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UkrainianGuy

27-12-2008, 12:07 AM

NorthOf60

27-12-2008, 03:17 AM

PC or MAC. Since MAC switched to the X86 architecture it is a PC. You are only truly running a MAC if you are still running a MAC with a Motorola chip. MAC switched because they saw the light and realized that PC's rule. Their OS is no longer MAC as well, it's based on UNIX. So nothing about MAC is MAC anymore. But on the bright sides the changes were smart. Their new OS is awesome.

BAM

27-12-2008, 09:31 AM

Macs are for chix.

Juicy_brucy

27-12-2008, 09:32 AM

that was such a great answer Northof60

ZeOne

27-12-2008, 01:37 PM

Here is an answer to the PC vs Mac question I posted on MN a while ago.

hey zeone, i know almost nothing about comps at all but id like youre viewpoint on mac vs pc, from a guy who obviously knows a lot about pc's

If you would have asked me this questions a couple of years ago, my answer would have been a unequivocal 'PC'. As of the last 3 years or so, the dry-cut line have become much more blurred.

The reason behind this Mac evolution as it stands is that Apple finally decided to dump the older (albeit more technologically advanced) PPC processors in favor of new Intel CPUs. Where Macs were stuck before on using a very limited set of hardware and peripherals, they are now running on the same hardware platforms as the PCs. The Macs use a special bios that is a bit different than traditional bioses that have extra checks on hardware and components, but the rest is pretty much the same.

So, the truth is, that now both the "PC" and the "Mac" are really PCs, as in personal computers running on the 80x86 architecture.

So if Macs and PCs are the same in hardware, what becomes the main differentiator?

The simple (and yet not so simple) answer is the following: the OS.

From a technical point of a view, the BSD based OS X has the leading edge on the latest Microsoft offering Vista. But then Windows gets most of the games, the office suites, and most of the good software. OS X is used more to run professional raster based software like photoshop, etc...seriously, this conversation alone can fill a whole book, but both operating systems are secure enough nowadays for most user's needs and both have nice applications that you can use an enjoy, so it all boils down to user preferences.

But get this: Since both the PC and the Mac share a common x86 based architecture, and using various hacks, both the PC and the Mac can run both OS!! meaning a PC can run OSX and act as a Mac, and a Mac can run Windows and act as a PC, natively! (not using some emulation or virtual machine)...hence the reference to the blurred lines above.

The other differentiator is the hardware selection. When you buy a Mac, you basically bind yourself to the hardware that you buy, meaning you cannot easily change the CPU, video card, sound card, etc...it is a closed case design. Cool looking design, but still closed. Unfortunately, most of the "cheaper" (closed case) Macs, don't have great hardware specs when compared to PC at the same price point. But, on the Mac side, you have the equivalent of an open case PC, it is the more expensive Mac Pro that allows you to freely upgrade components in the system, just like most PCs at most price points would allow you to.

So my advice would be the following. If you really like the Mac OS and don't want to go through the hassle of building your own computer, then go buy yourself a Mac. If you really like the Windows OS and don't want to go through the hassle of building your own computer, then go buy yourself a PC.

On the other hand, if your technically savvy, and would like to build your own PC, build yourself a nice computer with a nice set of hardware (or a cheap computer if you are budget weary) then install both Windows and OSX on it, and maybe even a Linux distribution (Ubuntu for example) and you will have the best of both worlds.

BAM

27-12-2008, 08:51 PM

Can't ever see myself buying a mac. I have nothing in common with mac users.
Rainbows & hugs?

no thx

NorthOf60

28-12-2008, 05:22 AM

Well put ZeOne

UkrainianGuy

30-01-2009, 01:39 PM

varking

30-01-2009, 05:40 PM

mac all the way

BAM

30-01-2009, 09:24 PM

^^ if you are ghey :)

nitrous

31-01-2009, 02:55 PM

a mac really is a better computer.. its all about your budget though

deleteduser0001

31-01-2009, 03:11 PM

that second video was really good.

UkrainianGuy

12-02-2009, 11:03 PM

UkrainianGuy

06-03-2009, 05:43 PM

quarticx

10-03-2009, 11:54 PM

mac

Dozer1980

13-03-2009, 12:55 PM

For me i like to build my pc's so for the wide range of availble drivers and software that i already have for pc ill stay with it.

UkrainianGuy

24-04-2009, 08:27 PM

BAM

25-04-2009, 01:38 PM

Boo to macs.. utterly usless to me and I hate the interface.

spitfire

25-04-2009, 03:53 PM

Not a Mac fan either. Overpriced piece of hardware that delivers the same performance as a pc with tons less software for it.

UkrainianGuy

01-05-2009, 07:23 PM

UkrainianGuy

22-05-2009, 09:52 PM

UkrainianGuy

05-06-2009, 04:51 PM

LIVEHARD

11-06-2009, 01:02 AM

Hats off to north of 60 I have two old Pc laptops both running OS

LIVEHARD

11-06-2009, 01:04 AM

Work has MAC they work look cool hardware is great down fall is the top $$ for the reg guy

if a client is covering mine then mac

If its my $$ PC

azian257

16-08-2009, 02:02 PM

I love Apple. Running a MacBook Pro 17".

Once you go mac you won't go back.

Dave

17-08-2009, 03:27 PM

MAC is crap. Why I would pay twice the price for the same hardware anyway ? Recent testing from security firm affirmed that hacking a Mac is easy thing done now. If the were the same number of Mac user than PC user both of them would have problems with virus and spyware. Those who said that Mac are more pro then PC got probably no idea of what they are talking about. I'm working has an IT Tech and we always have problems with some customers who are using Mac because most of software use by organism or Government is not compatible. We need to create special restricted VPN tunnel for exemple with Mac user because otherwise it always crash.

If your a gamer ... Oh yeah you can play with the Mac, but you will need a 1899$ computer with a 600$ video card that cost 200 on PC.

So no thanks for me to get a Mac.

Get a Pc and Install both Windows and Linux so you will have the better of the two worlds.

UkrainianGuy

21-08-2009, 12:31 AM

greekgod

22-08-2009, 09:25 PM

Dave

02-09-2009, 02:12 PM

I used to hate Macs until I had to use them at school for couple of years. I fell in love with them and now I have an imac. I LOVE my mac because I never have to worry about viruses and I rarely have to restart. To say that macs don't get viruses because they are not as popular is nonsense. If you can create a mac virus or hack into one, apple will give you $20,000. As far as I know, only one guy has collected the reward and he was able to hack a macbook. The security flaw that he exploited is now fixed. What reward does Microsoft offer?

============Mac OS Leopard will came with an integrated Anti-Virus because the actually got some virus issues. MAC OS is a linux so has long you know how to hack a unix kernel you can create virus and shit on Mac. Some company has also start making anti-virus for Mac (Intego Virusbarrier X5 for Mac)

The only downside to a mac is that most games are not compatible. IMO, if you like games then you should just buy a PS3.

Many argue that macs are overpriced. IMO, they are worth every penny. The build quality and customers service is second to none. I have the 24" imac and it uses a professional grade lcd panel that would normally cost $1000+. A professional grade monitor is vital for doing photoshop and color correcting in film(which i do).

============MAC hardware is PC hardware, Intel processor with nVidia or AMD CG, DDR memory, but look at price

350$ for 2x2gig DDR2-6400 for MAC .. it cost 60$ on PC for DDR-2-8500

don't even think at DDR3 630$ for 4GIG for DDR3-8500 while I got 6GIG-DDR3 12800 on PC for about 160$

You want a graphic card ?

ATI Radeon HD 3870 512MB PCI-E Video Card for Mac (30995) In Stock $269.99 for this old crapy card..

Don't diss a mac if you have never even owned one!

My gf is working with MAC cuz she's a graphist and got every same programs she need on her PC too. So why bother with an MAC ? You can buy any monitor you want on PC. Plus LG is the manufacturer for MAC LCD screen.

The Grim Repper

02-09-2009, 02:25 PM

Many argue that macs are overpriced. IMO, they are worth every penny. The build quality and customers service is second to none. I have the 24" imac and it uses a professional grade lcd panel that would normally cost $1000+. A professional grade monitor is vital for doing photoshop and color correcting in film(which i do).

Don't diss a mac if you have never even owned one!

Mac hardware = pc hardware. There is no difference now. All they've done is made it look prettier. Color calibration can be done with various softwares and tools. Even mac users use 3rd party tools for calibration.

The extra you are paying for is the OS. Nothing else. It's good for one who uses it for graphics/video, music stuff. Programmers, hardcore users, gamers, would never consider a mac as it's just too limited. A pc can do everything a mac does and a lot more at a fraction of the cost. Albeit the worry of a virus is always there but if you have a good virus scanner, you'll be ok. Plus microsoft will be releasing a virus scanner in the near future for free.

If Mac doesn't make their OS more compatible with everything out there and lower their price, their market growth will stay exactly where it is for years to come as while the pc will continue to grow.

azian257

02-09-2009, 07:39 PM

Mac hardware = pc hardware. There is no difference now. All they've done is made it look prettier. Color calibration can be done with various softwares and tools. Even mac users use 3rd party tools for calibration.

The extra you are paying for is the OS. Nothing else. It's good for one who uses it for graphics/video, music stuff. Programmers, hardcore users, gamers, would never consider a mac as it's just too limited. A pc can do everything a mac does and a lot more at a fraction of the cost. Albeit the worry of a virus is always there but if you have a good virus scanner, you'll be ok. Plus microsoft will be releasing a virus scanner in the near future for free.

If Mac doesn't make their OS more compatible with everything out there and lower their price, their market growth will stay exactly where it is for years to come as while the pc will continue to grow.

It should be said that a Mac can do everything a PC can and a lot more. A Mac can either use Bootcamp to dual boot Windows/Linux or use Parallels/VMware to run windows along side OSX. A PC cannot run OSX (without hacks).

Apple doesn't have to worry about is so and so hardware going to work with our operating system. When you control the hardware and software, the shit better work good together. The disadvantage is just that, it aint' going to be as versatile in the hardware department. This doesn't include peripherals, I have yet found any device like mice,cameras, printers, etc that does not work on a Mac.

I do agree its great for graphics/video, music ..etc..like you know what most people use their computer for. The reason for this is the software on OSX is great. I don't know shit about video editing but I had a homemade movie up in less than 15mins in iMovie. I like how easy it is to manage all my photos with iPhoto, luv how it does face recognition and can search photos by faces . Yes there are window counterparts obviously but honestly Mac just does it much more elegantly.

If your a gamer, stick with wii/xbox/ps3/pc lol. I loaded up Crysis on my unibody macbook pro laptop booted in xp. It has a 9600M which to my surprise was playable.

Overall, Apple makes some good versatile products...not perfect but neither is PC.

Ron Partlow

03-09-2009, 02:16 AM

kloan

03-09-2009, 06:46 AM

Been a Mac guy for 14 years... I've used PCs for around 10 years as well. I've owned both, and for me I MUCH prefer the Apple OS over Windows. Once you get over the initial shock of how different it looks and feels and actually start to use it, you'll quickly appreciate all the little things about it that just make it better.

It isn't all show... OS X has a HUGE amount of development behind it to make it as user friendly and efficient as possible. Hardware upgrades are quite simple, as they all take the same hard drives and ram as PCs do. The towers do have their own video cards, but everyone knows Macs aren't meant for hard core gamers that like to upgrade their video cards every 2 months.

Hardware is really not that much more expensive than PCs. You're looking at maybe a couple hundred difference. I'd gladly pay the extra $$ any day and get something that looks nicer to go along with the OS. You also get top notch customer service and warranty repair that most PC hardware sellers just don't offer.

I got my 13" Macbook Pro for under $1300 after edu discount and selling the free iPod Touch that came with it. It has a 2.53Ghz Core 2 Duo processor, 4GB ram, 250GB hard drive, 256MB nvidia video card, backlit keyboard, LED backlit display (that looks ****ing amazing), sleek aluminum shell and a battery that lasts almost 7 hours with wifi.

Show me one PC laptop that offers all that for less.

MuSuLPhReAk

15-09-2009, 02:04 AM

I'm a programmer so pc's are my bread and butter.

But the last few times I've been to bestbuy, I popped CBB up on the screen of a mac and the colors were beautiful. Rich and bright. It's too bad they have such a high price tag for the recent models :(

LIVEHARD

15-09-2009, 02:24 AM

My girlfriend bought a Macbook a few years ago, and it quickly led to me doing ALL my work and emailing on it and throwing my old PC in the garbage!

Then she got me an IMac with the 20 inch screen for Xmas and I will NEVER go back to PC. Never.

Can't say enough about Macs.....they rule.

I'm both MAC to much $$ I have 2 17'' mac book pros for work (WORKS)

the previous version also i have a 24'' imac I purchaced off my neighbour for 900 $ I use it as a TV media center at home

But much of my LX and CAD softwear is not availible for MAC and if its is I can't switch I have to buy it all over again so I still have a PC laptop

You can get a great dell laptop for under 1000 $

Mastagon

15-09-2009, 08:41 PM

Sure, you can balk at the upfront pricetag of a Mac,

But consider how much on top of that you might pay
for servicing and repair fees? I doubt it would be very much.

mac all the way

juced_porkchop

15-09-2009, 10:21 PM

Fuk mac ... PC all the way.

MuSuLPhReAk

15-09-2009, 11:11 PM

Sure, you can balk at the upfront pricetag of a Mac,

But consider how much on top of that you might pay
for servicing and repair fees? I doubt it would be very much.

mac all the way

Are any using the Core i7?

BAM

15-09-2009, 11:16 PM

Macs just seem faggy to me.

MuSuLPhReAk

15-09-2009, 11:21 PM

Same here but the colors are far superior on the large screens. It's the only reason it's peaked my interest. Internals the same of course.

kloan

16-09-2009, 12:41 AM

How can a computer seem faggy? Unless they were pink with flowers on them or painted in rainbows.. I don't see how.

Sleek aluminum, vivid LCD displays, black backlit keys, superior OS.. yeah, real faggy.

namcapeht

12-10-2009, 10:50 PM

kloan

12-10-2009, 11:54 PM

I would definitely stick with a PC....nothing wrong with macs just they have not been using intel based components as long as lets say HP, dell etc....I'd imagine the MAC OS will have bugs in terms of hardware and software......why take the chance, there are alot of options with PC and you have a great selection.

Peace

ah yes the gap between your imagination and reality is quite large. ;)

ive yet to experience any hardware/os related bugs and ive been using the intel-based machines since their release (various models).

i agree with you though that there's more versatility when it comes to windows-based machines and the variety of parts you can build a machine with. plus, when you feel like upgrading there's a lot more to choose from. thats something apple computers severely lack. basically limited to ram and hard drive upgrades. to be fair though, most pc-based laptops are just as limited... it's getting into desktops where it becomes apparent.

Krozone

20-10-2009, 03:16 PM

Mac 100%

I'm Running Both Windows 7 and Snow Leopard on my Duo Core 4GIG, 1 TB 24" Imac.

Best of both worlds.. Those who bash the MAC whine because they cannot afford it.. that or they (Ahem, BAM ) are concerned that if they choose to get a Mac, They will opt for one of those Colourfull Old IMAC's. The pretty colours... That of course will encourage them to come out of the Closet.

Stick with the Id 10 T error's all you like.. I prefer the 3some. :>

** Sad to say however, that Windows 7 does run faster on my machine then Snow Leopard **... Not what would be expected, but for whatever reason.. In my case, it run's quicker..

KrO!

BTW: Not sure what "Id 10 T" Errors are?? Then you're not a seasoned system user by any means, Mac or PC (Among others...)

kidmode

20-10-2009, 03:35 PM

PC 4 life.

Direwolf

20-10-2009, 08:20 PM

Make your life better. Get a Mac. No viruses, quality hardware & the most stable OS out there. No Vista headaches. I've been using Mac for the past 20 yrs or so... I'd never go for a Windows based machine. iLife and iWork packages are great for home use. Professional software, well... name it... Video editing, photo editing, web design, Unix programming are awesome. This is just to name a few. Think of it this way. Almost everyone loves the iPod. It's running a lite version of MacOS X.

Their machines are super fast (even the low end ones). What is it that a consumer can do on a PC that cannot to easier and faster on a Mac? Not much. What... Excel has more features? C'mon. Oh yeah... did I mention no viruses? -- Just my two cents

Jameson

21-10-2009, 12:38 AM

gimme stats and goals.. then we can talk computers. j/k

Jameson

21-10-2009, 12:42 AM

All depends in what you wan to do. If gaming isn't an issue at all get yourself an Apple. Interface is easy to use all the same apps are there as in windows, no viruses, and all the flexibility of a Unix environment. Only downfall is the pricing. Ive been running a hackintosh for a quite a few years now because I became tired of the cost.

Shortdave

21-10-2009, 01:41 AM

. Almost everyone loves the iPod. It's running a lite version of MacOS X.

The first thing I did to my ipod was get rid of itunes and then after a few months I put linux on it. way better now. :D

tiramisu

21-10-2009, 02:28 AM

By far the windows development workstations that I have seen are the high end macs.
Dual Quad Core Mac Pro w/ 16 gigs is a wonderful thing to run windows on.

kloan

21-10-2009, 03:43 AM

oh man that new iMac with the 27" lcd and quad core i7 is making me cum in my pants.....

ok, not quite. but it's a hell of a machine!

i like the new mouse they just announced as well. gonna be grabbing one of those soon to replace my crappy logitech nano.

Krozone

21-10-2009, 09:39 AM

Been so busy with work, I didn't know there was a release...

Very nice.. I think my 24" isn't quite large enough... Might have to upgrade. :>

Thx for the heads up Kloan!

Snow Leopard and Windows 7 on that would be sweet!

KrO!

HoliTheCat

21-10-2009, 11:37 AM

Been a mac user for both my laptops and desktops for almost two years now.

Biggest difference I find is neither of my two computers seem to have slowed down at all...whereas I found I was replacing my traditional 'pc' almost annually due to virus, spyware and general decrease in performance.

My two cents.