Summer Cycle

[freshh]

First cycle :

Tren Acetate week 1-8/10 50mg/ml eod
Test Prop week 1-8/10 100mg/ml eod
Vit B6 200-250mg ed - my tablets come in 250mgs, package says once a day for adults..

if signs of gyno will run nolva @ 30mgs until signs are gone.

pct
Day 1 300mg clomid, 40mg nolv
Day 2-11 100mg clomid ED, 20mg nolv ED
Day 12-21 50mg clomid ED, 10mg nolv ED

And I stretch the 3rd phase out past 21 days if I feel that I need it.

[Houstonbc]

I think this sounds great the tren will tighten you up from the dbol frontload, i pretty much did the same cycle last august

[AVEC]

this your first cycle? or first summer cycle? i dont understand the dbol cause the tren ace. has a short half life and will kick in early. dbol ya will bloat...and is it 100mg/ml of tren then 50mg/ml EOD after???? just tryin to help bud

[gustavo77]

Where's the test??

[freshh]

this your first cycle? or first summer cycle? i dont understand the dbol cause the tren ace. has a short half life and will kick in early. dbol ya will bloat...and is it 100mg/ml of tren then 50mg/ml EOD after???? just tryin to help bud


Yeah i know acetate is has a shorter half life than the tren e.. and yeah i want to frontload with 100mg/ml so 1cc for the first shot, then half a cc everyother day.

i heard tren does good on its own, but it is good to stack it with test.

Unfortunately for me this is basically like my first cycle, because my first one didn't go to well.

I just thought that tren would be best for the physique im looking for, i need to get more lean muscle, and hopefully if i see results with the tren ill be more committed to cardio to get a nice core.

[ergie]

I see a couple of things wrong, tren with no test and for what your goals are dbol is the wrong choice IMO. Var,Tbol,winny would be a better choice I think.

[L.W.]

Drop the dbol I agree. 100mg of tren is ALOT.
I ran my tren up on one of my last cycles and it was tough. I know some 300+lbs guys who only do 50-75mg ED. I ran 100+mg and my acne was brutal - huge cystic acne (tren welts). NOt worth it.

Gains were unreal and fatloss through the roof. But I was a walking puss ball.
Tren acetate should really be ED too.

I would do tren var as well. Or Tren winny. Dbol doesnt make sense to me in that cycle.

[AVEC]

if this is gonna be your kinda first cycle tren isnt a good option but if your set on it try then test prop/tren Ace. 100mg/ml of each EOD with like what said var or winny..i'd do winny IMO..but for a first cycle if it were me i'd do test at 500mg/ml for 12 weeks...

[ergie]

yep, I still only use 100mg EOD of Tren/test on a cutter....... works great

[L.W.]

test 500mg is the best bet for a first run I agree...but like they said if you really want tren lower the dose and ditch the dbol....best of luck.

[freshh]

alright well i do have a bottle of prop, you think i should throw it in the mix?

50mg/ml eod of tren for 1-10
500mg/ml week for 1-10

[ergie]

That should suffice

[AVEC]

1 cc of each EOD

[freshh]

alrite ill do 1 cc each eod .

thanks guys, yall are the best.

[Houstonbc]

if you can handle it i would do tren injections ed, if you frontload the dbol to kickstart your gains (2 week frontload perhaps) the tren will eliminate all the bloat from the dbol. when i ran tren dbol cycle (i know i shouldve had test in there but had no libido issues at all) i was doing 50mg ed tren and 60mg dbol ed and the dbol caused very little water retention due to the tren. however everybody responds differently of course. if i were to do it again it wold be same dose coupled with a test at 500mg wk

[gustavo77]

if you can handle it i would do tren injections ed, if you frontload the dbol to kickstart your gains (2 week frontload perhaps) the tren will eliminate all the bloat from the dbol. when i ran tren dbol cycle (i know i shouldve had test in there but had no libido issues at all) i was doing 50mg ed tren and 60mg dbol ed and the dbol caused very little water retention due to the tren. however everybody responds differently of course. if i were to do it again it wold be same dose coupled with a test at 500mg wk

Very strange that tren would do that with d-bol. Water retention from d-bol is caused by aromastization and tren has no Anti-e properties. But hey if it worked for you then great but i run an anti-e with all my cycles to prevent estro sides.

[gustavo77]

To the original poster, what is your age, stats, goals??? Is this your first cycle or your first tren cycle??? If this is your first cycle then there is absolutely no need for tren. Tren may be one of the most powerful AAS but it's use comes with a cost and a heafty one for some. Tren related sides can be some of the harshest of all AAS. A lot a guys i know, who are very experienced with AAS, cannot handle tren at all and have tried to run it several different ways but in the end the sides are just too much. Ultimately you are gonna do what you want, all we can do is try to guide you.

[freshh]

thanks for the info all.. yeah im only gonna do 50mg/ml eod this is basically like my first cycle.

I still want size, but i want lean muscle without the fat desposits bulkers give.

[gustavo77]

thanks for the info all.. yeah im only gonna do 50mg/ml eod this is basically like my first cycle.

I still want size, but i want lean muscle without the fat desposits bulkers give.

It's all about diet whether you gain fat...you can cut on test and anadrol bro if your diet is right.

[AVEC]

heres what i dont understand...like we said for a first cycle the one you are thinking of isnt the greatest idea...are you set on it cause you have the gear already? if so keep to your plan....now with a clean diet you can still add quality mass on test enan/cyp alone...ya still never got us the info on your training/diet/age/stats....if its your first then lets get ya hooked up as your first cycle is one you dont wanna **** up...ya know..

[freshh]

alright well basically it is like my first cycle, my other cycle i was only 3 weeks into it when i had to stop.

Im 20 years old, 160+ lbs.
Diet : I try and eat healthy, alot of protein, + 2 shakes a day.
Stats : 225+ @ flat benchpress / 100 @ armcurl with bar / dont really pay attention to the other stats... and my legs are just out of the question at the moment.

[Houstonbc]

perhaps the tren didnt "pull the water out" at the end of my cycle i was alot harder than before i started. i guess thats why its referred to as a hardening drug.
p.s. to original poster you are 160lbs? can you gain more naturally before messing with tren? have you tried test e or c with a good diet?

[freshh]

no i havent, this is basically my first cycle, a little harsh but well see what happens.

[AVEC]

p.s. to original poster you are 160lbs? can you gain more naturally before messing with tren? have you tried test e or c with a good diet?

exactly..i doubt you have even hit your first plateau yet..you increase your calories and i know you will add more mass...when i started i was 160 and got up to 210 by just changing my diet/workouts...IMHO for a 1st cycle do the d-bol and enan/cyp...

[Houstonbc]

well if your gonna do it good luck man, watch out for the tren sides make sure you take vit b6 100-200 mg a day to combat progesterone gyno

[freshh]

exactly..i doubt you have even hit your first plateau yet..you increase your calories and i know you will add more mass...when i started i was 160 and got up to 210 by just changing my diet/workouts...IMHO for a 1st cycle do the d-bol and enan/cyp...

then again your probably atleast 5'11 and had were heavy to start, i started working out when i was only 125 or so.. and im only like 5'8 - 5'9


b6 for combatting gyno? does that work?

[AVEC]

ummm no i am 5'8 and am a hard gainer probably like yourself..i wasnt heavy to start but my first cycle was test/dbol..hell i never used tren til 3rd cycle..you seem set on doing the tren/prop but do it like we set for ya...keep us updated thou...
then again your probably atleast 5'11 and had were heavy to start, i started working out when i was only 125 or so.. and im only like 5'8 - 5'9


b6 for combatting gyno? does that work?

[Houstonbc]

vit b6 for progesterone gyno only when using deca or tren you will have some progesterone floating around. if your prone to gyno i would try to get your hands on some letro

[freshh]

alright i threw in some b6, hitting up 150mgs ed of vitamin b6.

[Houstonbc]

how long have you been on now?

[aw1218]

why just run plain test? Tren is not for beginners

[strongmann]

why just run plain test? Tren is not for beginners

neither is anadrol but people still use it ;)

[freshh]

been on for a week now..im getting sensitivity in my nipples tho, and i think im prone to gyno cuz when i was going through puberty when i was younger i did get a bit of gyno but it stopped after. not taking any chances going to order some pct.

[freshh]

my protection looks like this

Vit B6 200-250mg ed - my tablets come in 250mgs, package says once a day for adults..

if signs of gyno will run nolva @ 30mgs until signs are gone.

pct
Day 1 300mg clomid, 40mg nolv
Day 2-11 100mg clomid ED, 20mg nolv ED
Day 12-21 50mg clomid ED, 10mg nolv ED

And I stretch the 3rd phase out past 21 days if I feel that I need it.

[Houstonbc]

nolva wont help progesterone gyno bro

[freshh]

so arimidex then.. instead of the nolva

[gustavo77]

so arimidex then.. instead of the nolva

No you need cabaser (cabergoline aka dotinex). Gyno from tren is caused by prolactin build up and an anti estrogen will not help with this. 0.5mg of cabaser, 2x per week will keep prolactin levels down and sides to a minimum.

[RJ*]

No you need cabaser (cabergoline aka dotinex). Gyno from tren is caused by prolactin build up and an anti estrogen will not help with this. 0.5mg of cabaser, 2x per week will keep prolactin levels down and sides to a minimum.

or 600 mg of b6 a day
although i personally wouldnt rely on this soley if nipples were causing a problem

i personally had result LOSING gyno with dostinex
dostinex is probly my fav sex drug

[Durk]

or 600 mg of b6 a day
although i personally wouldnt rely on this soley if nipples were causing a problem

i personally had result LOSING gyno with dostinex
dostinex is probly my fav sex drug

Keeps you hard for when you gotta pound a fatty? :D

[MIAGIONJUS]

Hey Freshh give us an update of how ur cycle is going :)