Argument Against p90X!!!

[WORLD]

My friend won't stop trying to convince the world that p90X is the greatest thing to be invented.

He started as a guy who had not lifted a weight before and had terrible eating habits, and ended up losing about 25lbs after he started exercising and eating better.

He keeps arguing that this program can get anyone "ripped" and that it is superior to any strength training or bodybuilding program.

I don't personally know much about this program, but I have seen some informercials on tv and it looks stupid.

My argument: It looks like a good program for someone that is looking to get active. Depending on your goals, it could be a good way to get into shape. BUT it cannot be used to build muscle to the degree that we here like to see.

I need to shut him up.

[Drummer]

I hate to say it, but the program works. I have not used it, but know people what have, and they say its very challenging and gives results. I am skeptical of any informercial, however im told that it works.

~DB~

[spiderman7]

I have a friend that is doing it right now. He says its working in as far as dropping some fat.

[Boulderer77]

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[Seth]

When you go from poor eating habits and being sedentary to moving a little and eating better, the only outcome is weight loss. Yes, the program works, as much as most programs you could come up with, except this one he had to pay for

[WORLD]

I falied to mention that he was obese, but I think you all got the point. I agree, those who go from couch potato to actully changing their habits and moving around/eating better will see results. But, how far will the results go? For a guy looking to go from obese to average, yes, I think this could work. But can he actually dare to compare this program to a bodybuilding focuses program??

Drummer, what are the goals of the person who says they see results?

[#8]

I think the program is useful for people with little to no knowledge of exercise technique / variation and or anyone who is too inactive to lose weight. As already mentioned anyone who enters such program after a sedentary lifestyle will see results quickly if they follow the training and nutrition recommendations. These same people would also see results following any such strict diet and exercise regimen. As for the guys on this board, I dont see it being very effective at building new muscle or even maintaining built muscle through aerobic style calisthetic exercise. I would recommend it for a novice, but never to a vet.

[physique]

if u look at the program and diet in this thing, its almost a exact replica of body for life!!!

its a workout that is done with little rest, thus making your workout more cardio style. it isnt for putting on mass, but will work for trhe people that need everything written out for them.

too each there own!

[O-Train]

I've had a few people approach me in the gym about this program. I sat through the infomercial once and I think I remember it being a fairly good system. Although it's not comparable to a good strength or bodybuilding program. Sounds like your friend is really excited about it. I'd try and humour him. If he was obese he's probably starting to get more self esteem so of course he's going to be telling anyone and everyone about it.

A starvation diet can get someone ripped. I doubt anyone would get very big from p90x. Although if he ever says "I gave all my fat clothes to my fat friends" it is your responsibility, as a friend, to punch him in the face.

[marino]

A guy at work who was not very active bought it and gave it a try. It definitely helped him but I think any program would have. So a bunch of us got copies burnt and gave it a try. It was fast paced and high reps. I definitely got leaner. Some of the exercises were different and a nice change of pace. However I still have the discs here at home and it is like body for life, a great foundation for those that need direction. Nothing wrong with more people investing in themselves health.

[Drummer]

I've had a few people approach me in the gym about this program. I sat through the infomercial once and I think I remember it being a fairly good system. Although it's not comparable to a good strength or bodybuilding program. Sounds like your friend is really excited about it. I'd try and humour him. If he was obese he's probably starting to get more self esteem so of course he's going to be telling anyone and everyone about it.

A starvation diet can get someone ripped. I doubt anyone would get very big from p90x. Although if he ever says "I gave all my fat clothes to my fat friends" it is your responsibility, as a friend, to punch him in the face.

^^ for sure... if it gets them hooked, its priceless... let him learn more later once he sees the benefits.

~DB~

[pinhead]

trying it soon

[warlock]

I need to shut him up.

Agree with him and the conversation will end up right there, why do you care so much anyways?

[Scaffer]

found it cheap on ebay, as a PT,i feel i need to test those trend cause more people want to get fit but,they dont want to leave home!

[CanadianIron]

My brother did 2 phases of the P90X, so a total of 180 days. He lost tons of weight, but when he was done, he looked like a ripped highschool kid... you wont put on any noteable amount of muscle mass doing this, no matter what anyone tells you... you arent going to see someone do the p90x and walk into the gym and bench 225 their first time on a bench, they'll still struggle to put up 135lbs... its glorified cardio.

[Sean Summers]

Imagine that...STICK TO a diet and exercise program and you get into shape. What an amazing concept - wish I had thought of that one. I'm sure someone will post up a torrent. I checked it out off the newsgroups and quickly deleted it.
SS

[steve_d]

I had an argument about p90x on a non-fitness forum. I was getting cornered in by a bunch of idiots talking how I was just a "meat head" who knows nothing and how p90x is the best thing ever invented.

You will never win an argument against p90x users. It is very cult like, and 90% of the users would never even listen to a "bodybuilders" rationale.

p90x is exactly what canadianiron said, glorified cardio. Cardio is great for losing fat/weight. Everyone knows that. And even better is MOST people who get the bug to try something like p90x, they also start eating well. At least its a start in the right direction for most people. I have nothing against p90x and I encourage it for most people starting something. But for 99% of the people on a board like this, it would be a step back towards your goals.

[R-Money]

bros, the key is muscle confusion

[ELCANADA]

I do the ab routine (ab ripper X) once in a while..its actually not to bad.

The rest of the program is as CanadianIron put it "glorified cardio".

Tony Horton also bugs the shit out of me on the vids.

BRING IT


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[BIGABOY]

I know couple guys that have used the whole program and ya it works but there small and not strong at all

[tex]

good for fat ****s and soccer moms with fat asses......

[JacktheThriller]

its appeals to science for sure, its a total training system, diet, cardio, resistance training, r u goin to get huge doing it, NO, but u will get lean and greatly improve ur next performance in the father son softball game

[cog]

For people even close to the age of Tony Horton it looks like overtraining.

[bigtavi8]

A former fat friend of mine was all into it doing all that faggy running and jumping around and he lost like 80 pounds. Probobly half muscle tho. He looks like a cancer patient now. What do you expect when you cut 80 lbs in 2-3months.

[Praetorian]

Its basically aerobics on a terrible diet. You will not build an ounce of muscle...probably lose what you do have.
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[champcar99]

good for fat ****s and soccer moms with fat asses......

so true..lol..

[baza]

I've done a few of them. It's a pretty goodwork out.
As others said, of course if you take someone who eats shitty and does nothing, and get them to do anything, they will see results.

It's a pretty hard program. You will see a lot of success stories. But what you won't hear, is how man of them stopped once the 90 days were up, or even earlier.

It's just a 'fad'. If you aren't committed to a lifestyle change, you won't stick with it, whether it's the gym, or that program.

[Matt Rock]

Wow- I'm surprised by the overt negativity toward p90x... How many of the guys trash-talking it have completed or even researched it? It will definitely not get your bench, squat or dead lifts up but you can use as heavy a (free) weight you want for arms, back or shoulders. There is no way soccer moms, fattases and most advanced trainers could get through one workout with the volume of varied grip pullups and chinups required on chest/back and legs/back day.

It will never get you the mass low-rep heavy weight compound movements will stimulate, but I was very impressed by some of the intesity and difficulty of a lot of the routines. It is possible to gain respectable strength and moderate muscle growth on the program and I still use some of the routines to supplement my training every 30 days...

[R-Money]

culty ^

[R-Money]

be honest, how many Slap Chops you got?

[kloan]

Wow- I'm surprised by the overt negativity toward p90x... How many of the guys trash-talking it have completed or even researched it? It will definitely not get your bench, squat or dead lifts up but you can use as heavy a (free) weight you want for arms, back or shoulders. There is no way soccer moms, fattases and most advanced trainers could get through one workout with the volume of varied grip pullups and chinups required on chest/back and legs/back day.

It will never get you the mass low-rep heavy weight compound movements will stimulate, but I was very impressed by some of the intesity and difficulty of a lot of the routines. It is possible to gain respectable strength and moderate muscle growth on the program and I still use some of the routines to supplement my training every 30 days...
No kidding... next thing you know they're gonna be knocking the Bowflex. Bunch of stuck up assholes.






















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[cog]

Wow- I'm surprised by the overt negativity toward p90x... How many of the guys trash-talking it have completed or even researched it? It will definitely not get your bench, squat or dead lifts up but you can use as heavy a (free) weight you want for arms, back or shoulders. There is no way soccer moms, fattases and most advanced trainers could get through one workout with the volume of varied grip pullups and chinups required on chest/back and legs/back day.

It will never get you the mass low-rep heavy weight compound movements will stimulate, but I was very impressed by some of the intesity and difficulty of a lot of the routines. It is possible to gain respectable strength and moderate muscle growth on the program and I still use some of the routines to supplement my training every 30 days...

I could see maybe throwing in one of those workouts now and then.No heavy compound movements,for me especially the squat=disaster.Where did you gain strength?Rock climbers can do chin-ups and dips like crazy but they aren't very big.

[BAM]

I used a modified version of the nutrition plan to cut and it worked nicely for me. Then again, I go for more a fitness look. I get more attentiofrom the ladies now days than I ever did as a meathead. I guess it depends on what your goals are.

[Scaffer]

i think i got ripped off on ebay!! i bought only the dvd this friday and this morning i got an email saying that seller was violating stuff and the item was remove and they were urging NOT TO CLOSE THE DEAL....witch i did friday....here goes 60$

[steve_d]

Wow- I'm surprised by the overt negativity toward p90x... How many of the guys trash-talking it have completed or even researched it? It will definitely not get your bench, squat or dead lifts up but you can use as heavy a (free) weight you want for arms, back or shoulders. There is no way soccer moms, fattases and most advanced trainers could get through one workout with the volume of varied grip pullups and chinups required on chest/back and legs/back day.

It will never get you the mass low-rep heavy weight compound movements will stimulate, but I was very impressed by some of the intesity and difficulty of a lot of the routines. It is possible to gain respectable strength and moderate muscle growth on the program and I still use some of the routines to supplement my training every 30 days...

This is probably the perfect cut and paste example of every argument I had against me. Have I research it, yes! I own the thing (it was a gift, long story). And I don't care who can't get through the workout. Just because a bodybuilder or powerlifter can't get through a p90x workout, does that mean it is a good workout?

I bet you can't keep up with micheal phelps swimming workout either. Or a day on the road with lance armstrong...Neither can I...Maybe I should encorporate that to build up my arms and legs too?

[HoliTheCat]

I'm for anything that is going help us end up with less ****en fatties walking the earth.

[JifeLacket]

I will soon be implementing P90x as a replacement for all my Olympic lifts because of its sheer awesomeness.

[JacktheThriller]

actually i threw out the P90 for the AbRocket the guy on the informecial is jacked!!

[Praetorian]

Wow- I'm surprised by the overt negativity toward p90x... How many of the guys trash-talking it have completed or even researched it? It will definitely not get your bench, squat or dead lifts up but you can use as heavy a (free) weight you want for arms, back or shoulders. There is no way soccer moms, fattases and most advanced trainers could get through one workout with the volume of varied grip pullups and chinups required on chest/back and legs/back day.

It will never get you the mass low-rep heavy weight compound movements will stimulate, but I was very impressed by some of the intesity and difficulty of a lot of the routines. It is possible to gain respectable strength and moderate muscle growth on the program and I still use some of the routines to supplement my training every 30 days...

P90x is a marketing push plain and simple. You would have to have very little knowledge in athletics and strength/weight training to think this program will build an ounce of muscle or strength. What you will get is a training affect...like any athletic program the body will adapt to the added stimulus. The problem lies in the fact the building muscle requires protein/carbs and calories as well as specific type workouts designed (intensity and volume) for hypertrophy. P90x is high volume high reps...basically a circuit training program and a terrible diet (compared to high quality cutting programs for BB).
As some have said..yes you will see results ...mostly because of a very poor lifestyle that has suddenly added P90x. P90x is designed as a weight loss tool and does that for the demographic that it targets...BUT there are much BETTER ways of reaching your goals than P90x...not to mention less expensive.
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[nisser]

I think it's great for what it was designed to be. If it gets the masses interested, then it's a wonderful thing.

It is simple and gets people interested in it and if they can survive the 90 days it requires than that's longer than what the 90% of new year resolutions manage to do.

It's the same reason why I tell every friend that's looking to get into shape to not worry about going to the gym. Focus on the diet first and if they can manage that for several months, include the gym. If you've just worked a full day, gone to the gym and are expected to stick to your diet 7 days a week there ain't a ****ing chance in hell it'll happen.

No one has ever listened to me, and going by what all these people still look like, they've all failed their goals.

[JacktheThriller]

P90x is a marketing push plain and simple. You would have to have very little knowledge in athletics and strength/weight training to think this program will build an ounce of muscle or strength. What you will get is a training affect...like any athletic program the body will adapt to the added stimulus. The problem lies in the fact the building muscle requires protein/carbs and calories as well as specific type workouts designed (intensity and volume) for hypertrophy. P90x is high volume high reps...basically a circuit training program and a terrible diet (compared to high quality cutting programs for BB).
As some have said..yes you will see results ...mostly because of a very poor lifestyle that has suddenly added P90x. P90x is designed as a weight loss tool and does that for the demographic that it targets...BUT there are much BETTER ways of reaching your goals than P90x...not to mention less expensive.
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Lets be honest no body with experience with the net is actually BUYING this