God?

[AlladdinSane]

Belief in God. As in biblical God. Yay? Nay?


...Go.

[gsxr750]

Not some guy named Jesus but a higher power.. sure.. we are probably just some alien experiment though! :)

[BAM]

Yes.. as in an intelligent entity that oversees this existence and designed this world.

With regard to Biblical times, things were explained to the primitives in a way they could understand.

I certainly do not believe this existence is random, or a series of random events.

[St]

I go to church for the past few years love it,everytime i don't go i feel bad inside.One day i will past away and will be with Jesus.Very few people go to church anymore.

[O-Train]

As in the Earth is 6000yrs old and magical things happen? No. The existance of a "creator." I guess that might be possible. It makes me feel more comfortable believing than being cynical, other than that religion is about as real as Star Wars...but I like Star Wars more. I think most people fear the unknown and religion/creators fill that void.

Hypothetically if there were a God, what came before that? Where is the beginning? How does anything exist? Why is there anything?

[gustavo77]

As in the Earth is 6000yrs old and magical things happen? No. The existance of a "creator." I guess that might be possible. It makes me feel more comfortable believing than being cynical, other than that religion is about as real as Star Wars...but I like Star Wars more. I think most people fear the unknown and religion/creators fill that void.

Hypothetically if there were a God, what came before that? Where is the beginning? How does anything exist? Why is there anything?

The bible does not say that the earth was created 6000 years ago, it was re-created after the war in between the Angels.... anyways, i believe but i do not believe in the organized religions of this world cause they obviously CANNOT read.

Nothing came before God. He has always been. Kinda hard for the human mind to grasp but impossible?? There is an infinite universe out there so...

[O-Train]

The bible does not say that the earth was created 6000 years ago, it was re-created after the war in between the Angels.... anyways, i believe but i do not believe in the organized religions of this world cause they obviously CANNOT read.

Nothing came before God. He has always been. Kinda hard for the human mind to grasp but impossible?? There is an infinite universe out there so...

You realize of course how flawed what you just said is right? You're saying you don't believe in organized religion but everything you've ever learned and what you based your entire argument on was taught to you by...organized religion.

To me it's like saying. "I don't understand...so let's just call it God."

[champcar99]

Zeitgeist might interest some of you if you are interested in the idea of "organized religion" because it's all organized all of it....

[gustavo77]

You realize of course how flawed what you just said is right? You're saying you don't believe in organized religion but everything you've ever learned and what you based your entire argument on was taught to you by...organized religion.

To me it's like saying. "I don't understand...so let's just call it God."

What's flawed in the reasoning that i believe in God but do not believe in the organized religions of this world?? I never said what i believed other than that i believe in God. Secondly, i was not making an argument with you, i was just inferring that if you are gonna make a statement about a belief out of the bible, you should state it correctly...the bible does not say that the earth is 6000 years old.

[faller]

the bible does not say that the earth is 6000 years old.

True.. That is the belief of creationist's..

[srt8]

Religion is a gigantic crock of poop imo.

[canadianmuscle0803]

absolutely YES.. the GOD of the bible is definitely real, our very existence glorifies him, he is totally SOVEREIGN over all things and Jesus is the son of God who is God himself..

[canadianmuscle0803]

I go to church for the past few years love it,everytime i don't go i feel bad inside.One day i will past away and will be with Jesus.Very few people go to church anymore.

Going to church does not make you a christian, its a personal relationship between God and yourself that happens daily, you must truly accept Jesus and you will be changed from that belief alone.. the bible says that we must be born again.. i believe this in my very soul.. our spirits are totally dead to transgression, the only way our spirits can have life again is through the holy spirit which one is given when they accept Christ for who he truly is.. with that said, many claim they know Jesus but truly they do not..

[St]

absolutely YES.. the GOD of the bible is definitely real, our very existence glorifies him, he is totally SOVEREIGN over all things and Jesus is the son of God who is God himself..

You said it perfect.
:a+

[canadianmuscle0803]

Religion is a gigantic crock of poop imo.

what are your beliefs? do you believe we exist with no other purpose then do live this short life and die? please explain.

[waderow]

organized religion can kiss my ass. it is merely a business. and a good one at that. I wish i owned a church. people would push over granny to give me money

as far as bible. a good story

as far as a higher power? maybe, but i prefer scientific evolutionary evidence.

there is some pretty amazing shit that happens though.


i believe in energy. positive energy and negative energy affecting life.

[warlock]

Yeah I believe in GOD, bogeyman, Santa Claus, Eastern Bunny...
If you read the Bible you will see inconsistencies that are crazy.

In the old testament it was all about Ire and killing in teh new testament it is about love.

What is the turning point?

When did this god changed its mind?

[waderow]

Yeah I believe in GOD, bogeyman, Santa Claus, Eastern Bunny...
If you read the Bible you will see inconsistencies that are crazy.

In the old testament it was all about Ire and killing in teh new testament it is about love.

What is the turning point?

When did this god changed its mind?

the vatican decided there was more power and money in the new testament.


if only the general public could see ALL the records and scriptures hidden away in the vatican vaults.

There probably was a dude names jesus. And this dude was pretty cool. He helped people, and drifted around like a hippie teaching people some new crafts he had learned in his travels. Fishing. Shit like that. Probably was a vary gracious person. But thats it. he was just a hippie carpenter. A nice guy.

[Big D]

There was an interesting quote that a member on MN had in their sig.. Something to the effect of 'organized religion is like organized crime - It preys on the weak, generates huge profits for it's operators, and is almost impossible to eradicate.'

i totally agree, I use to go to church as a child my parents would force me.
i think church is bullshit, just seems to me a bunch of people being brainwashed.

[RagingRandy]

I guess the cop debate was not enough to stir the pot.

I am a born again Christian. I will be the first to admit that I am not perfect and a poor representation of God. I find that when people speak of religion they come away with bad feeling because they look at people that claim to be of a certain religion or faith but have no clue of what it actually represents. I can stand up and say I am Mexican but this means nothing if I do not have the heritage and experience to back my claims.

As far as Christianity is concerned I believe that it is not about a set of rules and regulations but a personal relationship with Christ. In order to do this you need to look to Christ and not to people who claim to know him. To know Christ you must read about him and what he taught. There is no denying that Christ was a real historical figure. There are many references outside the Bible that refer to his existence and miracles.

Understanding the will of God is difficult. As a personal example I have been trying for almost a year now to get my wife here from Cuba. It has been very trying at times. God and I have had some loud and emotional arguments. In the end I realize he is sovereign and knows better than I. I can not understand why God will not make this simply happen. I believe it is the best for myself and her. My very wise mother said to me one day that it is better for her to be introduce to Canada in the summer than the winter. As it turns out she should be here this summer.

In the end God acts to build our character not our comfort. Learning is a difficult process. To equate it with bodybuilding, would you have such a high sense of accomplishment if it only took a week to get buff? The Bible says "If you seek you will find.". If you truly want to know who Christ is you will find him.

[waderow]

I guess the cop debate was not enough to stir the pot.

I am a born again Christian. I will be the first to admit that I am not perfect and a poor representation of God. I find that when people speak of religion they come away with bad feeling because they look at people that claim to be of a certain religion or faith but have no clue of what it actually represents. I can stand up and say I am Mexican but this means nothing if I do not have the heritage and experience to back my claims.

As far as Christianity is concerned I believe that it is not about a set of rules and regulations but a personal relationship with Christ. In order to do this you need to look to Christ and not to people who claim to know him. To know Christ you must read about him and what he taught. There is no denying that Christ was a real historical figure. There are many references outside the Bible that refer to his existence and miracles.

Understanding the will of God is difficult. As a personal example I have been trying for almost a year now to get my wife here from Cuba. It has been very trying at times. God and I have had some loud and emotional arguments. In the end I realize he is sovereign and knows better than I. I can not understand why God will not make this simply happen. I believe it is the best for myself and her. My very wise mother said to me one day that it is better for her to be introduce to Canada in the summer than the winter. As it turns out she should be here this summer.

In the end God acts to build our character not our comfort. Learning is a difficult process. To equate it with bodybuilding, would you have such a high sense of accomplishment if it only took a week to get buff? The Bible says "If you seek you will find.". If you truly want to know who Christ is you will find him.

bro, instead of God, try an immigration consultant

[ironwill]

Personally, yes i believe in God...
What is your belief aladdin, you never stated...:handsome

[RagingRandy]

the vatican decided there was more power and money in the new testament.


if only the general public could see ALL the records and scriptures hidden away in the vatican vaults.

There probably was a dude names jesus. And this dude was pretty cool. He helped people, and drifted around like a hippie teaching people some new crafts he had learned in his travels. Fishing. Shit like that. Probably was a vary gracious person. But thats it. he was just a hippie carpenter. A nice guy.

He also claimed to be God. So, was he a lunatic or for real? I suspect, as nice and giving as I am, if I claimed to be God most would think I was a freak and distance themselves from me. All the people closest to Christ, except one who was exiled, died as martyrs. They believed his claim to be God and they knew him first hand.

[RagingRandy]

bro, instead of God, try an immigration consultant

I did. It is the Cuban side that is holding it up at this point. There is no recourse to challenge a decision once it has been made there.

[Shortdave]

What is your belief aladdin, you never stated...:handsome

Oh.... you shouldn't have asked that.

[Roid-Monkey]

i believe in the god of bodybuilding!

[whaler777]

God lives? I say Yes every time i'm in the wilderness it's so majestic and beautiful. I say Yes when i see some one give of them selves for others without pay back of any kind. I say Yes when i view the Planet from space and marvel at all it's wonder. I say Yes when i saw 911 happen and people were working together out of love to rebuild the human spirit. I say Yes when i hear the living God BREATH his spirit upon me and it brings me to my knees. I say Yes when i'm alone from the world and all it's craziness and find myself lost in his presence. The Power of Christ almighty is still at work today talk to any Missionary(brother or sister in the lord) they will tell you. A-men

[wrought]

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[natenator]

God lives? I say Yes every time i'm in the wilderness it's so majestic and beautiful. I say Yes when i see some one give of them selves for others without pay back of any kind. I say Yes when i view the Planet from space and marvel at all it's wonder. I say Yes when i saw 911 happen and people were working together out of love to rebuild the human spirit. I say Yes when i hear the living God BREATH his spirit upon me and it brings me to my knees. I say Yes when i'm alone from the world and all it's craziness and find myself lost in his presence. The Power of Christ almighty is still at work today talk to any Missionary(brother or sister in the lord) they will tell you. A-men
you get to view the planet from space? Nice. What you smokin and can I have some?

[ironwill]

Oh.... you shouldn't have asked that.
I never asked the question....he did....lolol..
sorry if its touchy..just curious....Now im really curious....
not that it makes a difference...i love all creatures equally....

[Shortdave]

I never asked the question....he did....lolol..
sorry if its touchy..just curious....Now im really curious....
not that it makes a difference...i love all creatures equally....

Oh no not touchy at all, it's just a very large can of worms with our friend Lukey.
This is pretty much the only area where he and I have a vastly different opinion on something.
He is an adamant NO! Where-as I am a yes, not a go-tell-it-on-the-mountain kind of yes, but I believe.

[ironwill]

Oh no not touchy at all, it's just a very large can of worms with our friend Lukey.
This is pretty much the only area where he and I have a vastly different opinion on something.
He is an adamant NO! Where-as I am a yes, not a go-tell-it-on-the-mountain kind of yes, but I believe.
Was that you knocking on our door last night dressed up in a suit carrying the Watchtower flyers???:greet

[turboturist]

There was an interesting quote that a member on MN had in their sig.. Something to the effect of 'organized religion is like organized crime - It preys on the weak, generates huge profits for it's operators, and is almost impossible to eradicate.'

Personally I think it's mostly a load of shit.. I believe in a higher power, 100%. Do I believe in some old guy up in the clouds that supposidly does right in the world, yet we live in the most ****ed up society and economy that you could even fathom, with nothing but greed, corruption, torture, death, and sadness? Nope, not one ****in' bit..

That was my sig, and as far as organized religion goes I believe it to be true.

What right now and has in the past caused most of the worlds conflicts? Differences in religion and race.

Does that mean people should not be spiritual? No.

I have no problems with peeps that have a belief but dont jam it down other peoples throats and even if you have differences you should still be kind to one another.

[canadianmuscle0803]

carm.org

An atheist is defined in two senses: Someone who says he believes there is no God, and someone who simply lacks belief in God. An atheist cannot say he knows there is no God, because he would have to know all things in order to know if there is or isn't a God. If he says he believes there is no God, ask him why he believes that way, and begin there. If he says he lacks belief in God, then ask what he does believe in, and start there. I always get around to the question of, "How did we get here?" Since creation and evolution are the only options, I have something further to work with.

Evolution has a lot of problems with it. It seems to me that it takes a lot of faith to believe that you developed out of ocean slime, simply by chance. At least as a Christian I have the evidence of the resurrection of Christ from eyewitnesses as recorded by them in the Gospels. Evolution or not, Jesus rose from the dead, said He was God, and forgave sins. I'll put my faith in Him instead of evolution.

An agnostic says he doesn't know if there is or isn't a God. (Usually after saying this I challenge them to explain the prophecies of the Old Testament fulfilled in the New. I state how the Bible is unique that way, and that only God can make prophecies that are 100&#37; accurate. Then I ask him to explain how that could be done if there is no God.)

If there is no God as you say, then in the end I lose nothing. But if there is a God like I say, in the end you lose everything.

Why don't you believe in God? Is there any reason for you to intelligently reject His existence? Or, do you simply desire not to believe in Him?

The Bible doesn't attempt to prove that God exists. It simply speaks as though He does. Maybe I can't prove to you there is a God, but I can introduce Him to you through His Son Jesus Christ, and you can judge for yourself if the Words of Christ in the Bible convince you of His existence.

[turboturist]

carm.org

An atheist is defined in two senses: Someone who says he believes there is no God, and someone who simply lacks belief in God. An atheist cannot say he knows there is no God, because he would have to know all things in order to know if there is or isn't a God. If he says he believes there is no God, ask him why he believes that way, and begin there. If he says he lacks belief in God, then ask what he does believe in, and start there. I always get around to the question of, "How did we get here?" Since creation and evolution are the only options, I have something further to work with.

Evolution has a lot of problems with it. It seems to me that it takes a lot of faith to believe that you developed out of ocean slime, simply by chance. At least as a Christian I have the evidence of the resurrection of Christ from eyewitnesses as recorded by them in the Gospels. Evolution or not, Jesus rose from the dead, said He was God, and forgave sins. I'll put my faith in Him instead of evolution.

An agnostic says he doesn't know if there is or isn't a God. (Usually after saying this I challenge them to explain the prophecies of the Old Testament fulfilled in the New. I state how the Bible is unique that way, and that only God can make prophecies that are 100&#37; accurate. Then I ask him to explain how that could be done if there is no God.)

If there is no God as you say, then in the end I lose nothing. But if there is a God like I say, in the end you lose everything.

Why don't you believe in God? Is there any reason for you to intelligently reject His existence? Or, do you simply desire not to believe in Him?

The Bible doesn't attempt to prove that God exists. It simply speaks as though He does. Maybe I can't prove to you there is a God, but I can introduce Him to you through His Son Jesus Christ, and you can judge for yourself if the Words of Christ in the Bible convince you of His existence.

See and that right there is where the problem with organized religion is IMO.

How can you pick a religion that is less than 2000 years old when we have been on this planet a hell of a lot longer than that?

Don't you think that your GOD would of let you know he was around when we first got here instead of waiting several thousand years to do so?

[RagingRandy]

That was my sig, and as far as organized religion goes I believe it to be true.

What right now and has in the past caused most of the worlds conflicts? Differences in religion and race.

Does that mean people should not be spiritual? No.

I have no problems with peeps that have a belief but dont jam it down other peoples throats and even if you have differences you should still be kind to one another.

In an evolutionary sense why be kind? I thought it was survival of the fittest.

You speak of all the harm religion has caused and I will not dispute that people have used religion as an excuse to do great harm. But, when tragedy strikes around the world you will see that it is the countries that are labeled "Christian" be the first to step up and help out. When was the last time you heard of any Arab nation sending aid?

Years ago, before I was a Christian, I thought that people were trying to cram things down my throat. In the end I realized it was me not wanting to face truth and reality. Good luck with your journey.

[RagingRandy]

See and that right there is where the problem with organized religion is IMO.

How can you pick a religion that is less than 2000 years old when we have been on this planet a hell of a lot longer than that?

Don't you think that your GOD would of let you know he was around when we first got here instead of waiting several thousand years to do so?

I do not see what you are refering to in your first sentence.

It is not a matter of picking a religion but a person. Christianity had its roots in Judaism which is dates back a few thousand more years. Judaism and the believers prior to it being labeled such looked forward to the Saviour coming. This was their great hope. We today look back to that same event as our hope.

[AlladdinSane]

Oh.... you shouldn't have asked that.

HA!

[AlladdinSane]

There is no God.

[turboturist]

I do not see what you are refering to in your first sentence.


What I was referring to is what I quoted from CM, every religion thinks they are right and that their "guy" is king shit of turd mountain. And if you don't practice me you go to "hell".

So for me this is where it all pisses me off. The very childish argument of "I am right and you are wrong" bull shit.

[AlbertaBeef]

I just have say quickly that Christianity is NOT a religion, it is a relationship that one has with God through Christ out high priest. Religion is what Jesus denounced as the pharisees and sadducees had turned judaism into religion bilking the widows and the poor much like organized religion is known for today. 4000 yrs of recorded history and prophecies in the canon of scripture apocryphal or not that are geoligically, scientifically and historically proven (ya, ya for all you mormons except the exodus....YET!!). After the warm and fuzzies of your faith that even makes a muslim run into a building with a bomb strapped to him you have to study, investigate and look for the facts for proper apologetics.

[canadianmuscle0803]

See and that right there is where the problem with organized religion is IMO.

How can you pick a religion that is less than 2000 years old when we have been on this planet a hell of a lot longer than that?

Don't you think that your GOD would of let you know he was around when we first got here instead of waiting several thousand years to do so?

Christianity is around 2,000 yrs old just due to the fact that Jesus died and rose again for sinners at that time, but does that take away what God did from the beginning of time? of course not! Jesus always existed as the son of God, but he only became a man 2,000 yrs ago in order that he may forgive sinners, God has always been around just look at the old testament, he spoke directly to Abraham, Moses and so on.. he chose certain individuals to speak to in order that he may be Glorified as the ONE true God, God has always been around since the beginning of time (whatever that may be, this can be debated over and over)

[NorthOf60]

I don't need to follow a religion to feel fulfilled in my life. Some people do and there is nothing wrong with that. I don't really care what anybody believes in as long as they are decent and kind to other people. If you have a belief then good for you, but don't force it onto other people, be civilized and explain your beliefs and let people make there own choices. The problem that has happened with a lot of popular religions is that there are always a few crackpots and sadists out there that corrupt the true idea of religion and feel to take it upon themselves to force their beliefs on everyone else at any cost.

As for evolution. Why can't people believe in religion and evolution? Sure the bible says that god made the universe in 7 days. Well if you are god what is 7 days, it could really be millions of years. Think about when the bible and the stories were created. How would you have explained way back then that it took millions of years and expect people to understand. So like most stories it got bent a bit to make it easier to understand and pass along. The point of that part of the bible is not that god created the universe in 7 days or millions of years but that god created the universe.

Look at the Muslim faith and the Koran. The true belief of the Koran is to be peaceful and loving. Not blow yourself and others up for 40 virgins. Unfortunately the Koran just like the bible has been twisted by a few sick and twisted people that want to use peoples faiths into doing their bidding tp satisfy their desire for power.

Christianity, Muslim, Buddhism, North American Indian .... are all beautiful beliefs at their core and true self. They all believe in kindness and peace. Their intent is to give people a way to follow a good and peaceful life and that is the religion and beliefs that I follow. When I do die and if there is a maker, well if that maker doesn't think that is good enough then I say the loss is theirs.

[gustavo77]

Christianity is around 2,000 yrs old just due to the fact that Jesus died and rose again for sinners at that time, but does that take away what God did from the beginning of time? of course not! Jesus always existed as the son of God...

Actually Christ was not always the "Son" of God. John: 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was also God."

The greek word for Word, is spokesman. In Genesis it's says that God spoke and things were created. Christ was that creator or "spokesman". God the Father created everything through Jesus Christ. When God spoke to humans in the old testament, it was Christ the spokesman. God the Father does everything through Christ.

[canadianmuscle0803]

Actually Christ was not always the "Son" of God. John: 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was also God."

The greek word for Word, is spokesman. In Genesis it's says that God spoke and things were created. Christ was that creator or "spokesman". God the Father created everything through Jesus Christ. When God spoke to humans in the old testament, it was Christ the spokesman. God the Father does everything through Christ.

your right.. my bad.. i've been slacking lately, i need a refreshment in my theology.

[gustavo77]

your right.. my bad.. i've been slacking lately, i need a refreshment in my theology.

Lol...i am feeling religious today, so i thought i'd put in 2-3cents worth...was not trying to prove anyone wrong, sorry if it seemed that way..

That said, you should really put in some study time...lol..

[RagingRandy]

As for evolution. Why can't people believe in religion and evolution? Sure the bible says that god made the universe in 7 days.


The reason is that according to the Bible there was no death prior to the first sin of Man. For evolution to be true then there would have been many cycles of death prior to sin entering the world.

As for people being nice and civil.....From an evolutionary standpoint how is this possible? One of the premises of evolution is the survival of the fittest". This does not square with being nice, kind, and generous.

[AlladdinSane]

Actually Christ was not always the "Son" of God. John: 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was also God."


Varies by translation.

[RagingRandy]

Varies by translation.

The only translation that differs in meaning that I know of is the Bible the JWs use. They also have no rational why they have distorted this verse as it is clear in all manuscripts. But it would go against what they believe.

[gustavo77]

Varies by translation.

The meaning of the original Greek text never changed, only man's "interpretations" or "translations" have. ;)

[rufusrocks]

I guess the cop debate was not enough to stir the pot.

I am a born again Christian. I will be the first to admit that I am not perfect and a poor representation of God. I find that when people speak of religion they come away with bad feeling because they look at people that claim to be of a certain religion or faith but have no clue of what it actually represents. I can stand up and say I am Mexican but this means nothing if I do not have the heritage and experience to back my claims.

As far as Christianity is concerned I believe that it is not about a set of rules and regulations but a personal relationship with Christ. In order to do this you need to look to Christ and not to people who claim to know him. To know Christ you must read about him and what he taught. There is no denying that Christ was a real historical figure. There are many references outside the Bible that refer to his existence and miracles.

Understanding the will of God is difficult. As a personal example I have been trying for almost a year now to get my wife here from Cuba. It has been very trying at times. God and I have had some loud and emotional arguments. In the end I realize he is sovereign and knows better than I. I can not understand why God will not make this simply happen. I believe it is the best for myself and her. My very wise mother said to me one day that it is better for her to be introduce to Canada in the summer than the winter. As it turns out she should be here this summer.

In the end God acts to build our character not our comfort. Learning is a difficult process. To equate it with bodybuilding, would you have such a high sense of accomplishment if it only took a week to get buff? The Bible says "If you seek you will find.". If you truly want to know who Christ is you will find him.


Well put, glad to hear your wife will be with you. I once heard the only difference between beilevers and non-belivers is believers are forgiven. Is that the gospel not really.

The Gospel(Good News) is so simple so everyone could be saved. Just like Jesus said John 3:16,17 For God so loved the World he sent his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him shall NOT perish but have ever lasting life. For God sent NOT his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved. (Greek interlinear translation).

cheers

[warlock]

Man is an emotional being that likes to believe to be logical, therefore humans use logic to justify anything; including the existence of imaginary friends...

[gustavo77]

Man is an emotional being that likes to believe to be logical, therefore humans use logic to justify anything; including the existence of imaginary friends...

Man is a limited being with limited comprehension... a being that will come to absolute conclusions based upon only what he/she SEES.

[warlock]

The serial killer said: "I didn't kill anyone! I just opened the holes GOD killed them"

[Drummer]

cant prove anything lol

~DB~