all the time winny or prop were the bomb for site injections and supposed growth, so i did it in bis and tris exclusively, i dont know if they grew better, but it was painless for the most part...

[Stonewald Rockwater]

recently sub q injections are becoming more popular.

if i was to do an injectable winny, I would do it sub q.

1. Should you have infection, it will be less severe
2. countless injection sites
3. no pain

No pain my ass! how about YOU try it and let us know how it works. lol

[waderow]

i dont have any winny, but i have some tesp prop 200 i will be doing 1/2 cc sub q tomorrow

i will let you know

[icey_boi]

Winny in biceps works well...I used to hear all the time winny or prop were the bomb for site injections and supposed growth, so i did it in bis and tris exclusively, i dont know if they grew better, but it was painless for the most part...

prop wont give you site groth bro. only ester free gear will...

[ironwill]

prop wont give you site groth bro. only ester free gear will...
hence why i said used to....not presently believe....
the good ol days, ......sometimes ignorance was bliss, lolol...

[flapjack]

I have done injects in my bi's before with Sust and they were painless. I could hardly feel the pin going in, I was just curious about the pain after injecting winny (and lumps).

I definately appreciate the info Waderow (really), but at this time I'm going to stick to i.m. because it's what I've done before and feel is best for me. I have a friend that mentioned doing winny sub q. and i thought he was on crack...guess I was wrong.

[waderow]

no prob bro.
sub q is really catching on it seems. In years to come, I wouldn't be surprised to see half of juicers employing at least some of their gear sub q....if not more.

You will have pain after the IM injection in your bicep for sure. Thats a given.

[ironwill]

I have done injects in my bi's before with Sust and they were painless. I could hardly feel the pin going in, I was just curious about the pain after injecting winny (and lumps).

I definately appreciate the info Waderow (really), but at this time I'm going to stick to i.m. because it's what I've done before and feel is best for me. I have a friend that mentioned doing winny sub q. and i thought he was on crack...guess I was wrong.
not to go against Waderow because everyone is different....But i didnt feel but a tiny bit of stiffness after, like maybe a small workout, not a full blaster....And no lumps at all when delivred with a 1-1.5 incher x 25 guage buried all the way...
i have 19.75-20.5 inch bis (depending on weight) im not sure if that makes a difference,...
At one time many moons ago i was throwing 3 ccs of testprop 100 in my bis, then 3 days later the other one and repeat, never ever got sore, couldnt even feel the needle breaking the skin..

[flapjack]

no prob bro.
sub q is really catching on it seems. In years to come, I wouldn't be surprised to see half of juicers employing at least some of their gear sub q....if not more.

You will have pain after the IM injection in your bicep for sure. Thats a given.

See some say yes, and some say no.

Are we talking "holy ****!!! i can't move my arms" pain?

Or are we talking "hmmm, my arms are stiff and tender, but I can still do my workouts" pain?

I've had stiffness and some slight pain in my quads from Sust before, but it wasn't horrible. I did have one that felt like a charlie horse for a few days mind you.

[ironwill]

read above or ignore me....thats ok.....lol

[flapjack]

ya, I posted that before I read your post...duh!

[ironwill]

ah cool, i thought maybe you just wanted alone time....lolol...jk bro..

[Kilburn]

ive read like 4 stories now where people have gotten abcesses from injectable winny. coincidence? i wouldnt risk it. why not just take it orally? im sure u could get away with 100mg orally ED if you really wanted to.

[Mr Ontario]

winny for bicepts here as well.

[waderow]

yeah, I wont disagree with ironwill either. Everyone is different. 21" fricken arms probably dont hurt the situation LOL

You wont know until you try, and anythign is possible. no pain. slight pain. sweating all night not moving your arm pain is probably not going to happen.

[nisser]

ive read like 4 stories now where people have gotten abcesses from injectable winny. coincidence? i wouldnt risk it. why not just take it orally? im sure u could get away with 100mg orally ED if you really wanted to.

Yup. A lot of abscess stories seem to be with winny. Just take it orally, its less the hassle.

[toynut]

This is my routine

deca / test 2x a week , left quad then right

but for final weeks i like leaning off the deca and adding in winstrol

i go for delts, pecs et bi's

only time i had problems was with S.A prop 200 in a bi
arm turn red all the way down past my elbow, hurt like a Mofo!!!
thank God for Advil,

But never had any problems with Winny..

Never experimented with sub-q, sounds interesting would be willing to try it out, would make life a little bit easier

[Mr Ontario]

Actually same here..i think it's because it's water based....then you get the was going to say vets but it's just not vets, some newbies who want to mix it with oil base and yes I know there allot of people who do it..but they shouldn't and I will stick to that.


Yup. A lot of abscess stories seem to be with winny. Just take it orally, its less the hassle.

[ironwill]

yeah but can you drink winny.lolol...??

[flapjack]

yeah but can you drink winny....??

apparenty, but you don't absorb as much of it.

the only way I'll know is to try it. I will keep this thread updated for those who are interested.

[waderow]

lol yeah, just drink it

[masonf24]

I joined just because of this thread. I completed a cycle of winstrol and had all of the side effects that your talking about. i would rotate from shooting into one glute to the other. it started off being so painful it took everything i had to walk and then killed me to sit. I also experienced a fever at the second week so i stop taking it for one week. i did notice that when i switched to a larger needle it helped and be sure to shake the crap out of it before you inject!!!! i just got a new cycle today so it obviously wasn't bad enough to keep me from coming back. just inject it and you get use to the pain by the third week! i only injected three times per week so i don't know how it is for every day use. i also had huge welps that were warm and red and eventually all went away.. just thought i would tell you my experience and i will stay posted to discuss my new cycle. sorry for the long post!!!!!

[flapjack]

I joined just because of this thread. I completed a cycle of winstrol and had all of the side effects that your talking about. i would rotate from shooting into one glute to the other. it started off being so painful it took everything i had to walk and then killed me to sit. I also experienced a fever at the second week so i stop taking it for one week. i did notice that when i switched to a larger needle it helped and be sure to shake the crap out of it before you inject!!!! i just got a new cycle today so it obviously wasn't bad enough to keep me from coming back. just inject it and you get use to the pain by the third week! i only injected three times per week so i don't know how it is for every day use. i also had huge welps that were warm and red and eventually all went away.. just thought i would tell you my experience and i will stay posted to discuss my new cycle. sorry for the long post!!!!!


Just curious, what brand were/are you using?

[Kilburn]

I joined just because of this thread. I completed a cycle of winstrol and had all of the side effects that your talking about. i would rotate from shooting into one glute to the other. it started off being so painful it took everything i had to walk and then killed me to sit. I also experienced a fever at the second week so i stop taking it for one week. i did notice that when i switched to a larger needle it helped and be sure to shake the crap out of it before you inject!!!! i just got a new cycle today so it obviously wasn't bad enough to keep me from coming back. just inject it and you get use to the pain by the third week! i only injected three times per week so i don't know how it is for every day use. i also had huge welps that were warm and red and eventually all went away.. just thought i would tell you my experience and i will stay posted to discuss my new cycle. sorry for the long post!!!!!

that sounds pretty normal tbh lol. same thing happened to me when i was using suspension.

[masonf24]

That is the first time i used anything so i don't know what you mean by "brand" but the bottle says Ghost Water Stanozol Suspension 50mg/ml.

[Mr Ontario]

Probably just water in then :(


That is the first time i used anything so i don't know what you mean by "brand" but the bottle says Ghost Water Stanozol Suspension 50mg/ml.

[masonf24]

I had my first injection about 12 hours ago and there is no soreness or any swelling so it seems like this cycle might be better. i did notice that the liquid look a bit more uniform like the last one you could see little crystals everywhere and if you let it just set for two days it completely seperates with crystals on bottom and liquid on top.

[Born2Juice4Ever]

Probably just water in then :(


damn :D :D just dropped my coffee on the ground hehehehehehhe




B2J

[drdnj]

Actually same here..i think it's because it's water based....then you get the was going to say vets but it's just not vets, some newbies who want to mix it with oil base and yes I know there allot of people who do it..but they shouldn't and I will stick to that.

Mr. O, have you been drinking too much winny? Jezuz that was a hard post to follow.

LOL

[flapjack]

As it turns out, I have decided against the winny, just gonna get rid of the 4 bottles I have and go a different route. Susta en EQ for now, and if I feel in the mood, I'll throw in some winny tabs...I just like the way i feel on Winny.

[ironwill]

IMO, i would just stick to drinking the winny the last 4 weeks or so prior to contest...Good dht drug to dry you out and keep you vascular....I would just stick to test and eq, or deca or something, only use winny pre contest, or pre wanting to look real good and lean for some reason, beach, holiday etc..:greet

[flapjack]

not a bad idea...it's IP winny...so if I'm not injecting it, should it be a concern?