already planning next cycle

[waderow]

i cant wait to run EQ again. So already planning next cycle so I can think of it and be happy lol

Next cycle will be

1-17 test P 200 eod (may go up to 300 mid cycle)
1-15 eq 300 eod
7-17 tren a 100 eod
1-7 tbol ? never run so will see about dosage

hgh 3iu ed

dostinex
arimidex
hcg

pct clomid

[Solo59]

Looks good, but, man, you must be a big EQ fan: On some weeks you'll be injecting 1200 mgs of EQ. That much makes some people anxious or lethargic. The late Tren boost should be interesting methinks.

Got your ancillaries all lined up well. Just Clomid works for your PCT, eh?

Solo

[champcar99]

looks like the dude might not to be getting any sleep of that cycle....

[Big D]

looks good bro, how big are your injections 3ml's each ?

[gustavo77]

I think you will do fine with just 600mg of EQ per week but it's your choice bro. Keep a close eye on the blood pressure when you throw that tren in with the EQ. Run the t-bol for 5-6 weeks max at 40-60mg per day. 60mg/day will give you some seriously painful pumps. :yeah

[gustavo77]

Oh and i would throw in some Aromasin during PCT. 25mg/day for 5-6 weeks...

[canadianmuscle0803]

I think you will do fine with just 600mg of EQ per week but it's your choice bro. Keep a close eye on the blood pressure when you throw that tren in with the EQ. Run the t-bol for 5-6 weeks max at 40-60mg per day. 60mg/day will give you some seriously painful pumps. :yeah

x2..

your EQ dose is way too high if you ask me.. 300mg every 3.5 days is plenty.

[waderow]

yeah, it is a high EQ dose, but I have run nearly a gram before and loved it.
I suppose I could go EQ ETD, and leave the others EOD

the injections will be 3cc each as I intend to run SA test prop 200, EQ300, and tren 100

this averages out to 1050mg per week of EQ. high, yes, but on high EQ you feel like a god. Like you can lift anything in the gym. Vascular. Hard. Good protein synthesis. Low estrogen related sides. Low water retention. I will watch BP of course, but I have a high fitness rating, and nearly ran a half marathon this spring. I have fairly strong cardio, so will prop be okay with a little aspirin, and of course....major hydration.

Any of you guys know Maxitter? He is a endocrinologist chemist mad scientist type. Highly respected on international boards.
Maxitter swears by high dose EQ, otherwise you're not getting the intended effect.

Now, of course I cannot recall the science, so I just sent out a message to try to get a hold of the dude.. You guys will find it interesting I am sure.

I will post it when I hear back.

[gustavo77]

yeah, it is a high EQ dose, but I have run nearly a gram before and loved it.
I suppose I could go EQ ETD, and leave the others EOD

the injections will be 3cc each as I intend to run SA test prop 200, EQ300, and tren 100

this averages out to 1050mg per week of EQ. high, yes, but on high EQ you feel like a god. Like you can lift anything in the gym. Vascular. Hard. Good protein synthesis. Low estrogen related sides. Low water retention. I will watch BP of course, but I have a high fitness rating, and nearly ran a half marathon this spring. I have fairly strong cardio, so will prop be okay with a little aspirin, and of course....major hydration.

Any of you guys know Maxitter? He is a endocrinologist chemist mad scientist type. Highly respected on international boards.
Maxitter swears by high dose EQ, otherwise you're not getting the intended effect.

Now, of course I cannot recall the science, so I just sent out a message to try to get a hold of the dude.. You guys will find it interesting I am sure.

I will post it when I hear back.

My only concern would be RBC count and high BP on tren and EQ. If you keep a close on both and all is good then go for it bro. I wish i could tolerate EQ. SA EQ at only 500mg per week had me anxious 24/7 after only 4 weeks on. Switched over to the primo and got some crazy vacularity on that...

Yes i know who Maxitter is. Read a lot of his stuff on long acting slin and peptides... Dude knows his shit. He believes that fast acting insulin PWO is useless. Says that you can induce the same response with PWO carbs. I have been seriously considering running detemir (levemir in Canada)...stable, elevated insulin levels 24 hrs per day with no real spike to cause hypo. That combined with GH and test...can you say mass??..lol..

[waderow]

My only concern would be RBC count and high BP on tren and EQ. If you keep a close on both and all is good then go for it bro. I wish i could tolerate EQ. SA EQ at only 500mg per week had me anxious 24/7 after only 4 weeks on. Switched over to the primo and got some crazy vacularity on that...

Yes i know who Maxitter is. Read a lot of his stuff on long acting slin and peptides... Dude knows his shit. He believes that fast acting insulin PWO is useless. Says that you can induce the same response with PWO carbs. I have been seriously considering running detemir (levemir in Canada)...stable, elevated insulin levels 24 hrs per day with no real spike to cause hypo. That combined with GH and test...can you say mass??..lol..

Thats why I take a high dose of waxy maise PWO, then wait for insulin spike, then take in calories. Because of Max

your insulin protocol would have to be no fat right?

[JonnyO]

I know Maxi well. Maxi's insulin theory was thrown right back in his face and he cannot back up any of his theory. The studies he uses, which is all he goes by, were done on diabetics, so of coarse there is a totally different need than us. He also believes that taking Insulin is healthy and will make you live longer, lmao. I dont think so, Insulin will age you and you will not live longer. So I please ask any of you who think his ideas on Insulin are safe DO NOT follow it, for real. 60-70iu a day of long acting Insulin all year 'round? Think 'bout that one, you do not want elevated insulin levels all day long...not unless you want to get fat and lower your lease on life.

Waderow...you say already thinking of next cycle, are you currently on a cycle right now? I mean if you on the same cycle for 17 weeks no wonder your already planning the next one, lol.

IMHO, 17 weeks is a long ass (no pun intended) cycle. Your going to take forever to recover and the ratio of benefits vs side effects is not in your favor. I know everyone says the longer your on EQ the better gains, thats fine, but running that high of a dose for that long your asking for issues. What I'd do is keep the EQ in as your base at 600mg a week, then run say sust and an oral the first 8 weeks, then switch to Prop and Tren the last 8 weeks. This will keep the gains coming and prevent adaptation and boredom.

[gustavo77]

Thats why I take a high dose of waxy maise PWO, then wait for insulin spike, then take in calories. Because of Max

your insulin protocol would have to be no fat right?

Max said that you can eat normally which for me for be low-moderate fat intake.

[gustavo77]

I know Maxi well. Maxi's insulin theory was thrown right back in his face and he cannot back up any of his theory. The studies he uses, which is all he goes by, were done on diabetics, so of coarse there is a totally different need than us. He also believes that taking Insulin is healthy and will make you live longer, lmao. I dont think so, Insulin will age you and you will not live longer. So I please ask any of you who think his ideas on Insulin are safe DO NOT follow it, for real. 60-70iu a day of long acting Insulin all year 'round? Think 'bout that one, you do not want elevated insulin levels all day long...not unless you want to get fat and lower your lease on life.


I do not think i have seen him suggest running slin year round. His protocol is only for 2-3 months and he even stated that he does not recommend high doses of insulin for more than 2 months.

If you wish to read it here is his long-acting slin protocol (you will have to register if you have not already):

http://ukiron.net/showthread.php?t=6008

[St]

Ya 400-600mg a week is more than enough.Like if you were going to take 1200mg a week of Eq how much would you use in 5 years 3000-4000mg?
There has to be a risk to benefit.I'm not a fan of high dose more moderate and longer cycles.

[tex]

watch the rbc's with that dose of eq........i wont comment on doses cuz you should do what you think will work best for you but maybe start with a lower dose and work up to the 1200........who knows...you might get up to 2g a week ;)