do you think your dog is tough or protect you?

[Mr Ontario]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBNieFJ8Kkc&feature=related

[trykillthis]

Friggen tough dogs.

[Mr Ontario]

I think banan has a tough dog :)

[purelife]

my boy has a pit mixed with Rottweiler crazy ass dog
i'll post a pic when i get a chance

[Staffie111]

mines in my avi

[purelife]

nice dog



mines in my avi

[Monka]

Training a dog to kill really. I know it's a competition, but really this is of no use for a sport,dogs are trained well yes, BUT what happens when it's 10yrs old and a boy comes by after it's comp days?? Looks cool, but i personaly don't like whats going on there.

[NorthOf60]

My dog is an old school German Sheppard (straight back German style, not North American style). I would want to ever be on the receiving end of her mouth. Luckily she is really friendly and cute. Whenever I am out on trails with her though and she gets a little head of me she scares the shit out of people because they think she might be a wolf.

BTW really nice looking dog Staffie111

[Bowlcut]

I used to go coon huntin with my German Shepard/Border Collie cross.

[waderow]

i am sure this will stir the pot, but pits should be outlawed. Far too unpredictable.

i have seen the "loved" and "nurtured" and "trained" pitbulls, and they are still 0-60 in 3.7. A guy smacked a girl on the ass playfully at a get together, and this loved trained nurtured pit ****ing mauled him, and the girl after she tried to intervene.

its a breed that serves no purpose. you want a cool looking dog. get a boxer

you need a penis extension, leave the pit bull and buy a penis pump

[Mr Ontario]

Male or Female? some genders less aggressive?


mines in my avi

[Staffie111]

He is male , still got his nuts and is terrorized by my parents Shitzu evrytime they visit. His breed is actually on the dangerous animals list now in Ontario, and is banned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D24igQxIfIY.
I love the part where the kid is trying to open the drawer and the dogkeeps stopping her. What a baby killer.

[Staffie111]

These are by far the most visicious animals out there!
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=41536178
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtjUhYM6E8M

[Ritch]

These are by far the most visicious animals out there!
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=41536178
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtjUhYM6E8M

Those dogs are so funny! We just got a dog which is a mix of great dain and labrador. The other day I was just thinking how funny it would be to have it trained just to chase someone on my command (not to harm) and watch the person run for their lives. Me: "Get him boy, get him!"
other guy: Screams out loud like Ned Flanders shitting his pants along the way. Ah, ha ha ha ha...

[St]

Nice dog.

[icey_boi]

i am sure this will stir the pot, but pits should be outlawed. Far too unpredictable.

i have seen the "loved" and "nurtured" and "trained" pitbulls, and they are still 0-60 in 3.7. A guy smacked a girl on the ass playfully at a get together, and this loved trained nurtured pit ****ing mauled him, and the girl after she tried to intervene.

its a breed that serves no purpose. you want a cool looking dog. get a boxer

you need a penis extension, leave the pit bull and buy a penis pump


i cant even believe what i just read!

that is by fay the stupidest most racest comment i have ever heard!

if anything should be "outlawed" it should be people like you bro.
peoplethat think like that way and say things like make me sick!
they are in no way shape or form any more "unpredictable" than any other dog there is aside from dobermans wich actualy do have a chance at "snapping" one day do to brain swelling that occures when they get old.

if anything they have far less of a chance at attacking a person then most dogs due to the fact that they are much smarter than most other dogs bud.

i cant even believe you said that bro that is so racest!! man that makes me mad bro!! realy. im literaly shaking rite now because of how angry that you would say something like that! unbelievable man. makes me sick to think there are ppl out there that think that way.:mad::mad::mad:

[icey_boi]

theres my pitty on the rite. his name is Icepick

and he is the love of my life.
theres NOTHING i wouldnt do for him and theres nothing he wouldnt do for me.
he is my bestfriend.

[icey_boi]

you sure did stir the pot there waderow. and what a stir it was......

[nisser]

he's not stirring shit at all. You're just getting offended needlessly.

Pitbulls are dangerous and there's a ton of stats out there that prove it.

Here's some:
http://www.tennessean.com/assets/pdf/dn2763359.pdf

[icey_boi]

saying pitts are dangerous is like saying people are dangerous man. anything CAN be dangerous. i just hate it when people single out pitts over any other dogs. now that is needless

[Staffie111]

I dont even want to start throwing stats out there, would be here forever. People sometimes are quick to judge things they fear or dont understand.

[turboturist]

he's not stirring shit at all. You're just getting offended needlessly.

Pitbulls are dangerous and there's a ton of stats out there that prove it.

Here's some:
http://www.tennessean.com/assets/pdf/dn2763359.pdf

I love how you have some stats that dont even have Pit Bull on the sheet. Pit Bull type is not pit bull. There are a bunch of breeds that are commonly mistaken for pitbulls. Pit Bull type give me a ****in break.

You should maybe do some research on some real Pit Bull stats.

[turboturist]

You take any dog in that video or breed and train them like that they will attack and maim or hurt someone if told to do so or provoked.

But put that same dog and bring it up in a friendly environment and the outcome is vastly different. Its the owner that is at fault, not the dog or the breed IMO.

[turboturist]

I posted this a few years back at MN but here it is here.

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[waderow]

i cant even believe what i just read!

that is by fay the stupidest most racest comment i have ever heard!

if anything should be "outlawed" it should be people like you bro.
peoplethat think like that way and say things like make me sick!
they are in no way shape or form any more "unpredictable" than any other dog there is aside from dobermans wich actualy do have a chance at "snapping" one day do to brain swelling that occures when they get old.

if anything they have far less of a chance at attacking a person then most dogs due to the fact that they are much smarter than most other dogs bud.

i cant even believe you said that bro that is so racest!! man that makes me mad bro!! realy. im literaly shaking rite now because of how angry that you would say something like that! unbelievable man. makes me sick to think there are ppl out there that think that way.:mad::mad::mad:

dont get mad bro, its a common fact that pits are not good pet material. even the loved ones can be vicious, and the worst part is, its not like a lab who will nip you, the pit will ****ing try to kill you, and come back for more, and bite at your twitching body.

youre obviously a pit lover, but why chose a pit? why not a boxer. they look mean so you can look mean. but they will slober you to death, in stead of ****ing kill you should things go bad

[waderow]

the point is, us there may be more dogs in the pitbull apologists stat arsenal that bite moree, but the difference is, is that a pit will rip your throat out, vs. a lab or whatever, which will "nip" you.

i love all animals, and i can appreciate where you guys are coming from, but i think youre irresponsible having a pit around kids, and i think pits should be banned altogether due to all the arguments I am sure you have heard a thousand times.

there is no need for them. I dont need to get bit, and neither does the neighbor kid who follows a stray ball in your yard.

[turboturist]

dont get mad bro, its a common fact that pits are not good pet material. even the loved ones can be vicious, and the worst part is, its not like a lab who will nip you, the pit will ****ing try to kill you, and come back for more, and bite at your twitching body.

youre obviously a pit lover, but why chose a pit? why not a boxer. they look mean so you can look mean. but they will slober you to death, in stead of ****ing kill you should things go bad

It is not a common fact, it is a common misconception from people who believe what the media tells them instead of educating them selves.

Its funny how people in this type of community we are in on this board go off on a regular basis about how dumb the general public is on AAS usage but turn around and spew the garbage that you are spewing without doing some actual research of their own.

Just a tad bit hypocritical, just a tad.

I am not a Pit lover as you called icey boi, my fav breeds are Boxers and Bull Dogs but I have had many family members as well as my brother who has breed Pits as pets and have never seen even the slightest form of aggression from a Pit that came from a caring home.

Watch the vid I posted and do some research man and you will find very soon that what your saying is down right wrong.

[waderow]

It is not a common fact, it is a common misconception from people who believe what the media tells them instead of educating them selves.

Its funny how people in this type of community we are in on this board go off on a regular basis about how dumb the general public is on AAS usage but turn around and spew the garbage that you are spewing without doing some actual research of their own.

Just a tad bit hypocritical, just a tad.

I am not a Pit lover as you called icey boi, my fav breeds are Boxers and Bull Dogs but I have had many family members as well as my brother who has breed Pits as pets and have never seen even the slightest form of aggression from a Pit that came from a caring home.

Watch the vid I posted and do some research man and you will find very soon that what your saying is down right wrong.

Thats great, and good for you. I hope you never have to change your opinion due to an attack.

I agree most pit bull fear is based on misconceptions, and is due to g-unit ******s chaining the poor ****ing dog to a tree its whole life.

I agree that not all pits are bad. In fact, most are like you describe. I would have a pit, and I am sure all would be good, but I would never let my pit play unsupervised with kids. I would make god damned sure the yard was secure, and I would not take it to off lease unless i was taking him from day one puppy.

so why the concern? because if a pit attacks, its game ****ing on. its fight time. and i know damn well that some pits attack. some. excluding the g-unit ******s dogs, 1 in 1000? 1 in 10000? 1 in 100? I don't know, as they do not have stats excluding the gangstas.

but it happens there are as many horror stories as success stories, and its not worrth it is all i am saying. its not a good breed.

raise a boxer, and never worry.

[tiramisu]

The terriers are truly amazing animals. I would love to own one but likely won't. I think the challenge/responsibility is having the time and commitment to take care of a working dog properly. I would suggest that a well owned terrier is a happy, loyal, loving animal. I would also suggest that most people aren't up to the responsibility of caring for a working dog properly.

[St]

i am sure this will stir the pot, but pits should be outlawed. Far too unpredictable.

i have seen the "loved" and "nurtured" and "trained" pitbulls, and they are still 0-60 in 3.7. A guy smacked a girl on the ass playfully at a get together, and this loved trained nurtured pit ****ing mauled him, and the girl after she tried to intervene.

its a breed that serves no purpose. you want a cool looking dog. get a boxer

you need a penis extension, leave the pit bull and buy a penis pump


Ya i'm not a fan of this dog,its there Jaw power,once lock your *ucked.I seen on TV two Police officers grab each a front leg and pulled on them to the side lungs collaps,and the dogs Died right on the spot,and the cops had a hard time.

[turboturist]

Ya i'm not a fan of this dog,its there Jaw power,once lock your *ucked.I seen on TV two Police officers grab each a front leg and pulled on them to the side lungs collaps,and the dogs Died right on the spot,and the cops had a hard time.

Another one of the myths comes to the surface. Seen it on tv so it must be true?


-Is it true that Pit Bulls can lock their jaw?
The infamous locking jaw is a myth. The American Pit Bull Terrier and related breeds are physiologically no different from any other breed of dog. All dogs are from the same species and none have locking jaws. Dr. I Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia states, "To the best of our knowledge, there are no published scientific studies that would allow any meaningful comparison to be made of the biting power of various breeds of dogs. There are, moreover, compelling technical reasons why such data describing biting power in terms of 'pounds per square inch' can never be collected in a meaningful way. All figures describing biting power in such terms can be traced to either unfounded rumor or, in some cases, to newspaper articles with no foundation in factual data." Furthermore, Dr. Brisbin states, "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog. There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of 'locking mechanism' unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier."

[St]

Another one of the myths comes to the surface. Seen it on tv so it must be true?


No i would here it on the 580 cfra radio every other week it was nasty here in Ontairo.Its not the tv it just there Jaw power once they bits that it 2000 pounds of strenght,and yes i know it the dog owner problem.

[turboturist]

No i would here it on the 580 cfra radio every other week it was nasty here in Ontairo.Its not the tv it just there Jaw power once they bits that it 2000 pounds of strenght,and yes i know it the dog owner problem.

You said lock Jaw in your post and it is a myth that their jaw locks. As I said in a previous post just because the media portrays it that way does not mean its true, no matter how many radio shows you listen to.

Especially in a province like ONT that has unjustly banned the breed, do you not think that maybe their broadcasts are just a little wee bit biased?

And thank you for agreeing it is an owner problem not a breed problem.

[guest]

waderow and nisser, you both seem like decent guys but you are simply wrong. sorry bros. as a pittbull owner for the last 12 years i have been through this argument too many times. the amount of misinformation and bias surrounding these dogs is staggering, discouraging and most of all sad.

[turboturist]

waderow and nisser, you both seem like decent guys but you are simply wrong. sorry bros. as a pittbull owner for the last 12 years i have been through this argument too many times. the amount of misinformation and bias surrounding these dogs is staggering, discouraging and most of all sad.

I was wondering when you were finally going to chime in here.

[NorthOf60]

I think it's funny that people go on about pitbulls not being trustworthy and that their breed serve no purpose. Maybe those people should look at themselves and the human breed first because humans are the worst animal out there and will go from 0-10000000 in 0 seconds. It is humans that bred the pitbull to be like this in the first place.

[Staffie111]

The terriers are truly amazing animals. I would love to own one but likely won't. I think the challenge/responsibility is having the time and commitment to take care of a working dog properly. I would suggest that a well owned terrier is a happy, loyal, loving animal. I would also suggest that most people aren't up to the responsibility of caring for a working dog properly.

This is the kind of person that should own a pit . They realize how much work it is and how much time you have to spend with them to burn off all that extra energy. Also smart enough to know that right now is not the right time. And the thing about lock jaw and 2000 pounds of pressure bite should be no arguement at all. If a dog with half the power and no lock jaw is still cappable of eating your face off.

[waderow]

are you guys going to tell me 100&#37; of properly raised pitbulls are 100% docile and will not attack?

i dont believe it, but if this is the case, then I think pit bulls at a minimum should be restricted animals, and require a special permit or license.

i stress i dont believe that though/

i am not going to start bringing up 1000 links, as there is probably that and more of news articles and reports, and obituaries.

but please explain this:
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/04/11/news/californian/23_29_184_10_04.txt

a puppy, unprovoked, and seems to have been raised like you guys say you raise yours

[BAM]

I can't believe I agree with waderow about something. Pitbulls make me very nervous, especially when I'm out with my kids and I see some skid walking with one not on a leash with no muzzle.

Makes me want to carry a knife so I can kill it easier if gets out of control.

Great looking dogs.. I've just seen enough of them go into unpredictable mode that they freak me out.

[champcar99]

I have had Penske (pittbull) for ten years I have never had a issue with him , everyone that meets him love him and refer to him as a big suck..I have had the lab cross rotti for 14 years (Pizon) never a problem ..I can countthe number of times i have had them on a leach..hardly never...no problems ever...Waderow I for one not into your comments about them....

[waderow]

champcar. if a kid went into your yard to go fetch a ball, would he be ripped apart? or would they be "sucks" to him

[champcar99]

champcar. if a kid went into your yard to go fetch a ball, would he be ripped apart? or would they be "sucks" to him

he would play with the kid..Penske is a pure lover not a fighter bro...he's the best and I concider myself lucky too have him...out of all the time I have had him I have more problems with people screaming at me because he's a pittbull and never has he even bothered anyone at all..problems to a point of telling the assholes its not my dogs you need too worry about its me ...lol...

[waderow]

well thats cool
youve obviously put a great deal of love and effort in
all owners should be like you of any breed.....

but

i am not saying everyone will attack. just that some will, and when they do, its a battle. Its kids getting maimed or killed, its game on.

[champcar99]

he is such a suck bro even when unwanted uniformed assholes (police) came to my place as much as I wanted them (*had 2 at the time) to rip the pig apart ..the pigs commented on how nice they were...grrrrr...as they took me away to the cells...lol...

[Monka]

not just pit bulls, but I've noticed, most owners I've come across are the people or (young couples) in twenties saying THEIR pet isn't part of the stereo typical dogs, it's a suck and would run other direction, I've personally seen a rottie attack ( a 4 year old boy pulled his ears), not a pitbulls (their just mid size nothing fantasy for my liking ) myself but that's me, don't' care for them like the bigger/or super small dogs.II can't say it's just pitbulls, more so any breed that would be owned by neglectful people that just leave it all day work, and after few years it just goes from home to home.

Lots of people own/owned pitbull /rotties/wolfs imo it's more of a fashion thing. Some are true lovers of them,but lots buy them as they have the legend behind them , then rough house with it etc and have there baby with it, and wonder why baby was bit when taking a bone from it? shit happens, not just with them, but all animals, i truly believe if an animal attacks, the owner should go to jail,and fined heavily as being a dog owner should KNOW it's dog know if it's aggressive, or MIGHT be, and 1)either sell to someone that can handle it 2) take to a shelter
Ive owned Rotties over the years, one i gave to a good friend as i thought MIGHT be little to aggressive and other one, we kept for a bit as seemed friendly but got sick. So put down.Both hips were bad. Wolves as well, super friendly (domestic) and seems friendlier then the German Shepard it was with, but you also knew in back of head, it's supposed to be wild and ONE day something will happen.

I feel all animals are an environment of the owner and once you own it, you take responsibility of its actions. i think fines and penalties are not big enough and animal attacks should really go after owners for any dog that is, not just the pit. People are ALWAYS quick to say they never seen there dog do that before, and when someone gets hurt it's to late,
Also, think that some people SPOIL their dog, which might cause it to get angry if something don't go it\s way or if someone touches it.

[whaler777]

I'm a firm believer good owners good pets, don't blame the breed for the ignorance of bad pet owners. 777

[BAM]

Keep a leash on those crocodiles.

:)

[guest]

I can't believe I agree with waderow about something. Pitbulls make me very nervous, especially when I'm out with my kids and I see some skid walking with one not on a leash with no muzzle.

Makes me want to carry a knife so I can kill it easier if gets out of control.

Great looking dogs.. I've just seen enough of them go into unpredictable mode that they freak me out.

i should hope any dog with big teeth in the care of a skid would make you nervous for your kids safety.

too many people let their minds get carried away with what is spread in the papers and on the news. the word 'pittbull' garners media attention. many of the reported attacks are not even pittbulls but other breeds and mixed breeds(mutts). when a police trained german shepard rips apart a small child you simply dont hear about it.

like i said, i have been through 12 years of this. the ignorance surrounding these dogs is akin to the general public's ignorance of AAS.

they are the media flavor of the decade and if banned the undesirables will replace them with rotties, dobs, cane corsos, etc.

...pictures are worth a thousand words?.....

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g33/romeotulsa/rascals.jpg

[guest]

oh...and i'll add that my pitt, who minds his own business, has been attacked by a german shepard, a rottie and an akita.

[waderow]

pits are in the papers for a reason. its not a big anti pit conspiracy

[turboturist]

pits are in the papers for a reason. its not a big anti pit conspiracy

Ummm, yes it is.

I pointed it out,
Its funny how people in this type of community we are in on this board go off on a regular basis about how dumb the general public is on AAS usage but turn around and spew the garbage that you are spewing without doing some actual research of their own.

Bana pointed it out
like i said, i have been through 12 years of this. the ignorance surrounding these dogs is akin to the general public's ignorance of AAS.

but some how your missing the point so maybe you should try and see the resemblance to it.

The papers and media say if you do one shot of AAS your gonna die a terrible death and we all know that to untrue. Same thing is going here with the medias portrayal of Pit Bulls.

[waderow]

there are actual dead bodies and blood from pit attacks/


i dont care how friendly yours is, others have killed and maimed.

[guest]

there are actual dead bodies and blood from pit attacks/


i dont care how friendly yours is, others have killed and maimed.

what is it that you are saying? that pitts have attacked? that cant be denied. just as it cant be denied that many breeds have attacked at greater frequency and with just as much or more damage.

you think i'm biased? go talk to a vet yourself about the subject. i was told many times by vets, dog trainers and spca when i got my dog long ago that the biggest problem i'd have with my pittbull would be other people.

internet links can be posted til the cows come home, it's skewed, the media is biased, period. it's not my opinion, it's a fact, i've dealt with 12 years of this. i have talked to newspaper reporters personally that have knowingly misreported dog attacks.

i can understand how the public would be frightened and there is no denying that a dog like a pitt, rottie, dob, shepard, etc is an extremely dangerous animal in the wrong hands. i just dont agree that pitts are more prone to attacking people.

that's my 2 cents. i think further discussion would only be circular. tomato tamato.

[guest]

pits are in the papers for a reason. its not a big anti pit conspiracy


oops, i missed this post. the papers will print whatever is sensational. surely you realize that you are making an assumption. im not talking out of my ass, i have experienced it in person.

anyhoo, i've said all i have to say, this thread has veered from it's original intent. feel free to PM me if you like.

peace.

[BAM]

If someone's animal attacks a human, the owner of said animal should face charges as if they had attacked the person themself and be sentenced accordingly, even if the owner was not present at the time of the attack.

Assuming a family member of the victim doesn't kill the owner of the dog before the trial starts.

[nisser]

If someone's animal attacks a human, the owner of said animal should face charges as if they had attacked the person themself and be sentenced accordingly, even if the owner was not present at the time of the attack.

Assuming a family member of the victim doesn't kill the owner of the dog before the trial starts.

I totally agree. I don't like pitts but for the record I never wanted to see them banned. I think the charges have to be very extreme for any owner whose dog hurts another person whether its a pitbull or a poodle. The dog is an extension of you and your own responsibility and the owners should be totally responsible for their actions.

If a toddler goes on your lawn to pick up his ball, would you shoot him with a shotgun? Of course not..so why is it more acceptable if a dog maims the kid? The responsibility should be 100% on the owner.

[Krozone]

It's kinda late to chime in here..

I'm very Fond of Dogs, regardless of the breed.

I agree that certain types of Dogs can be persuaded to act aggressively, such as Dobermans and German Sheppard’s as they are originally bread as working dogs.

The VAST majority of Pit Bulls are not pure breeds. Just looking at the pictures of what some would label as a Pitt Bull offers an insight into what causes aggressive behavior.

I knew 4 guys in the Toronto area who fed the Bullies Winny Tabs to increase their size and muscularity. Among a variety of breeds such as the Boxer, an American Pitt Bull looks more impressive when it's very muscular.

The American Pitt Bull breed is a great breed. However, like other breed’s, l if abused and trained to be aggressive there is little a grown man can do to stop an attack.


It's 100&#37; the responsibility of the owner in relation to how a dog behaves.
I agree with Waderow (not just because of the Hot aviator) but because statistically, he is right.

I am a dog owner and I would do whatever I would need to do to protect my friend. (Albeit he's a Yorkie, yeah.. yeah... I know... But I've got SEVERE allergies and I LOVE dogs.... So bite me .. "No Pun intended") "updated my profile pic"

that being said, I FULLY support every dog owner, regardless of the breed.. As long as they are good people.. Now the ppl on the board who do own Bullies, you seem like decent guys so I am sure that your dogs are great!..

It's the ones that are not well behaved.. If I were to walk my little guy and any dog regardless of the breed were to attach him unprovoked..... Worse yet.. if I had a son or daughter.. and they got attacked....

What if it were your child?

Again, it's not the breed that determines the outcome. It's the Owners who raise dogs to attack.

Love your pets, because I know that they love you. Just be sure to socialize them properly and don't encourage aggression.

My .02 cents.

Kro!