Tom Prince Steroid Info

[Kronis]

Just came across this on bb.com



1. “Why come off the gear 2 weeks out?” Simple. I actually looked better after being off for 2 weeks. I’d always lose 4 - 5 pounds of water from just being off for those 2 weeks. Doesn’t matter if the steroids are still “working”, per se.. it only matters what the muscle looks like. Plus, that last week, I’m not training balls to the wall. Just pumping movements that last week. No need to worry about recovery from training, etc,
[Note from Anthony Roberts: This was an idea I first read about in a book published in the late '70s by Dr. James E. Wright, called "Anabolic Steroids and Sports" - ever since the late '70s bodybuilders have been dropping their gear a few weeks out, and losing water weight as a result. It is something continued today, and repeated in every top-level cycle by everyone...but it is not only an OLD idea, but several DECADES old by now.]
2. “Human Grade Products“. ALWAYS. I had a prescription for Test, Deca, Teslac, HCG. As much as humanly possible, I’d stick with American Pharmacuetical products.

3. “Average amounts compared to my peers?” I’d say average, or less. Titus was famous for using TONS. LIke, 5000 mg./week. I won’t name anyone else, but there’s more than a few guys that do that. But, hey, I didn’t win any pro shows, so, maybe I should have been doing 5000 mgs/week. LOL. The 2 guys I know that did that much, Titus and one other guy, didn’t win any shows, either.

4. “What doses did I use in my early cycles/” My first cycle was 200 tabs of dianabol, 200 tabs of Anavar. 8 week cycle. Cost me $100 for 2 bottles of each. That shows my age. LOL.

But, after that first cycle, I always used Test. My 2nd cycle was 200 mg. of test for 3 weeks, 400 mg. of test for 3 weeks. I didn’t use more than 4 cc’s of test/ week (800 mg’s) until I was 275 pounds, and 25 years old.

VERY IMPORTANT: You want to use as LITTLE as possible to keep yourself growing and making gains. If you use 1500 mg. of test and 6 iu’s of GH to add 10 pounds from 180 - 190 pounds, you’ll NEVER get to 250. The faster you rush it, and the more the gear makes your gains (and not your training), the faster you’ll lose those gains when you come off. You want to use the gear to push yourself PAST your own limitations. That’s why it’s soooooo important to have a great base built up.

I’ve told this story before: I got to 248 pounds, natural. I’m 5′8″. I waited till I had an awesome base built up, before I ever touched the gear.

I also didn’t use GH until I had already gotten 2nd at Nationals in 1995. The very first time I used GH, was getting ready for the 1996 USA.

Also, I DIDN’T use GH when I won Nationals in 1997. I probably would have, but I couldn’t afford it. Serostim was brand new in late 1997, and it was $1300/box at the time. I needed 3 boxes. No way I had $3900 for just GH. In fact, I know I only spent about $1200 TOTAL on all my gear for the ‘97 Nationals. Regardles of the cost.. I believed I didn’t need the GH to win Nationals.

Point about the GH. I waited a very long time to use it. I wanted to be as good as possible, as big as possible, and do as well, competitively, as possible, before I used it. THIS WAS PLANNED!!

I also wanted to learn how to diet without the GH. There IS a difference in how you diet, depending on whether or not you’re using GH.


[Quote=Tom Prince]Tom Prince; 2001 Night Of Champions Cycle
It's been over 6 years since I last stepped on stage. I remember promising a ton of peeps that one day I would post this. So, here it is, folks. My 2001 Night of Champions Cycle. Just for fun.. Tom




Week #1: 4 iu's GH/day; 4 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 200 mg. Deca Durabolin; 1 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day

Week #2: 4 iu's GH/day; 5 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 200 mg. Deca Durabolin; 1 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day

Week #3: 4 iu's GH/day; 5 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 200 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 2 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab

Week #4: 4 iu's GH/day; 6 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 400 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 2 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab

Week #5: 6iu's GH/day; 6 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 400 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 3 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab

Week #6: 6 iu's GH/day; 6 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 400 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 3 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab

Week #7: off; 5000 iu HCG/day; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 clenbuterol/day (2 days on 1 day off); 300 mg. caffeine x 6 days/week (a.m. only)

Week #8: off; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 clenbuterol/day (2 days on 1 day off); 300 mg. caffeine x 6 days/week (a.m. only)

Week #9: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 300 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


Week #10: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 300 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)

Week #11: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 5 x Clenbuterol tabs, 300 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


Week #12: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 5 x Clenbuterol tabs, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


Week #13: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 300 mg. Winstrol-V (100 mg. each M-W-F); 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 5 x 25 mg. Ephedrine tab, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


Week #14: 6 iu's GH/day; 1500 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 300 mg. Winstrol-V (100 mg. each M-W-F); 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 6 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


Week #15: off 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 6 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


**Week #16: off; 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 10 x Clenbuterol tab (Sun, Mon, Tue only), 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


**Day of contest was at the end of 16th Week.


The bb.com link above has some more info that people might find interesting.

[gsxr750]

Interesting read! Thanks for posting that.. more in the thread too..

"Answering a few questions:

1. Caffeine was used for a few things. First, as a thermogenic.. ephedrine/caffeine keep your body temperature raised so that you keep burning fat. Second, used in conjunction with the GH, to stimulate your metabolism. LOTS (and I mean waaayyy too many) of people think you need to actually use thyroid, or some form of T3, to stimulate your thyroid to keep the GH working effectively. (If you don't this when reading.. GH can, if you're not careful, cause your thyroid to shut down if it's not stimulated when using the GH).

2. I always wrote my own cycles.

3. "Upping the test going into the show". The longer you diet, and the leaner you get, the higher the doses should go, in my opinion. The closer the show gets, and the leaner you get, the more at risk you are of losing muscle. It's just common sense.


BY THE WAY.. please notice. Nothing crazy or fantastic in that cycle. Just common sense. No weird compounds. GH, Cypionate, Deca, Winstol. That's it really.

I'M TELLING YA'.. it's hard work, lots of years, and genetics.

I'll answer any questions people may have."

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/BBingDungeon/2001%20noc/24.jpg

[shithead]

Thanks guys, that was an interesting read.

Now he weighs 165lbs and is near death. lol

[natenator]

His comment about going from 180-190...whether he is telling the truth or not his message is a good one. Don't use gear to make up for your lack of hard work in the gym and proper nutrition.

[shithead]

Statement from him post NOC in Flex:

To say that I hate to have to be writing this is a severe understatement. Left with any other choice, I'd still be doing the NOC.

After being sick for more than a week, and having to be forced, literally, by my wife, to go to the doctor, I finally did so. I went to a local clinic in Marina Del Rey, CA, where I live. The doctor that ran a standard blood panel, came back with my test results, and very nicely, told my wife that she should take me to the emergency room IMMEDIATELY.

So, Rebecca and I went to get some ice cream before going to the Harbor UCLA Medical Center (rememeber, I was dieting). I was at the hospital for 15 minutes before they admitted me into ICU (Intensive Care Unit).

I've got bleeding ulcers that make eating anything very difficult. Especially all the protein from chciken and turkey. I also have some kidney damage.

They THINK the prognosis is good, and that there's a possibility I could one day compete again. But that's doctor's, and what THEY say.

I, however, have a whole lot to think about. My friends, family, the writers, people at Weider, and whoever has found out to this point, seems to think I'm going to make a snap decision in 15 minutes. NOPE.

I've got MONTHS to decide what to do, while my kidney's and ulcers heal. I plan on taking MONTHS to decide what to do. I want to see how fast, if at all, my body and organs, heal. There's no rush, and no timetable just to satisfy someone else's agenda for when they think I should compete.

Peace.. tp

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There was never any doubt in my mind that anyone who understands what life is all about will understand why I need to give myself time to heal. The beautiful, 35 year old Jewish chick I sleep next to every night, and the the 13 year old and 11 year old that the sun rises and sets on every day are what really matter to me. At the end of the day.. at the end of EVERY day.. I need to be here for THEM.

Bodybuilding, with me, or without me, will be just fine. Though, I'll freely admit, that I miss being in the gym every day already.


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EVERYBODY..

I don't mind people thinking I made a serious mistake. If that is your opinion, that's certainly your right to feel that way. Further, it's hard for me to argue anyone coming to that conclusion, based on the fact that I do, indeed, have a kidney problem now.

I am in NO WAY trying to shirk responsibility for what I have done to myself. This isn't anyone else fault. This is 100%, ON ME. Period. I have to deal with the consequences of my actions.

At the same time, I'm NOT going to start writing articles discussing the evils of bodybuilding, how the drugs have gotten out of hand, and be a ****ing hypocrit who up until 2 weeks ago was more than willing to do everything it took to be a "good" pro.

In time, and in each person's own way, they will make their own decisions about what each person feels is right for THEM. PLEASE.. if you think I'm an asshole for NOT paying closer attention to my own health, YOU PAY ATTENTION TO YOURS!!


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I think too many pro's who've retired in the last decade, end up sounding like hyprocritical jerk-off's when they talk about the direction that they believe bodybuilding is heading. You know, the 'ol: "I can't believe how much shit these guys are taking. WE we're pratically natural in my day."

But, at the same time, I'd like to at least be HONEST about my condition. An educated individual can make a better decision on whether or not he/she wants to go down the same road that a pro may have to go down. If they know the TRUTH, then, just maybe, they'll make better decisons.

That's all I hope to do with any of this. I have to trust that each person cares enough about himself to look into this on his own, and think for themselves.

[shithead]

Moral of the story: GET YOUR ****ING BLOOD WORK DONE REGARDLESS

[natenator]

Moral of the story: GET YOUR ****ING BLOOD WORK DONE REGARDLESS
and responsible use - not abuse - is in order.

[waderow]

how did gear give him bleeding ulcers? orals?

[ironwill]

Good article thank-you...I have always been told and noticed myself, that 10 days post-cycle is when you look the best, and it is true...I also have written a couple of times now, that i go with 250 mgs per week, then when gains stop, go up a bit more, and so on.....I practice this constantly as of late and it definitely works, like a charm....
Also i agree that as one gets closer to show time, the doses go up a tad, consistent as the diet gets harder and calories are more restricted, that has been the advice given to me as well...
Good read and thanks for sharing...
I used to correspond with Tom prince back on muscle mayhem yrs ago, and he was very intense and intelligent, then he got fed up with everyone and turned into a real badass, and leftn the boards altogether...He then fell ill and is not in good health, but he had a lot of wisdom as far as i am concerned and would never give an easy answer, made you work for what you sought, but kept you going in the right direction...
Now he is a property manager and thats all i believe...Very unfortunate health problems...
He was a chad niocholls desciple...

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

wow! great read.

[purelife]

good read

[Big D]

yep good read

[champcar99]

did this article come out after titus was in jail or before...I think its a great article but he doesn't need to point titus out and not name anyone else...big mouth on that reguard IMO....:ji

[jsv22]

very interesting read, thanks
-jsv

[dan12]

did this article come out after titus was in jail or before...I think its a great article but he doesn't need to point titus out and not name anyone else...big mouth on that reguard IMO....:ji

Yea i do not know why he only names Titus. It came out after he was in jail. But it is still a good read

[JonnyO]

I think his health problems were from abuse of pain killers or Tylenol...something like that. Apparently was pro Nubain too.

[AlbertaBeef]

Too many pain killers and got serious kidney problems. Cut out training and protein and he went completely catabolic. Here's before at around 300lbs and after at ?????

[ironwill]

Yea i do not know why he only names Titus. It came out after he was in jail. But it is still a good read
They had a long standing feud...Kamali, titus, Prince...They were epic battles backm in the day....wooot

[AlladdinSane]

He had a pretty solid rec drug problem to go along with his painkiller issues. I'd bet that his hormone use had little to do with his overall health breakdown.

[gordi]

If he's telling the truth about his AAS use, and there's no reason not to think that he is, then it's pretty great to see that a guy with the right genetics who trains really hard and eats right can develop a genuinely pro-level build while using only reasonable amounts of drugs.

I'm sure there are guys who have used a whole lot more while never winning an amateur show.

I'm also completely sure that pain killer abuse does way more harm than AAS abuse. There have been many deaths and many many serious problems in the world of pro wrestling that have been attributed to AAS, but a lot of people on the inside say that painkillers have a lot more to do with it.

By the way, what is Teslac?

[L3]

Too many pain killers and got serious kidney problems. Cut out training and protein and he went completely catabolic. Here's before at around 300lbs and after at ?????

wow that is ridiculous, i dont get why guys are saying hes got good genetics, obviously not if hes naturally 145lbs soakin wet

[shithead]

Teslac is a steroid with anti aromatase activity.

[gordi]

Teslac is a steroid with anti aromatase activity.

Thanks.

[ironwill]

If he's telling the truth about his AAS use, and there's no reason not to think that he is, then it's pretty great to see that a guy with the right genetics who trains really hard and eats right can develop a genuinely pro-level build while using only reasonable amounts of drugs.

I'm sure there are guys who have used a whole lot more while never winning an amateur show.

I'm also completely sure that pain killer abuse does way more harm than AAS abuse. There have been many deaths and many many serious problems in the world of pro wrestling that have been attributed to AAS, but a lot of people on the inside say that painkillers have a lot more to do with it.

By the way, what is Teslac?
Bang on bro....i agree totally...The advil he was taking was rediculous, i remember him saying how it damaged his kidneys etc. and sent out a big warning on painkillers and how they wreak havoc, it was when i first heard of the bad effects of advil etc, that a lot of people think are basically inert....Far from it...

[MoooBaby]

My father has serious back issues, and he works a construction job. He nearly killed his liver with just tylenol. Not even on purpose, he was eating 8 a day for about 6 months. He also was drinking everynight. One day I woke up to find him puking black stuff. . long story short he's lucky to have a stomach and a liver left.

I don't think we should play down what can be done with steroids as far as damage goes, nothing comes for free in this world. But. . .I bet with teh cycles he's quoting that it wasn't only juice. Too bad to see someone do that to their body, it's GOT tobe hard to walk around at 150lbs after being twice as big. . .

[physique]

damn, doesnt even look like the same person anymore.

[InsulinShock]

"You want to use as LITTLE as possible to keep yourself growing and making gains. If you use 1500 mg. of test and 6 iu’s of GH to add 10 pounds from 180 - 190 pounds, you’ll NEVER get to 250."


AMEN! The BEST point a pro has ever made regarding AAS usage! :a+

[Rhinobolt10]

well... that makes me scared to take advil....

[guym]

well... that makes me scared to take advil....

For occasional pain at a sane dose? No worries...EVERY day gulping back 8-10+ is where problems start. :(

[canadianmuscle0803]

I dont believe he is totally honest in this interview. although Prince is a very gifted athlete there is no way one can obtain that physique with those simple doses that he mentioned, i know many pros who are trained by professionals and not one of them has you stop your steroids 2 weeks out.. that's just absurd..

[tony_canuck]

i'm not surprised with his problems and his use of advil/painkillers. there are lots of people with very serious problems using painkillers. Just because you can buy it in the store without a script doesn't make it completely safe if you abuse the hell out of it for long, long periods.

I hear what you're saying CM, he might be going a bit 'light', but I do know of guys that really react completely different from small dosages vs. large dosages. At the end of the day, who really knows. I don't usually believe much of what I hear, some of it is true, some of is false. The truth is in the middle.

I do like that he says use as little as possible and scale up, that is the best advice ever he's offered..... You can't make up for lazy training/diet.

[ironwill]

I dont believe he is totally honest in this interview. although Prince is a very gifted athlete there is no way one can obtain that physique with those simple doses that he mentioned, i know many pros who are trained by professionals and not one of them has you stop your steroids 2 weeks out.. that's just absurd..
While i dont totally disagree with you, i can say with absolute certainty that one of my best and longest friends is top 3 in Canada and a damn good bodybuilder, he only took 1 sustanon per week and 40 mgs of d-bol per day in his last contest and looked friggin amazing....Top 3 nationals is a very good achievement...
However, the guy does not and will not miss a workout, and eats very good all the time for the most part...He is very disciplined in his routine...ALL THE TIME, not sometimes...I truly think this is where the biggest difference lies, that and genetics..

[NorthOf60]

I never knew this about Acetaminophen. I have never been a big user of pain killers except for the odd Advil couple times a year if I get a bad headache. About 2 months ago I hurt my RC and my doctor recommended me to take Tylenol for a while to help with the inflammation and pain, so of course like an idiot I followed my doctors advice. Right before Xmas I got a blood test done to check my levels. Well yesterday I got my results and I had just read this thread. Well my Liver levels were out of whack and they have never been this bad before even when taking gear. I couldn't believe how much that shit ****ed with my liver with one month or recommended usage. Also over the holidays one of my kidneys started bothering me. Has soon as I stopped taking the Tylenol within days my kidney starting feeling better. How the is it that this stuff is perfectly legal to buy over the counter and more dangerous then gear and gear is illegal.

[Ritch]

While i dont totally disagree with you, i can say with absolute certainty that one of my best and longest friends is top 3 in Canada and a damn good bodybuilder, he only took 1 sustanon per week and 40 mgs of d-bol per day in his last contest and looked friggin amazing....Top 3 nationals is a very good achievement...
However, the guy does not and will not miss a workout, and eats very good all the time for the most part...He is very disciplined in his routine...ALL THE TIME, not sometimes...I truly think this is where the biggest difference lies, that and genetics..

Just wanted to add another similar story. I know a guy who won his division in a montreal show taking 200mg of test + 200mg of deca for 10 weeks. The guy is always ripped. I`ve seen other guys look incredible at 1 sustanon a week for 8 weeks.

[nitrous]

its crazy that advil is that hard on you.. has he admitted anything regarding the original problem being advil?

[hyperlite32]

Those pictures are UNREAL... he looks like a heroin addict on east hastings.

[xxSCHiSMxx]

Crazy. He looks like crap. I wouldn't guess in a million yrs that was Prince.

[purelife]

wow i would never guess that is him
it must be very depressiing for him looking back at the pictures how he was back in the day and how he looks now

[Ah...Fk]

Those pictures are UNREAL... he looks like a heroin addict on east hastings.

+1 I feel bad for the guy . Looks like hes dying of aids or cancer. I sure hope he is alright.

[ironwill]

I posted a follow up to this in another thread.....It is called when the posing stops...good read..

[ironwill]

a newer pic of him in 07, he isnt that small......i dont think anyway....Over 220 i would imagine...???

[deletedandgone]

Another article on Tom Prince:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_11_21/ai_111506233/?tag=content;col1

[nitrous]

the original posters article has been around for ages

[kawikaratekid]

He looks a lot better in that pic  then the last.

[_Ragnar_]

I have a problem with ulcers and I cant take advil any more, period. If you have the H.pylori bacteria in your system taking ibuprofen is like throwing gas on a fire.