My first cycle, need you advice

[downtime]

Yes,i have read and read and read somemore on it.Did all my research on what i will use as i want a mass gain cycle with not too much fat,for a firts cycle.
Test cyp 500/week 12 weeks
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Now for hcg do i start the 3rd week in(3rd to 12th week) or wait til the last week of test?(11 to 15)???
I was also thinking of adding equipoise,would that be too much my first cycle?If not how much should i use?

Thanks for the help.

[Born2Juice4Ever]

Good stuff there.


I would hold off on EQ for now, because I would personally like to see you maximize your gains with test only...aside from that EQ can also offer a vast side of side effects---
I don't believe you will need to run HCG at all , given the fact that your test dosage is very friendly and the compound as well.---where you will experience shot down, but not as harsh as deca, tren, would.
Should you, for whatever reason still want to run HCG--then I suggest you run it UNTIL 48 hours prior to actual PCT protocol.

IMO: 60/60/40 should suffice. Nolva.
If for whatever reasons you also notice dramatical water gains during your cycle, then run nolva at 20mgs ED throughout.


B2J

[Big D]

^ I have to agree with b2j, great advice.

[Diesel_250]

Looks good, just run the test for the 12 weeks and save the EQ for your 2nd or 3rd blaster. Good luck

[waderow]

sure, looks good and cannot disagree with b2j
however, EQ is a very mild steroid, and does not convert to estrogen.
It will make your joints feel great, stimulate diet, but will also raise RBC. Good and bad on the RBC as BP may increase

how old are you and how long have been lifting? weight? bf%?

[Diesel_250]

sure, looks good and cannot disagree with b2j
however, EQ is a very mild steroid, and does not convert to estrogen.
It will make your joints feel great, stimulate diet, but will also raise RBC. Good and bad on the RBC as BP may increase

how old are you and how long have been lifting? weight? bf%?

I have to agree and disagree. I agree that EQ is mild and is great all around. IMO one should stick to one compound for their first cycle and add compound in future cycles as they gain more experience with AAS

[waderow]

why?
i would never suggest heavy dose, but two compounds isn't rocket science.

The only problem I would have, is that a reliance on multiple compounds might develop. Not a physical, but a mental reliance.

test only is great, do it, but if the dude is older, been lifting a while and is in shape, why waste your time when you could add something mild, that makes a 1+1=4

[xxSCHiSMxx]

I'd keep it simple as possible first cycle. Test only. Just to see what happens, how you feel, gains, sides, etc. Your next cycle, you will have idea how you respond to Test only, add in the EQ, see how you respond to Test/EQ.

[Big D]

I think its nice to run test only for the first cycle, just to see how you'll react to it.

[downtime]

I have been lifting for around 10 years,i have been lifting seriously the last 4 though.Age is 40,my bf is around 12 to 15%,yes i am in great shape( 6 foot 220 pounds.).I will have exact number soon enough.

[Diesel_250]

I'd keep it simple as possible first cycle. Test only. Just to see what happens, how you feel, gains, sides, etc. Your next cycle, you will have idea how you respond to Test only, add in the EQ, see how you respond to Test/EQ.

Well put, that is what I was trying to say

[Born2Juice4Ever]

I think its nice to run test only for the first cycle, just to see how you'll react to it.

I am about to do my first cycle also...

[waderow]

I have been lifting for around 10 years,i have been lifting seriously the last 4 though.Age is 40,my bf is around 12 to 15%,yes i am in great shape( 6 foot 220 pounds.).I will have exact number soon enough.

well, some would agree with me, and lots would disagree. i would say add in the EQ at 400mg/week.

Youre not a kid, and have been lifting a while.

Watch your BP, and go hard man.

The EQ is necessary as far as I am concerned for your joints. 40 is the new 30, but your joints might not have been told that yet.

[Born2Juice4Ever]

well, some would agree with me, and lots would disagree. i would say add in the EQ at 400mg/week.

Youre not a kid, and have been lifting a while.

Watch your BP, and go hard man.

The EQ is necessary as far as I am concerned for your joints. 40 is the new 30, but your joints might not have been told that yet.

My brotha from anotha motha,

I could not agree with you more!! EQ offers a vast and diverse bunch of benefits, but EQ also carries a significant amount of negatives---of course much like any other compound.

Over the years, I have noted data that concludes significant:
-paranoia
-some loss of appetite
-irritable and uncomfortable moods--
-depression
-loss of sleep has been a predominant side effect.

...I can go on and on.
What I personally advise is that a person who is about to enter the world of juice, a person MUST experiment slowly with low enough dosages.
I also strongly advice that friendly compounds get used first and above all.
I have read that many cannot deal with the negatives of EQ---for those who cannot, the feeling is unbearable, and many jump off of it immediately, but the compound DOES take MANY days to clear the system and for those unwanted sides to subside.
I have run very strong and long cycles over the years...I have learned to respect EQ and tren ---I have learned that EQ past 600mgs weekly is NOT a good thing for me.

Baby steps? **** yes!!! Apply this theory to everything that is new. Do not run before you learn how to walk.

As a norm, a person who is about to undergo anabolics administration, should in all senses monitor, use less (NOT MORE). Avoid regular injections, learn how to handle 1 CC of oil, before you experiment with 2CCs or more...learn how to use ONE compound before you start using many.

My thoughts.

B2J

[canadianmuscle0803]

Good stuff there.


I would hold off on EQ for now, because I would personally like to see you maximize your gains with test only...aside from that EQ can also offer a vast side of side effects---
I don't believe you will need to run HCG at all , given the fact that your test dosage is very friendly and the compound as well.---where you will experience shot down, but not as harsh as deca, tren, would.
Should you, for whatever reason still want to run HCG--then I suggest you run it UNTIL 48 hours prior to actual PCT protocol.

IMO: 60/60/40 should suffice. Nolva.
If for whatever reasons you also notice dramatical water gains during your cycle, then run nolva at 20mgs ED throughout.


B2J

x2 good advice.

[waderow]

for me, EQ is butter. A breeze.

perhaps then nandrolone would be better, but at age 40, I would be looking for a compound that affects collagen synthesis and synovial fluid.

a lot of guys comment on anxiety etc from eq, so I will concede to that. I have never had it, but thats just me.

Do you guys have the same apprehension to deca?

[Diesel_250]

I agree I love test + EQ. Fire up the EQ, have fun and enjoy the gains

[canadianmuscle0803]

i love the results EQ gives me, but i cant deal with the constant anxiety i get on it.. I know Gustavo has this issue as well.. anyone else?

[Diesel_250]

I never really noticed but I was was running a fairly low dose (500/wk) love the strength gains I made with it.

[Led Hed]

I've only seen positive effects from EQ . . . no anxiety, insomnia, etc. My skin has been slightly more oily with the EQ but nothing I can't deal with to see the gains that I am.

[St]

for me, EQ is butter. A breeze.

perhaps then nandrolone would be better, but at age 40, I would be looking for a compound that affects collagen synthesis and synovial fluid.

a lot of guys comment on anxiety etc from eq, so I will concede to that. I have never had it, but thats just me.

Do you guys have the same apprehension to deca?

Ya were the same,i want collagen synthesis and synovial fluid.I don't get anxiety from EQ,just tren e.I don't like Deca since it gives me bad gyno,arimidex and bromo is need with Deca.

[downtime]

I would be looking for a compound that affects collagen synthesis and synovial fluid.

So what compound do you recommend ??????

[waderow]

nandrolone or boldenone (EQ)

[Drummer]

500mg test a week is the only cycle id every tell a new guy to start with. Youve made a good choice.

~DB~

[spiderman7]

I think you should include hcg in your list. Also an AI on hand just in case you you do not respond well. When I did my first cycle at 37 I had an antibiotic on hand,herbs for blood pressure and cholesterol .As one gets older it is a little harder to recover. So why not make it as fast and as smooth as possible. If you want to add something in why not some anavar?

[downtime]

I guess you didnt read my first post as i do have a hcg,thanks anyways.Sorry dont know what ai is?you said antibiotic?

[spiderman7]

Aromatase Inhibitor = AI
The antibiotic is in case you give yourself an infection from an injection.