Personal income tax cuts for 2009 budget...

[ironwill]

So they are saying in the media, the finance minister is looking to make cuts in our personal income tax for the new budget to help stimulate the economy...
Interest is low, and i guess they dont have much else to go to...
It is about time, i thought income tax was temporary in war time only....I believe it was supposed to have ended in the late 40's...
fingers are crossed...

[St]

This is no good for me i have no job,just got laided off last month,oh well going to school for free from the Ontario Goverment.Liberals yaaaaa baby .

[gsxr750]

Gotta love that program eh Tones? I have a family member who signs the applications :) I hope my work will lay me off soon.. up to a maximum $30K in tuition and cost of living coverage. Even pay for your bus pass.. and daycare.

[natenator]

not sure why people complain so much about taxes. Sure, I don't like it either and I easily pay more than my fair share (taxed 52% last year before write-offs) but it's worth the price if it means that I do not have to pay out of pocket for health care. If we had a system like the US and people didn't not have health insurance they'd be forced to pay for health care.

Imagine your child getting sick and being forced to choose between your house and your child. That's reality for a lot of Americans.

[faller]

not sure why people complain so much about taxes. Sure, I don't like it either and I easily pay more than my fair share (taxed 52% last year before write-offs) but it's worth the price if it means that I do not have to pay out of pocket for health care. If we had a system like the US and people didn't not have health insurance they'd be forced to pay for health care.

Imagine your child getting sick and being forced to choose between your house and your child. That's reality for a lot of Americans.

Uummm health insurance......

[#8]

Uummm health insurance......

LMAO.....i had similar thoughts.

ive got a question for you natenator. do the math and see how much 52% of your pay was, then figure out how much "free healthcare" you actually needed / used. money well spent?

[natenator]

LMAO.....i had similar thoughts.

ive got a question for you natenator. do the math and see how much 52% of your pay was, then figure out how much "free healthcare" you actually needed / used. money well spent?
I am fortunate enough that if this was the US I could afford health insurance. People in my position are not who I am referring to (in case you folks can't which you guys proved that you can't). It is the millions who are without health insurance.

But, what I use right now is not the question. How much will I use over the next 30 or 40 years? How much would it cost if I didn't have health insurance and me and my fiance had a baby? How much would it cost me if my AAS usage led to health complications?

Not all 52% of my tax dollars go to health care. One major event and I'd be screwed if I didn't live in a country that had universal health coverage.

For the record...I was in a serious sports accident when I was younger that required major surgery and a year of hardcore rehab. My mom had limited health coverage to pay for the medication. If not for tax dollars (OHIP) to pay for the operation I'd STILL be paying it off today.

People are way to short-sighted with things like this but will usually be the first to cry foul if some of the social programs that were benefiting them were taken away. Those of you in school...we should get rid of OSAP. Sure most of that is a loan from the banks but a portion of it is paid for by the Government...

[#8]

Im not against "free healthcare" to which you are referring at all. Anyone who is against universal healthcare is a bumbling fool. I agree with most of what you said, with the exception of 52% of your income being taken from you before you see it being justified. Obviously not all of it goes to healthcare. Where do you draw the line? Is 62% ok? How about 72%? My belief is that for what we pay into this system, we are not getting even close to what we deserve in terms of quality. Two tier healthcare in Canada makes sense for those who can afford to use it to help reduce backlog in emergency rooms (both federal Liberal and NDP politicians use private healthcare). Also my objections regarding high taxes are the cut off points in which one is decided to be "wealthy" in the eyes of the federal gov't. I may be a little bit off but I believe the current cut off point is around $70 in which you fall in the 40-45% tax bracket (those who are self employed are excused for different tax exemption write offs and creative accounting). The notion that someone deserves to lose half their income at 70K is utterly absurd. I wouldnt even consider someone making 100K to be close to wealthy in terms of how much they should have to give away. I guess what Im trying to say is that for what we pay, we dont see very much except for this incredible "free healthcare".

[LORDBLiTZ]

**** the tax man right up his corn hole with a chainsaw.

I just saw what i paid in tax last year.

These cocksmokers can choke on it.

[Houstonbc]

i cant say im overly enthused when i see 1200 every 2 weeks coming off the top of my cheque in income tax...

[faller]

a bumbling fool. .

And you wouldn't know it by looking at me :ne


A two tier system is the only thing that will save our health care. If we don't implement this system our "cherished" health care will be doomed to fail..


It is the millions who are without health insurance.

I keep forgetting we live in Canada where everytime i get a paycheck there are 5 hands reaching out to take a peice of it. Sorry bro but i'm tired of working my ass off to support people who are "less fortunate"


People are way to short-sighted with things like this but will usually be the first to cry foul if some of the social programs that were benefiting them were taken away.


What social program's? I get non, i even have to pay extra for some things when i go to the Doc.

[natenator]

And you wouldn't know it by looking at me :ne


A two tier system is the only thing that will save our health care. If we don't implement this system our "cherished" health care will be doomed to fail..



I keep forgetting we live in Canada where everytime i get a paycheck there are 5 hands reaching out to take a peice of it. Sorry bro but i'm tired of working my ass off to support people who are "less fortunate"




What social program's? I get non, i even have to pay extra for some things when i go to the Doc.
do you have a baby? Plan on having kids? Or god forbid you end up with a heart condition and ned surgery. Then you'd be changing your tune about what you;d be willing to pay for.

I never said anything about welfare programs which aim to help the lazy. But I certainly don't have a problem with any of my money going towards things like health care, OSAP loans and things of the same nature.

Again, I reitterate... some people may not need some of the GOOD programs right now but what if you did? Its the what if thatg we're paying ofr unfortunately.

[St]

Gotta love that program eh Tones? I have a family member who signs the applications :) I hope my work will lay me off soon.. up to a maximum $30K in tuition and cost of living coverage. Even pay for your bus pass.. and daycare.


Is it that much,i have a appointment to see someone about it,but you got to love it free buss pass wow,plus i paid into EI for 9 years straight.I will let everyone one this site know how the System works.

[ironwill]

Uummm health insurance......

I thought the same, Plus ever try having a serious health problem and needing to get in to the doc.....Very , very inefficient...If i ran my business like the health care system, id be broke

[Bowlcut]

So they are saying in the media, the finance minister is looking to make cuts in our personal income tax for the new budget to help stimulate the economy...
Interest is low, and i guess they dont have much else to go to...
It is about time, i thought income tax was temporary in war time only....I believe it was supposed to have ended in the late 40's...
fingers are crossed...

I think the income tax was first introduced in WWI. Governments use war as a means to increase their power into the private lives of individuals and like most power, it is never given back.

We can all hope the cut spending too.

[faller]

I thought the same, Plus ever try having a serious health problem and needing to get in to the doc.....Very , very inefficient...If i ran my business like the health care system, id be broke

No kidding. The only thing about our cherished health care is we are all , every single one of use, entitled to the same shitty service.

[natenator]

I thought the same, Plus ever try having a serious health problem and needing to get in to the doc.....Very , very inefficient...If i ran my business like the health care system, id be broke
I never have any problems. US have the same systematic problems it just so happens that if you have $$$ you can pay for service.

[faller]

it just so happens that if you have $$$ you can pay for service.

Those evil American's!! Imagine have a choice? Un****ing exceptable!!!!

[natenator]

Those evil American's!! Imagine have a choice? Un****ing exceptable!!!!
You have a choice here in Canada too. We have private health care here. It's just not publicized. And, you can go to the US and pay for health care there as well.

We have options.

[gsxr750]

Is it that much,i have a appointment to see someone about it,but you got to love it free buss pass wow,plus i paid into EI for 9 years straight.I will let everyone one this site know how the System works.

Yes, and you can use ALL of it. So if your courses only cost you $15 grand, you can use the other $15 grand towards cost of living expenses etc. I just e-mailed him and i'll let you know the facts so you know what you can negotiate in your interview :)

They have millions of dollars in the fund for this program and it's not being used because nobody knew about it for when they get layed off.

Makes me want to put a white page ad in the paper and be a consultant.. layed off? Want to be retrained for free and paid living while you do it complements of your tax dollars? Guaranteed. $250

[wrought]

Meh, the private treatment is available now and if you've got the money to pay for the clinics you can get your treatment right away. Its just an assumption, but it seems like the people who always whine about us needing privatized health care either never actually had an issue where they truly needed to see somebody faster or they simply don't have the $$$ to pay for the private service.

But back to the original topic, TAXES! I'll put up a small double-double that Stevie is going to make a big event out of putting through a budget full of pork and tax cuts as a lead up to the upcoming no-confidence vote/general election. Any takers? :)

[gsxr750]

Here's the deal w/ the program if you're layed off Tones:

2 years in a community college, which can include up to a 12 month academic upgrade prior to college if required. $28,000 CAP, which includes tuition, books. Daycare can be approved also but it does not count towards your $28K cap.

Living supports (EI extensions) can be considered over the two years as long as the total cost of the program, tuition, books and living allowance ( which is paid at $400/week maximum ) do not exceed $28,000.

Also if the costs end up over $28,000 the client can make 'their contribution' to offset the extra costs.

Just approved a guy who was layed off as a computer tech for $28,000 in flight training.

[ironwill]

I never have any problems. US have the same systematic problems it just so happens that if you have $$$ you can pay for service.
you are lucky....

[Bowlcut]

The USA has tons of health care problems but as a percentage of GDP their governments spend more on it than in Canada.
Fact is that Medicare, Medicaid, and the Prescription Drug Benefit inflate costs and decrease competition.

Maybe I am bitter from all the bad experiences I have had, but if I was a private business and somebody called to make and appointment and it took me 14months to reply I would be out of business ASAP.

[faller]

But back to the original topic, TAXES! I'll put up a small double-double that Stevie is going to make a big event out of putting through a budget full of pork and tax cuts as a lead up to the upcoming no-confidence vote/general election. Any takers? :)

That's a sucker's bet :D

Got to love a government fighting for it's life. I'll take the tax break and than some happily!!

[wrought]

That's a sucker's bet :D

Okay, how about this then, double or nothing (we're talking large double-double here), as soon as they announce the tax cut and porky budget there will be multi-page thread on here about how this new budget is absolute proof that Steve-O cares about the needs of "real" canadians and must be allowed to stay on as Pie Minister! :flagC

[natenator]

The USA has tons of health care problems but as a percentage of GDP their governments spend more on it than in Canada.
Fact is that Medicare, Medicaid, and the Prescription Drug Benefit inflate costs and decrease competition.

Maybe I am bitter from all the bad experiences I have had, but if I was a private business and somebody called to make and appointment and it took me 14months to reply I would be out of business ASAP.
Well you have an option. Make your principal residence outside of Canada and then use private health care facilities to pay for the health services that you need.

[#8]

Okay, how about this then, double or nothing (we're talking large double-double here), as soon as they announce the tax cut and porky budget there will be multi-page thread on here about how this new budget is absolute proof that Steve-O cares about the needs of "real" canadians and must be allowed to stay on as Pie Minister! :flagC

i wanna be PIE minister. that sounds like a sweet job! pumpkin, rhubarb, apple, pecan.....all day long....mmmmmm diabetes!

[faller]

Okay, how about this then, double or nothing (we're talking large double-double here), as soon as they announce the tax cut and porky budget there will be multi-page thread on here about how this new budget is absolute proof that Steve-O cares about the needs of "real" canadians and must be allowed to stay on as Pie Minister! :flagC

That one i'll take!!! That multi page thread will morph after 3 post's into how awsome our health care system is.. :yeah

[natenator]

That one i'll take!!! That multi page thread will morph after 3 post's into how awsome our health care system is.. :yeah
Try to not make assumptions - you look like a fool when you do. I've admited our health care system has flaws. EVERYTHING in our lives have flaws but if you can find a better system then feel free to move yourself there or if you think you can do a better job... run for political office and change the system from the inside.

[ironwill]

Try to not make assumptions - you look like a fool when you do. I've admited our health care system has flaws. EVERYTHING in our lives have flaws but if you can find a better system then feel free to move yourself there or if you think you can do a better job... run for political office and change the system from the inside.
obviously you have never had a family member or anyone close to you be extremely ill and watch them suffer agony, and then have the healthcare system bumbling and make you drive 5 hours to get a test, then once you arrive, they say...Oh you can get this done locally, and then off you go back home to await your new appointment...I am talking from several negative experiences with myself, and close friends...It is ludicrous...
And who the hell are you to tell anyone to leave....pfffft...Give your head a shake and quit being nieve/arrogant, it doesnt look good on ya.....Are you the pie ministers son???

Back to topic...Tax cuts for the win.........
my spouse and i pay 6 figures in tax and i am getting tired of it..., we cant even get a family doctor for her locally...Terrible..

[fit226]

i cant say im overly enthused when i see 1200 every 2 weeks coming off the top of my cheque in income tax...

So your upwards of $170 000 a year in income? wow, what do you do?

[natenator]

obviously you have never had a family member or anyone close to you be extremely ill and watch them suffer agony, and then have the healthcare system bumbling and make you drive 5 hours to get a test, then once you arrive, they say...Oh you can get this done locally, and then off you go back home to await your new appointment...I am talking from several negative experiences with myself, and close friends...It is ludicrous...
And who the hell are you to tell anyone to leave....pfffft...Give your head a shake and quit being nieve/arrogant, it doesnt look good on ya.....Are you the pie ministers son???

Back to topic...Tax cuts for the win.........
my spouse and i pay 6 figures in tax and i am getting tired of it..., we cant even get a family doctor for her locally...Terrible..
Your assumptions make you look foolish as well. I've definitely had family members suffer the hands of our health care system but I will stick to my guns that if yuou don't like it then move to a country that has a better system or pay for private health care. Do you know of another country which has a better medical system?

As I said in this thread as well I've had a serious accident playing sports when I was younger and thank god for the health care that I did have because I'd either be broke, dead or a cripple today without it so I willl gladly thank the tax payers for making sure neither of those happened to me.

The fact you can't get a Doctor has little to do with the Government. It has to do with there are no Doctors that want to practice in your area or where you live has grown so much that it is difficult to grow the medical system at the same pace.

[natenator]

So your upwards of $170 000 a year in income? wow, what do you do?
that's only $28K in taxes...

[fit226]

Back to topic...Tax cuts for the win.........
my spouse and i pay 6 figures in tax and i am getting tired of it..

What the heck do you guys do for a living. Paying 6 figures in tax, you have to be grossing in the range of 200 000 each. Thats alot of dough.

[faller]

Try to not make assumptions - you look like a fool when you do.

Are you saying it's a fools bet?? ;)

[fit226]

that's only $28K in taxes...

its actually 31200...thats alot of taxes...Maybe i am not seeing it as much on my paycheck as i max out on RRSP's therefore i get the tax break bi-weekly on my pay stub.

[natenator]

What the heck do you guys do for a living. Paying 6 figures in tax, you have to be grossing in the range of 200 000 each. Thats alot of dough.
VP of Marketing here.

[natenator]

its actually 31200...thats alot of taxes...Maybe i am not seeing it as much on my paycheck as i max out on RRSP's therefore i get the tax break bi-weekly on my pay stub.
LOL. I'd kill to have taxes of only $32K/yr. My taxes before deductions last year was just shy of $120K. Thank god for RRSP, investment and other deductions

[gsxr750]

Hire me Nate.. I give a great dutch rudder

[turboturist]

So your upwards of $170 000 a year in income? wow, what do you do?

How the hell does 1200 every two weeks equate to 170k in earnings?

1200*26 pay peroids = $31,200 in tax.

I pay more tax than that a year and I guarantee you I dont make 170k.

[fit226]

LOL. I'd kill to have taxes of only $32K/yr. My taxes before deductions last year was just shy of $120K. Thank god for RRSP, investment and other deductions

thats absolutely rediculous....

[turboturist]

Holly shit there were a bunch of posts in side of 2 min.

[natenator]

thats absolutely rediculous....
It is a lot. I don't deny that. I am very fortunate to be good at what I do and have the ability to make employers see the value (revenue increases, investment efficiences) that I can bring.

As a marketing professional though you never know when you are going to be out of a job so it's always wise to get as much as you can when you can get it. lol

[St]

Yes, and you can use ALL of it. So if your courses only cost you $15 grand, you can use the other $15 grand towards cost of living expenses etc. I just e-mailed him and i'll let you know the facts so you know what you can negotiate in your interview :)

They have millions of dollars in the fund for this program and it's not being used because nobody knew about it for when they get layed off.

Makes me want to put a white page ad in the paper and be a consultant.. layed off? Want to be retrained for free and paid living while you do it complements of your tax dollars? Guaranteed. $250


Thanks.

[wrought]

...run for political office and change the system from the inside.

Screw that, we can change the system from the outside... the easiest way is from a rooftop with a clear shot..uh...view of the house of parliament in Ottawa.

[natenator]

Screw that, we can change the system from the outside... the easiest way is from a rooftop with a clear shot..uh...view of the house of parliament in Ottawa.
one problem with that. One should not mix business with pleasure ;)

[faller]

LMAO!!! I saved that pic, it's f-ing awesome!!!

[fit226]

How the hell does 1200 every two weeks equate to 170k in earnings?

1200*28 pay peroids = $33,600 in tax.

I pay more tax than that a year and I guarantee you I dont make 170k.

haha, how many weeks in your year...last time i checked there were 52 which equates to 26 pay periods if your bi-weekly.

[turboturist]

haha, how many weeks in your year...last time i checked there were 52 which equates to 26 pay periods if your bi-weekly.

lmao ya my **** up, but still how does 1200 every two weeks equate to 170k a year?

[fit226]

lmao ya my **** up, but still how does 1200 every two weeks equate to 170k a year?

sorry, my calculations were off too...It all depends on the province you live in too as federal tax calculation is 29% for over 100 000 gross. While provincial tax is 11% for ontario but 24% for Quebec...

My bad too..

[fit226]

this is why everyone should max out RRSPS...especially now as you can buy alot of blocks for cheap waiting for the economic turn around.

[turboturist]

this is why everyone should max out RRSPS...especially now as you can buy alot of blocks for cheap waiting for the economic turn around.

That is easy enough to say but when you have 4 kids and a wife that stays at home and looks after the kids it is not so easy.

[turboturist]

Talking about taxes here is an estimator to see what you may owe or get back.

http://www.walterharder.ca/T1.html

[fit226]

That is easy enough to say but when you have 4 kids and a wife that stays at home and looks after the kids it is not so easy.

Don't get me wrong bro. I only suggest this if your financially able to and doesn't leave you strapped for everyday living and lifes necessities.

[#8]

Your assumptions make you look foolish as well. I've definitely had family members suffer the hands of our health care system but I will stick to my guns that if yuou don't like it then move to a country that has a better system or pay for private health care. Do you know of another country which has a better medical system?

As I said in this thread as well I've had a serious accident playing sports when I was younger and thank god for the health care that I did have because I'd either be broke, dead or a cripple today without it so I willl gladly thank the tax payers for making sure neither of those happened to me.

The fact you can't get a Doctor has little to do with the Government. It has to do with there are no Doctors that want to practice in your area or where you live has grown so much that it is difficult to grow the medical system at the same pace.

France has a MUCH better healthcare system with less tax

[#8]

Your assumptions make you look foolish as well. I've definitely had family members suffer the hands of our health care system but I will stick to my guns that if yuou don't like it then move to a country that has a better system or pay for private health care. Do you know of another country which has a better medical system?

As I said in this thread as well I've had a serious accident playing sports when I was younger and thank god for the health care that I did have because I'd either be broke, dead or a cripple today without it so I willl gladly thank the tax payers for making sure neither of those happened to me.

The fact you can't get a Doctor has little to do with the Government. It has to do with there are no Doctors that want to practice in your area or where you live has grown so much that it is difficult to grow the medical system at the same pace.

Dude honestly you need to go to bed real soon...."The fact you can't get a Doctor has little to do with the Government"....it has EVERYTHING to do with gov't. Have you heard of the "brain drain" problem that still exists within Trained physicians heading south for real money and opportunities (with much less income tax)? Ironwill has made several valid points and you continue to spew your commie bullshi!t all over the place saying how lucky we all are. If you love the system so much donate ALL your paycheck and work for food until you get sick then cash in on all the wonderful social programs and "free healthcare" that exists here. You have Jack Layton written all over you.

[natenator]

France has a MUCH better healthcare system with less tax
facts please

[#8]

facts please

honestly dude your asking me for proof proves you know nothing of what you are talking about.

let me know when you are reading to sign over all your paycheck, i will provide you with the bare necessities of life so you can survive. deal?

http://www.saultthisweek.com/ArticleDisplayGenContent.aspx?e=5120

[natenator]

Dude honestly you need to go to bed real soon...."The fact you can't get a Doctor has little to do with the Government"....it has EVERYTHING to do with gov't. Have you heard of the "brain drain" problem that still exists within Trained physicians heading south for real money and opportunities (with much less income tax)? Ironwill has made several valid points and you continue to spew your commie bullshi!t all over the place saying how lucky we all are. If you love the system so much donate ALL your paycheck and work for food until you get sick then cash in on all the wonderful social programs and "free healthcare" that exists here. You have Jack Layton written all over you.
Take your slander elsewhere. If you cannot debate this topic without calling me a "commie" then you should leave the discussion or sit quietly :D

I did not say it was not partly our Government's fault. Learn to read please and don't take out of context. But, how do you think Doctors get paid? With our tax dollars. How do you supppose we lure top talent if you aren't willing to pay them more to be here? I have zero problem lowering the tax bracket of Doctors but then the lefty types will complain about unfair taxation standards the same way they do about business receiving tax breaks.

I pay way more than my share in taxes which likely helped put your ass through school. I sure would enjoy having more of it in my pocket. I could use a new mercedez CLS 500 in my driveway ;) But I am not about to do it if it means less health care that we (apparently) already receive.

[#8]

Take your slander elsewhere. If you cannot debate this topic without calling me a "commie" then you should leave the discussion or sit quietly :D

I did not say it was not partly our Government's fault. Learn to read please and don't take out of context. But, how do you think Doctors get paid? With our tax dollars. How do you supppose we lure top talent if you aren't willing to pay them more to be here? I have zero problem lowering the tax bracket of Doctors but then the lefty types will complain about unfair taxation standards the same way they do about business receiving tax breaks.

I pay way more than my share in taxes which likely helped put your ass through school. I sure would enjoy having more of it in my pocket. I could use a new mercedez CLS 500 in my driveway ;) But I am not about to do it if it means less health care that we (apparently) already receive.

"slander" is spoken deffamation. i think what you are referring to is called "libel" and its only valid in court if what i am saying is untrue, when clearly you vote NDP which makes you a COMMIE in my eyes, so quit your crying and read that full article. (if you have the attention span to do so)

[turboturist]

Looking through this thread again and trying to take in what your all saying is funny because your all right in one way or another and you all have made valid points when it comes to the health care etc.

Depending on where you live in the country, if you live in rural or in an urban area, what province etc etc.

I don't like paying so much in taxes either but with all the surgeries I have had over the last few years I sure as hell would not want to be paying those medical bills out of my pocket. I also have had a couple friends in the US that have gotten cancer and thought they had decent health care insurance and now they are so far in debt they may never get out of it because of the cost of the treatments they had to go through.

You are all right, it just depends on your specific situation in life at this point and I would probly bet that opinions would change in a few years as your place in life changes. It is all relevant. JM2C

[natenator]

honestly dude your asking me for proof proves you know nothing of what you are talking about.

let me know when you are reading to sign over all your paycheck, i will provide you with the bare necessities of life so you can survive. deal?

http://www.saultthisweek.com/ArticleDisplayGenContent.aspx?e=5120
ahh you need to look at tax rates as a percentage of GDP. According research from 2005 (can't find updated stats) france is among the top who impose the biggest tax burdens on famies (direct quote... see if you can find it :D)

France:

Single, no kids: 50.1%
Married, 2 kids: 41.7%


Canada:

Single, no kids: 31.6%
Married, 2 kids: 21.5%


Now I am sure you will spin this just as I was able to spin yours by suggesting we look at taxes as a % of GDP.

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/P148855.asp

Can anyone find an updated model?

[natenator]

"slander" is spoken deffamation. i think what you are referring to is called "libel" and its only valid in court if what i am saying is untrue, when clearly you vote NDP which makes you a COMMIE in my eyes, so quit your crying and read that full article. (if you have the attention span to do so)
You sound like someone who is still in school or just got out and have yet to experience the reality of life yet ;)

[#8]

ahh you need to look at tax rates as a percentage of GDP. According research from 2005 (can't find updated stats) france is among the top who impose the biggest tax burdens on famies (direct quote... see if you can find it :D)

France:

Single, no kids: 50.1%
Married, 2 kids: 41.7%


Canada:

Single, no kids: 31.6%
Married, 2 kids: 21.5%


Now I am sure you will spin this just as I was able to spin yours by suggesting we look at taxes as a % of GDP.

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/P148855.asp

Can anyone find an updated model?

can you find an actual relevant article related to specific income taxes in canada like i did, written by a canadian (like i did)? NDP did pretty well in the last election.....oh wait.....they really didnt.....lol

[#8]

You sound like someone who is still in school or just got out and have yet to experience the reality of life yet ;)

i actually am in school studying politics and law. as for you subsidising my schooling i pay for it all with a line of credit in my own name. i also own my own car and work full time while in school full time to pay for both? nah, no real life experience here at all. i also play college level athletics and have the hottest gf ive ever seen. what do you do? whats the REALITY of your life?

[turboturist]

Dude honestly you need to go to bed real soon...."The fact you can't get a Doctor has little to do with the Government"....it has EVERYTHING to do with gov't.

Does it have something to do with the goverment, for sure, but everything?

That is a pretty broad statement, dont forget the the shear size of our country bro, there are lots of little rural areas that cant find a doctor or get one to come there because of how remote it is or the lack of patients amoung other reasons. So again your right but Nate is not totally incorrect in his statement either.

IW's situations is different as they live close to a major center but there are other instances to consider.

[#8]

Does it have something to do with the goverment, for sure, but everything?

That is a pretty broad statement, dont forget the the shear size of our country bro, there are lots of little rural areas that cant find a doctor or get one to come there because of how remote it is or the lack of patients amoung other reasons. So again your right but Nate is not totally incorrect in his statement either.

IW's situations is different as they live close to a major center but there are other instances to consider.

Good question. Im happy you brought that up. My sisters husband has an MD and has practiced medicine in europe for many years. he moved back to canada to start his own practice but cannot find a job due to the influx of immigrants willing to buy their way into a practice. If you think this is rumor or myth it is not. There are several loopholes one can find if you have the right connections and the right amount of money when looking to start your own business in medicine. Thats all it really comes down to is business. Im not trying to invoke any racially motivated conversations, but according to him there is a very large amount of doctors coming out of asia (including india, and pakistan) that can and do pay LARGE amounts of money to supersede the waiting list for physician jobs. small towns dont exactly see a large amount of immigrants, let alone from asia. 75% of landed immigrants in canada settle in ontario, most of which in the GTA. this is part of the reason small canadian towns lack physicians, especially out west.

[ironwill]

What the heck do you guys do for a living. Paying 6 figures in tax, you have to be grossing in the range of 200 000 each. Thats alot of dough.
I wish we made that much...Not quite, a bit off, i will say we are in the mid 100s...
I am the manager of trades, and my lady (countrychic) is the manager of safety for western Canada in the same company, we are a package deal...

[ironwill]

Does it have something to do with the goverment, for sure, but everything?

That is a pretty broad statement, dont forget the the shear size of our country bro, there are lots of little rural areas that cant find a doctor or get one to come there because of how remote it is or the lack of patients amoung other reasons. So again your right but Nate is not totally incorrect in his statement either.

IW's situations is different as they live close to a major center but there are other instances to consider.
Now this guy TT, i think the prime minister flies a helicopter into his backyard at x-mas time to personally hand deliver a x-mas card to him, for supporting our tax system with his Income tax deductions......If i had his money, id burn ours...

[turboturist]

Now this guy TT, i think the prime minister flies a helicopter into his backyard at x-mas time to personally hand deliver a x-mas card to him, for supporting our tax system with his Income tax deductions......If i had his money, id burn ours...

:laugh :shock

With what you and CC make your crazy man. You alone make as much or more than I do, only dif is I only work 6 months a year in total. ;)

And as I said before those heathens of ours suck it all up pretty quick, once they all leave, or get kicked out on their asses, maybe we will be able to afford to burn some of it.

[ironwill]

:laugh :shock

With what you and CC make your crazy man. You alone make as much or more than I do, only dif is I only work 6 months a year in total. ;)

And as I said before those heathens of ours suck it all up pretty quick, once they all leave, or get kicked out on their asses, maybe we will be able to afford to burn some of it.

LOL, Heathens is a great word....
You are semi retired, i am semi retarded....
Plus you get to see some pretty cool shiznit....Bonus..

[Houstonbc]

just a lowly tradesman

[Houstonbc]

So your upwards of $170 000 a year in income? wow, what do you do?

no i am not upwards of $170 000 a year?? that would be great though

[ironwill]

just a lowly tradesman

Smart man.... you will never be out of work.......And you can go pretty much anywhere...I may be a bit biased though...lol..

[natenator]

can you find an actual relevant article related to specific income taxes in canada like i did, written by a canadian (like i did)? NDP did pretty well in the last election.....oh wait.....they really didnt.....lol
What does a Canadian article matter? Facts are facts regardless of who published them. What I would be more interested in is finding an updated model.

And what's with the NPD stuff? You NDP or something?

[natenator]

Good question. Im happy you brought that up. My sisters husband has an MD and has practiced medicine in europe for many years. he moved back to canada to start his own practice but cannot find a job due to the influx of immigrants willing to buy their way into a practice. If you think this is rumor or myth it is not. There are several loopholes one can find if you have the right connections and the right amount of money when looking to start your own business in medicine. Thats all it really comes down to is business. Im not trying to invoke any racially motivated conversations, but according to him there is a very large amount of doctors coming out of asia (including india, and pakistan) that can and do pay LARGE amounts of money to supersede the waiting list for physician jobs. small towns dont exactly see a large amount of immigrants, let alone from asia. 75% of landed immigrants in canada settle in ontario, most of which in the GTA. this is part of the reason small canadian towns lack physicians, especially out west.
An imigrant paying its way into the country has been possible for quite some time. It sucks and should not be the true but sadly is.

There are many factors which affect doctor shortage in Canada. It is not as simple people would make it seem. Factors like income, taxation rates, cost of living, standing in the community (ego stroke), insurance and liability premiums, etc.

As for rural towns I can see why Doctors would need to be bribed to go to a small rural town to practice.... nothing to do.

[natenator]

i actually am in school studying politics and law. as for you subsidising my schooling i pay for it all with a line of credit in my own name. i also own my own car and work full time while in school full time to pay for both? nah, no real life experience here at all. i also play college level athletics and have the hottest gf ive ever seen. what do you do? whats the REALITY of your life?
Congrats on paying your way. It definitely is not easy. I took the same route. But, if you claim tuition tax credits or write off any part of the interest on your LOC (you can do this) then you are being subsidized by the tax payers and are reeping the benefits of a socialized system.

[natenator]

Now this guy TT, i think the prime minister flies a helicopter into his backyard at x-mas time to personally hand deliver a x-mas card to him, for supporting our tax system with his Income tax deductions......If i had his money, id burn ours...
I wish he did. I'd blow his brains (and any other politician for that matter) out. :D

[ironwill]

I wish he did. I'd blow his brains (and any other politician for that matter) out. :Ddo youm live with tt?

[natenator]

do youm live with tt?
I do. I let me live in the car port and have access to the recliner on his roof (makes for great fishing :D) lol

[ironwill]

I do. I let me live in the car port and have access to the recliner on his roof (makes for great fishing :D) lol

He is such a giving fellow...lol:flagC

[turboturist]

He is such a giving fellow...lol:flagC

Your welcome any time man, as you see it is a two seater. You and Nate can share and you better get along!

[ironwill]

We always get along, a little healthy debate is fun, and interesting...:greet
But not as much fun as fishing....Lets do it..

[NorthOf60]

IMO. The biggest reason we have a shortage of Doctors is that we don't have enough seats in schools training doctors and what it takes to get into med school at the moment is ****ing retarded. You need a Premed degree with a near 4.0 GPA, a high score on your MCATS, and you need a **** load of volunteer/community work on top of that just to get into a med school. It is ****ing retarded. Buy the time you are done school you are so far in debt and tired that you don't even want to work anymore.

I looked into med school and I talked to a lot of doctors and almost all of them said it is not worth it and that you that now a days in the long run you can almost make more money with a trades job. Also almost all of them admitted that their PreMed degrees were useless, a waste of time, and did noting to make them better doctors. If anything it made them worse doctors because they spent so much effort and energy getting into med school that by the time the reached med school they were burnt out.

If Canada wants more doctors then they need create more med seats in schools and make it easier to get in. Plus there are a ton of nurses out there with years of experience that would make great doctors but for some reason a nursing degree is not considered a PreMed degree. Plus have you looked at a MCAT exam, most of the shit in the exam has nothing to do with being a doctor. Why the **** does a doctor need to understand advanced mathematics and physics.

[Bowlcut]

IMO. The biggest reason we have a shortage of Doctors is that we don't have enough seats in schools training doctors and what it takes to get into med school at the moment is ****ing retarded. You need a Premed degree with a near 4.0 GPA, a high score on your MCATS, and you need a **** load of volunteer/community work on top of that just to get into a med school. It is ****ing retarded. Buy the time you are done school you are so far in debt and tired that you don't even want to work anymore.

I looked into med school and I talked to a lot of doctors and almost all of them said it is not worth it and that you that now a days in the long run you can almost make more money with a trades job. Also almost all of them admitted that their PreMed degrees were useless, a waste of time, and did noting to make them better doctors. If anything it made them worse doctors because they spent so much effort and energy getting into med school that by the time the reached med school they were burnt out.

If Canada wants more doctors then they need create more med seats in schools and make it easier to get in. Plus there are a ton of nurses out there with years of experience that would make great doctors but for some reason a nursing degree is not considered a PreMed degree. Plus have you looked at a MCAT exam, most of the shit in the exam has nothing to do with being a doctor. Why the **** does a doctor need to understand advanced mathematics and physics.


Good point about nurses, but in the USA they have "Nurse practicioners" who can write prescriptions.
Want to know what would be the best way to train more doctors?
How about allow for private medical schools run entirely free of the government and the medical cartel.

The AMA and CMA enjoy their government granted legal monopoly on licensing and training which allows them to act like a guild and restrict the ability for anyone outside of their cartel to sell services, thus inflating the prices they can charge.