HCG dosage with TRT

[big_luse]

Hey fellas gota few questions and concerns that Id like some advise on. Ive been on TRT for roughly 9 weeks (140mgs a week) however my doctor is completely clueless with respect to HCG usage. Im noticing some mild atrophy and my nuts seem to be a bit softer than before aswell ... to avoid becoming sterile and also to maintain size I think im going to start a moderate HCG regimen on my own.

What would be a good bi-weekly dosage for HCG ? (ideally id like to keep the #s lower to avoid Leydig desensitization and avoid any estrogen related sides).

Thanks bros

[gustavo77]

250iu every 3rd day is all you need. Might want to use 500iu for the first three shots to get things going though. But after that, 250iu is a decent dose.

[RagingRandy]

Good advice Gus. You may also want to PM GSXR. He is on the same regiment.

[spiderman7]

http://www.allthingsmale.com/word_docs/HCGupdate.doc

[gsxr750]

That site Spiderman posted has lots of good articles..

"I offer the patient my HCG protocol. I add in 250-500IU of HCG, on day five, and day six of the week, for those who use the IM injection. In other words, the two days prior to their shot. For those using a transdermal delivery system, every third day. For the IM patients, this compensates for the drop off in serum androgen levels by the half-life of the test cyp. But the main reason is to stave off atrophy of the testicles, by directly stimulating them with the LH analog.

Patients all report they feel dramatically better once the HCG regimen is initiated (and they were properly tuned up on testosterone before they started it). HCG, as a LH analog, increases the activity of the P450 SCC enzyme, which converts CHOL to pregnenolone. Thus all three hormonal pathways are stimulated in patients who may be either entirely, or very nearly, HPTA suppressed. It is my belief this may be a factor in the heightened sense of well-being my patients report throughout the week—far in excess of what a minimal dose of HCG would produce by virtue of induced testosterone production.

Many TRT practitioners add in HCG for a short course every few months, to re-stimulate the testes. My opinion is that it is far better to keep them up to form and function all along the way. The physicians who intermittently use HCG also use it as a “break” in TRT, much the same way hormonally-supplemented athletes manage the typical anabolic steroid cycle. TRT should not be “cycled”. Once I get my patients properly tuned up, I want them to stay that way. They also erroneously believe this allows the HPTA to recover, when it clearly does not. The HCG-induced testosterone production is every bit as suppressive of the HPTA as the TRT, and the supplemented testosterone is still at suppressive serum levels during that time, anyway."

[shivsean]

One of the best HRT Doc's in the USA (Dr. John Chrisler, DO) speaking on how he advises his patients to use HCG during HRT:

http://www.allthingsmale.com/word_docs/HCGupdate.doc