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bigfarmer
04-01-2009, 09:39 PM
I have been running tte (Test(750/week) and tren(400/ week) for almost two months now and my nips are getting kinda puffy. i started to notice them about a week ago but today they are bad. My previous cycle consisted of 16 weeks of test E (750/week)and EQ (600/ week) and had no such sides. Not sure if this is the tren causing this?? what should i use Letrozole, Arimidex, or Nolva? what doseages and for how long??

Big D
04-01-2009, 09:47 PM
since your previous cycle was the same amount of test so I think its the tren causing this, you would need dostinex, it will help you prevent the gyno from the tren.

shithead
04-01-2009, 09:48 PM
Prolactin from tren. Bromo works well but causes nausea in certain individuals.

shithead
04-01-2009, 09:49 PM
Heres some info on bromo for Elite.

Ergot-derived smart drugs (the benefits of rye fungi)
by Robert Mason Ph.D.


Bromocriptine- the most potent ergot
This semi-synthetic derivative of the ergo group of ergot alkaloids is a dopamine receptor agonist (for those who like precise detail it is a potent D2 agonist but also displays partial action on D1 receptors) and a prolactin inhibitor.

Its first major anti-aging use is the enhancement of dopamine, (a key brain neurotransmitter that undergoes an age-related decline). Past the age of 40 it is estimated that “on-average” the healthy person undergoes a dopamine decline of approximately 13% per decade (Ward, Fowkes & Morgenthaler). Accordingly, some neurologists have stated that “if we all live long enough we shall all become senile.” This is due to the fact that abnormally low levels of dopamine (70% to 80% loss) are then diagnosed as Parkinson’s disease, hence protection and enhancement of the dopamine producing neurons is a key strategy for anti-aging medicine. Not surprisingly then, bromocriptine is used in conjunction with other drugs (such as deprenyl and L-dopa) in the management of Parkinson’s disease, but anti-aging medicine considers its preventative properties too.

Its second major anti-aging use is the inhibition of prolactin, this hormone is one of the few that actually appears to increase with age. Prolactin is produced by the pituitary gland and its release is inhibited by bromocriptine.

Prolactin has been described as a “fat synthesis hormone” because one of its primary functions is to trigger lactation (milk production) and weight gain in pregnancy. In women, bromocriptine has been used to help restore ovulation (the process by which this action occurs is too complex to explain for this small article) but it also helps to reduce serum prolactin levels in men (although the precise role of prolactin in men is unclear).

A further possible need to control age-related prolactin levels is offered by some researchers who believe that prolactin is an immune system suppressant.

Bromocriptine also affects the most famous of all pituitary hormones- growth hormone (gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - ). Bromocriptine increases growth hormone secretion in individuals with normal growth hormone concentrations, but paradoxically suppresses gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - secretion in some patients with acromegaly (a condition of excessive-production of gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - ). Studies indicate that bromocriptine does not affect the release of any other anterior pituitary hormones.

Due to its dopamine enhancement bromocriptine has even been cited as an aphrodisiac, although little effort has been made to study and confirm this action. There have been several reports of “better controlled” orgasms and “almost orgasms” before the real orgasm occurs. If any countries allow for more medical categories such as “weak orgasm syndrome” or perhaps “clinical sex-drive loss” then dopamine agonists such as bromocriptine are going to receive a lot of attention from the pharmaceutical manufacturers, especially in the wake of Viagra sales.

Another interesting clinical study administered a component of tobacco called DMBA to rats at a level where it is known to be very effective in producing breast cancer. However, rats that had been pretreated with bromocriptine completely avoided any cancer development. Bromocriptine therefore appears to also offer itself as a very potent free radical quencher.

One of the most recent studies indicates that bromocriptine may be a candidate for the treatment of Type-2 diabetes. This is because bromocriptine has been shown to suppress lipogenesis and improve glucose tolerance and insulin resistance.

One animal study suggested that a further action of bromocriptine is to alter central nervous system (central nervous system) regulating metabolism and as such has another important use in helping to prevent weight gain (this would be in addition to its improvement of diabetic conditions).

shithead
04-01-2009, 09:50 PM
since your previous cycle was the same amount of test so I think its the tren causing this, you would need dostinex, it will help you prevent the gyno from the tren.

Dost works well to and has the added benefit of decreasing refractory period. Expensive as hell though.

St
04-01-2009, 09:52 PM
If your last cycle you didn't get any gyno,and now you have it since you added the tren might very well be Progesterone(anti-prolactin),so get some Dostinex.

bigfarmer
04-01-2009, 09:58 PM
nips are just puffy no hard gyno behind them.....will this just stop it from getting worse or will it return them back to normal??

waderow
04-01-2009, 10:01 PM
could be bloat.
could be estrogen
could be prolactin.

i would consider an anti estrogen as well as shitheads advice

St
04-01-2009, 10:01 PM
nips are just puffy no hard gyno behind them.....will this just stop it from getting worse or will it return them back to normal??


If you them early then they will back to normal.

Krozone
04-01-2009, 10:03 PM
My friend, it will only get worse.. I agree with the Dostinex route. I had puffy Nips till I had Gyno Surgery a few years back.

All the best!

Kro!

St
04-01-2009, 10:07 PM
could be bloat.
could be estrogen
could be prolactin.

i would consider an anti estrogen as well as shitheads advice


Yes a anti-estrogen as well can't hurt kill two birds with one Stone.

Felinecougar
09-01-2009, 11:12 PM
bump...

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Descimus
11-01-2009, 10:53 AM
Oh didnt know that good info thanx



Dost works well to and has the added benefit of decreasing refractory period. Expensive as hell though.

bigfarmer
12-01-2009, 09:13 AM
Trying to get my hands on some dostinex right now, once i get it how much should i be taking??....never had to use this stuff before. Ive been running 20mg/day nolva and 0.5mg A-dex/day for as week or so and the puffiness hasn't really gone away. Should i continue with the a-dex or the nolva once i start the dostinex??

waderow
12-01-2009, 10:06 AM
Trying to get my hands on some dostinex right now, once i get it how much should i be taking??....never had to use this stuff before. Ive been running 20mg/day nolva and 0.5mg A-dex/day for as week or so and the puffiness hasn't really gone away. Should i continue with the a-dex or the nolva once i start the dostinex??

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4271&highlight=dostinex