OTC PCT in Canada

[williell]

Hi, I am looking for a simple and legal OTC PCT in Canada for my first 4 week cycle of epistane. Does anyone know what I could take?

[Boulderer77]

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[williell]

should i just take it and then see a doctor after haha...

[williell]

I wanted to do a real cycle but its been to hard to find sources, i've been looking for a few months. I'm about to start my own website to petition and lobby against all this BS about steroids (and provide a more open forum for source checks so people don't die from bad drugs). Anyone with any ideas should PM me.

[natenator]

I wanted to do a real cycle but its been to hard to find sources, i've been looking for a few months. I'm about to start my own website to petition and lobby against all this BS about steroids (and provide a more open forum for source checks so people don't die from bad drugs). Anyone with any ideas should PM me.
1) People aren't dying from bad drugs.
2) Finding a source is about trust
3) Lobby against steroids BS? Lol good luck with that. Hellow LE!
4) Epistane? Seriously? WTF?

[L3]

(and provide a more open forum for source checks so people don't die from bad drugs)

drugs are bad mmmmkay

[williell]

1) People aren't dying from bad drugs.
2) Finding a source is about trust


There is no way of telling whether the medicines are counterfeit or genuine
There is no way of telling what the medicines actually contain or how much
There is often no information leaflets accompanying the medicines
A source should respect and value its customers, not send them pretend, underdosed, or dirty drugs. If they don't have any in stock, they should be honest and not charge me up the ass for their garbage I will never receive.
People do get infections from these drugs, they do die, and they do put their careers at risk. I have to go to college but I'll come back with evidence to back this up.

We need a Board of Suppliers, where pharmaceutical companies need to uphold certain standards to maintain their membership. Customers need a way to verify the legitimacy of suppliers and report their services more effectively. In this day and age, their is absolutely no reason to put up with this, and we don't have to.


3) Lobby against steroids BS? Lol good luck with that. Hellow LE!

I am not scared to take on these people, and I will. I will take on both the UG Labs and the government, just watch me.

4) Epistane? Seriously? WTF?

Its the only thing I could get ahold of, I'm not throwing away my money to crooks.

[lambchops]

should i just take it and then see a doctor after haha...

curious, if you went to your doctors and told them you ran a cycle and were getting gyno. would he/she prescribe a SERM and or AI?

Or what if you just said you were getting gyno, wouldn't they be obligated to give you something.

[Repmeister]

OTC PCT - no such thing.

Epi is not very suppressive. If you cannot get a SERM the closest OTC you can try is 6 OXO or Novedex XT. I have done two Epi cycles and used Toremifene for both. My cycles were 10 weeks though with the first five weeks pulsed and the last five straight at 40 mg/day.

A short, 5 or 6 week pulse cycle should not be too suppressive and you could probably get away without a serm. Further, Epi generally does not cause gyno (in most people) In fact, it is known to reduce or eliminate pre-existing gyno problems. But, everyone is different and you need to monitor yourself.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you have said but I think alot of it is pie in the sky. Not trying to be insulting and you should do what you need to do. I think a good start has been taken in the UK where AAS is not illegal for personal use. Problem is that it is still illegal to sell. Therein lies the problem. You are still dealing with black market suppliers and not all of them are scrupulous.

Good luck with whatever you do.

[L3]

i am a complete tool

lets just get this straight, you're talking about potentially purchasing illegal drugs from unathorised manufacturers (aka drug dealers)

if you can't handle the risk involved with committing a crime then stick with OTC (which is so highly regulated, i might add)

this is probably the worst fishing effort on the boards yet

:spam

[Van Zan]

I wanted to do a real cycle but its been to hard to find sources, i've been looking for a few months. I'm about to start my own website to petition and lobby against all this BS about steroids (and provide a more open forum for source checks so people don't die from bad drugs). Anyone with any ideas should PM me.

Bad idea. SSB was a more "open forum" and got busted big time 2 yrs ago in operation raw deal

[Van Zan]

1) People aren't dying from bad drugs.
2) Finding a source is about trust


There is no way of telling whether the medicines are counterfeit or genuine
There is no way of telling what the medicines actually contain or how much
There is often no information leaflets accompanying the medicines
A source should respect and value its customers, not send them pretend, underdosed, or dirty drugs. If they don't have any in stock, they should be honest and not charge me up the ass for their garbage I will never receive.
People do get infections from these drugs, they do die, and they do put their careers at risk. I have to go to college but I'll come back with evidence to back this up.

We need a Board of Suppliers, where pharmaceutical companies need to uphold certain standards to maintain their membership. Customers need a way to verify the legitimacy of suppliers and report their services more effectively. In this day and age, their is absolutely no reason to put up with this, and we don't have to.


3) Lobby against steroids BS? Lol good luck with that. Hellow LE!

I am not scared to take on these people, and I will. I will take on both the UG Labs and the government, just watch me.

4) Epistane? Seriously? WTF?

Its the only thing I could get ahold of, I'm not throwing away my money to crooks.


Just dont take down good UG labs in the process like SSB did because of their openness to source

[St]

Just get sone Trib and take 3 grama ed it works well.
If you want a Steriod just go to a gym and tell every big guy there you want to do a show,and bam the Drugs will come from every way,it will work.

[waderow]

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[Van Zan]

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LOL

[kloan]

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lmao

[Krozone]

priceless!

[St]

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Is there anymore to that in life?

[williell]

Okay, tomorrow I will make a new thread on how to do this. I want to make a certification board that is a little like the the NSCA. Those who would be certified would have the most respected and preferred credentials to acquire credibility and enhance business opportunities. This is just as justifiable as safe injection sites in Vancouver. Those certified would obviously have to agree to operate in a somewhat transparent manner, we will have to brainstorm a good system for this. Money from those who have been certified can be used to lobby for legal steroids. I'm going to pour over the legalities and see what can be done tonight. I also think that we should consider how those who order drugs online and really need them for their health can help push this forward.

[mikeok]

Okay, tomorrow I will make a new thread on how to do this. I want to make a certification board that is a little like the the NSCA. Those who would be certified would have the most respected and preferred credentials to acquire credibility and enhance business opportunities. This is just as justifiable as safe injection sites in Vancouver. Those certified would obviously have to agree to operate in a somewhat transparent manner, we will have to brainstorm a good system for this. Money from those who have been certified can be used to lobby for legal steroids. I'm going to pour over the legalities and see what can be done tonight. I also think that we should consider how those who order drugs online and really need them for their health can help push this forward.

so you wanna do all that but you cant find yourself a source to get some juice
ummmmmmm yeah ok buddy

[williell]

Thanks for the advice on PCT for Epistane, I've been browsing other forums about it and have found lots of advice and different opinions.

[williell]

so you wanna do all that but you cant find yourself a source to get some juice
ummmmmmm yeah ok buddy

I didn't want to throw my money away and end up like others did, Epistane sounded more like a sure thing. I do understand that the real thing is better, but I don't trust anyone enough over the internet when student loans are paying for so much of everything that I have. If I could take that picture and fix it up, I'd says its me being the big circle, and then everyone on the outside not fcking with me because I worked 12 hour days 21 days straight in McMurray all summer and it isn't going to go into some deadbeats hands and make me feel like a sucker. It's obvious that how things work with UG Labs is screwed up, and it looks like it is something that can be fixed. Do you really think that if any of you know about who the sources are, that the police don't? Anyone that sells now, the police have ordered from and got a drug (if they ever really send a drug). A business can only be profitable if It is well marketed, they don't just serve you, they serve thousands of other people, and they all attract attention to everyone. The problem isn't about how they market themselves with having huge banners under signatures, board sponsorships, and customer endorsements, because even if they are quietly advertised, the multinational thousand strong team of police officers on the internet looking for this day in and day out will find a new start up and make an order from their site within weeks.

[williell]

curious, if you went to your doctors and told them you ran a cycle and were getting gyno. would he/she prescribe a SERM and or AI?

Or what if you just said you were getting gyno, wouldn't they be obligated to give you something.

I know that if you did this In the United States, you would be at risk of losing your insurance coverage. I don't think the ordinary family doctor knows much about SERMs or AIs and how they are used for PCT after steroid cycles.After a long talk about how steroids are bad, I think you would have to get a referal to an endocrinologist, and who knows how long that might take. I'm willing to give it a try, but I will have to look into it a little more. If I start doing steroids I want to have what I need for PCT when I need it, not three or four weeks after I see the doctor. I think that in discussing this we are on the verge of source posting and we have to be careful not to cross the fine line, although It would be good to know how doctors can help us in case our hormones ever do get screwed up because steroids can be harmful in that way.