Mike Lockett, natural?

[KINE]

Hey, What do you guys think about this guy Mike Lockett, he's self professed all-natural, even MD mag says he's 100% drug free...http://www.davepalumbo.com/2006%20Photos/NPC%20TEAM%20UNIVERSE%20FREE/images/DSC07476.jpg

[icey_boi]

i duno man... if he says he is he might very well be natty.

but i duno looks to good to be true to me

[champcar99]

or is it another case of flex wheeler mentality..

I use to do alot of juice but now I am a natural freak.... but I use to do alot...lol..

[icey_boi]

like me....

i used to do juice...

i still do. but i used to too.

lmfao!

[BDH]

Everybody lies...

[waderow]

If I was competing, i would lie too. Why would you admit?

[broken7]

No way to know for sure but you never know he might be myostatin negative or some other genetic thing going on. Claims it's a gift from god, eats candy, hasn't been training all that long, was 200 or 220 (not exactly sure what the exact # was) ripped before he started bodybuilding.

[waderow]

if he is natty, I HATE him

[420]

Serge Nubret claims he was all natural. I think its BS. Look at his physique. DAMN! I don't believe that guy is natural either.

[Mad-Bull]

I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt it. Some people just say this to almost make themselves believe it. Even with Myostain deficiency his physique still would have been hard to attain... but I guess anything is possible now a days. If he is natural, whoa!

[ubcpower]

The only reason i might believe it is because only 2-3 years ago this guy ate about 2 meals/day alot of it being fast food and ate candy and drank Coke. As soon as he got on a well structured diet apparenty the results were un-heard of.
From an interview on md.com with D Palumbo you can also tell that the guy doesnt know much in the way of bodybuildign specific diet and training principles , he is completely young in the sport and just a complete freak. However, by looking at his pics it does seem a little too good to be true.

[icey_boi]

what is Myostain deficiency?

[fit226]

i saw him last year at the arnold classic and he's got a rediculous small waist...its all illusion...wasn't the biggest guy by all means but he had an awesome physique.

[St]

Everybody lies...


Shit i have seen this so much over the years.

[BDH]

i saw him last year at the arnold classic and he's got a rediculous small waist...its all illusion...wasn't the biggest guy by all means but he had an awesome physique.Shit, bro... youre alive!!! Shoot me a msg and let me know how things are going...

You still owe me a car ride...lol

[O-Train]

Serge Nubret is about as natural as Arnold. Myostatin deficiency is quite rare. Double knockout, like the Belgian Blue cows is extremely rare. I don't think Lockett is natural. I bet he just plays the natural card so people bother to take a second look. I suppose there are genetic freakazoids out there but what is more likely? Maybe if he was 36 and had been doing everything right for years but...look at his arms...

An oversimplification is that there are 2 myostatin genes. It's kind of like why people are different colours (except more genes code for that). The myostatin genes inhibit muscular growth. So a double knockout (both inactive) of a person's myostatin genes would make them able to grow much easier and become much more muscular. Even without any kind of training.

[4031]

I believe it, when i was a natural competitor, everyone thought i was on the juice....the bottom line is he is only lying to himself

[purelife]

no way he's natural total bull shit

[cedric]

Hey, What do you guys think about this guy Mike Lockett, he's self professed all-natural, even MD mag says he's 100% drug free...

the only people that can ever answer that correctly is mike lockett himself and his source.

[Seth]

Not buying it a single second

[Descimus]

Well if he compete with other natural athlete in a tested competition he as to be natural right :laugh

[Felinecougar]

If he were white I would doubt his being natural.
Funny how we assume a black guy would be built like a work horse.

[michealJ]

Arn't we all natty!!!
ha ha

[theboss]

Everybody lies...

that guy looks like me........but black...

:sexy

[champcar99]

I am natural..I am naturally from canada , I naturally get my gear from canada
I buy my supplements from Canada nuturally...there you have it people I am also NATURAL....:bch:flagC

[#8]

LOL, lets face the fact that nobody is natural anymore.....anyone who claims to be otherwise is a pathetic joke.....get over yourself

[Shortdave]

Hey, What do you guys think about this guy Mike Lockett, he's self professed all-natural, even MD mag says he's 100% drug free...http://www.davepalumbo.com/2006%20Photos/NPC%20TEAM%20UNIVERSE%20FREE/images/DSC07476.jpg


I would have to see him standing beside somebody else, but just based on the size of his head, he doesn't look freaky big, just large and lean, and if he is a genetic freak, then I can believe he is natural.

[Hatebreed]

yeah natural bodybuilding is an oxymoron, although there are a lot of naturally buffed black guys out there i guarantee you hes on the sauce.

[O-Train]

LOL, lets face the fact that nobody is natural anymore.....anyone who claims to be otherwise is a pathetic joke.....get over yourself

Care to explain yourself?

[#8]

Care to explain yourself?

how many people that compete that you know are legitimately natural? i know guys that compete at "natural competitions" who sauced for years and havnt used anything recently so now they compete as "naturals". I think 99.9% of people who compete are using something.

[O-Train]

yeah natural bodybuilding is an oxymoron, although there are a lot of naturally buffed black guys out there i guarantee you hes on the sauce.

Why exactly is natural bodybuilding an oxymoron? Please enlighten me.

[#8]

I would have to see him standing beside somebody else, but just based on the size of his head, he doesn't look freaky big, just large and lean, and if he is a genetic freak, then I can believe he is natural.

that statue he is standing behind is over 8ft tall!! no way is this guy natural LOL

[O-Train]

how many people that compete that you know are legitimately natural? i know guys that compete at "natural competitions" who sauced for years and havnt used anything recently so now they compete as "naturals". I think 99.9% of people who compete are using something.

I know me. If I poked myself in the ass with a needle I think I would remember.

[natenator]

hah this is gonna be good. OH gonna bitch slap someone around...

[#8]

I know me. If I poked myself in the ass with a needle I think I would remember.

fair enough. do you compete? have you ever won? lets see some pics.

[O-Train]

fair enough. do you compete? have you ever won? lets see some pics.

Yeah. Actually I won the first show I ever did. Although I competed as a junior, but it was an untested OPA show. I only do shows every 2 years and I'm relatively new to competition. Doing a show next year. Right now I'm 5'11 220lbs but not near contest shape. No pictures.

[natenator]

fair enough. do you compete? have you ever won? lets see some pics.
why does he need pics? Chris Aceto or Chad Nichols don't exactly look like ppl who lift weights but they are arguably two of the most knowledgeable peeps going in the world of bodybuilding and athletics. Pics don't mean anything.

[#8]

Yeah. Actually I won the first show I ever did. Although I competed as a junior, but it was an untested OPA show. I only do shows every 2 years and I'm relatively new to competition. Doing a show next year. Right now I'm 5'11 220lbs but not near contest shape. No pictures.

ive seen you on nexus for a while now so i will take your word for it as you seem to know your shite. you definitely fit into the 0.1% catagory. i have yet to meet anyone who can claim what you do that didnt do it with help. congrats dude.

[Hatebreed]

I knew a lot of guys growing up who would smoke all day, eat 0-1 meals a day and were still ripped. genetics>you

Winning competitions however is another story, there is still a lot of work that has to be put in.

[#8]

I knew a lot of guys growing up who would smoke all day, eat 0-1 meals a day and were still ripped. genetics>you

Winning competitions however is another story, there is still a lot of work that has to be put in.

being ripped at 140 lbs is pretty easy. i could do that to if i ate 0-1 meals a day lol. i guess you think those kids on the infomercials in africa are pretty "ripped" to then....

[Hatebreed]

about 200lbs now

however when we were 16 they were pretty ripped at 160

[ubcpower]

So hes competed in natural competitions yes, but does anyone know if hes done the organizations which require a urine and polygraph? I would like to know if he has passed a polygraph

[#8]

about 200lbs now

however when we were 16 they were pretty ripped at 160

i was SHREDDED at 160 lbs during my highschool hockey days. i still consider that to be a laughable weight if you are anywhere near 6ft or more.

[Hatebreed]

i was SHREDDED at 160 lbs during my highschool hockey days. i still consider that to be a laughable weight if you are anywhere near 6ft or more.

yeah my friends and I are pretty short compared to most, tallest would be 6'1 most being 5'9-5'11, look proportioned though.

[icey_boi]

what is Myostain deficiency?

bump for an answer.

[#8]

yeah my friends and I are pretty short compared to most, tallest would be 6'1 most being 5'9-5'11, look proportioned though.

i hear ya. im 6'1 and have been since my last year of high school. i entered grade 9 at 5'1 so for me it was impossible to make any muscle gains during those years as all my food intake was needed for linear growth. i didnt risk stunting myself by lifting till i reached over 6ft. i dont find a physique impressive if the guys abs protrude as much or more than his chest. i find this is the case for a lot of guys who appear "ripped" but from a side view these guys have very little actual muscle on their upper body.

[AlladdinSane]

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[Shortdave]

Well I am 5'6" 215lbs visible upper abs and I am thinking about crossing over to the dark side this summer, but I need a 450lbs pause and go bench press before I start up, gotta hit those natural plateau's first ya know.

[Drifter]

does anyone know if hes done the organizations which require a urine and polygraph? I would like to know if he has passed a polygraph

Those are easy to pass . I can teach you in an hour to pass both tests

[O-Train]

bump for an answer.

I posted up an answer already.

Shortdave, you're a freak. Regardless of better leverage or whatever, that's impressive. Do you always lift heavy. 5x5, powerlifting programs? Or do you mix in some other stuff too. You're aiming for a 450 bench, pause at the chest, no benchshirt? Let us know when you get it.

In regards to the other thing about 0.01%. There are natural bodybuilding organizations. Some of the guys cheat but a lot of people don't. The last one I did and the next one are both urine tests. So yeah, easy enough to beat but at least it keeps people semi honest. It's all about conditioning anyways, and sure drugs help, but you don't need them.

[#8]

Well I am 5'6" 215lbs visible upper abs and I am thinking about crossing over to the dark side this summer, but I need a 450lbs pause and go bench press before I start up, gotta hit those natural plateau's first ya know.

thats pretty impressive for sure. thats a serious weight to push around regardless of aas use or not. my only issue with using bench press as a measure of strength, again with shorter guys, your range of motion is drastically less than those who are above 6 ft. i see short guys move impressive weight but the actual bar only moves about 12-15 inches up and down because their arms are so short. im not trying to downplay your strength at all, dont get me wrong, i just believe that a bench press is not an exercise that should be used as a measure of overall strength at all as most people use it.

[fathead]

i could believe that a natty guy could be that "large" but his physique has a certain quality/look that i find hard to believe is completely natural.

strength and size is attainable without aas, bench press numbers (although impressive strength feats) have zero to do with bodybuilding

[Shortdave]

Oh I will not claim to be a bodybuilder, just using myself, a relatively normal guy with decent strength genetics as a parallel against what a natural bodybuilder with superior genetics might be able to produce.

[icey_boi]

I posted up an answer already.

Shortdave, you're a freak. Regardless of better leverage or whatever, that's impressive. Do you always lift heavy. 5x5, powerlifting programs? Or do you mix in some other stuff too. You're aiming for a 450 bench, pause at the chest, no benchshirt? Let us know when you get it.

In regards to the other thing about 0.01%. There are natural bodybuilding organizations. Some of the guys cheat but a lot of people don't. The last one I did and the next one are both urine tests. So yeah, easy enough to beat but at least it keeps people semi honest. It's all about conditioning anyways, and sure drugs help, but you don't need them.

Got it.

thanks hurley.

i wish i has that. thats for sure!

[icey_boi]

Well I am 5'6" 215lbs visible upper abs and I am thinking about crossing over to the dark side this summer, but I need a 450lbs pause and go bench press before I start up, gotta hit those natural plateau's first ya know.

fook me! thats a big lift ShortDave. way to go bro!
keep up the good work. the "dark side" aint so bad.lol

[icey_boi]

tiny balls make your cock look bigger short dave lmao

[Shortdave]

tiny balls make your cock look bigger short dave lmao

Yeah I am looking forward to it, see how far I can really push myself, plus the illusion of having a large wiener will be neat.

[O-Train]

Got it.

thanks hurley.

i wish i has that. thats for sure!

Maybe, but maybe not. Scientists really don't know what will happen to humans with a double knockout myostatin deficiency. I know there is a little boy in Germany that has this rare genetic condition. He will probably be a guinea pig his whole life.

How much of a role do you guys think genetics play (without considering rare conditions)? I remember when I started training at 14 with my dad would always tell me that I was "maximizing my genetic potential". Also the body, to some degree, can remodel the muscle fibers themselves. So you could change the ratio of fast to slow twitch muscle fiber. I guess if you were born with a higher percentage of fast twitch you would be at a distinct advantage.

[#8]

Maybe, but maybe not. Scientists really don't know what will happen to humans with a double knockout myostatin deficiency. I know there is a little boy in Germany that has this rare genetic condition. He will probably be a guinea pig his whole life.

How much of a role do you guys think genetics play (without considering rare conditions)? I remember when I started training at 14 with my dad would always tell me that I was "maximizing my genetic potential". Also the body, to some degree, can remodel the muscle fibers themselves. So you could change the ratio of fast to slow twitch muscle fiber. I guess if you were born with a higher percentage of fast twitch you would be at a distinct advantage.

14 wow thats young dude. no wonder you won your first comp its practically in your blood. i didnt hop on board till i was 19.

[Hatebreed]

Why exactly is natural bodybuilding an oxymoron? Please enlighten me.

What we are doing to our bodies is in no way natural. Creatine, protein shakes,multivitamins, our bodies are very happy being 160-180 lbs in homeostasis.

[natenator]

14 wow thats young dude. no wonder you won your first comp its practically in your blood. i didnt hop on board till i was 19.
14 here as well for hockey and football. been training for 18 years.

[BDH]

What we are doing to our bodies is in no way natural. Creatine, protein shakes,multivitamins, our bodies are very happy being 160-180 lbs in homeostasis.
Amen to that...

[ironwill]

I believe he could be natural....Check out his muscle structure in other photos of him.....weird hams, calves...Look at the muscles in his damn face...I think he just has way more muscle fibres than most folks...Very different look to him in back and side poses...IMO...

SD, impressive lifts bro....It will be interesting to hear of you doing 450 clean bench.....
If you hit the dark side this sumeer, that will also be interesting...FREAKKKKK

[Born2Juice4Ever]

I was natural once.....many many years ago....hummm....

[broken7]

I believe he could be natural....Check out his muscle structure in other photos of him.....weird hams, calves...Look at the muscles in his damn face...I think he just has way more muscle fibres than most folks...Very different look to him in back and side poses...IMO...

SD, impressive lifts bro....It will be interesting to hear of you doing 450 clean bench.....
If you hit the dark side this sumeer, that will also be interesting...FREAKKKKK

He does have a very strange look that I've never seen elsewhere. The back of his neck has small rolls.

[O-Train]

The picture quality is bad but take a look. He's 24, training for 2 years and supposedly eats poorly. Forget good genetics, if he's human than he's taking something and more likely anything and everything. It pisses me off people are even talking about this guy being natural. If you went up to Ronnie Coleman and asked him if he were natural he would probably say yes. Enough said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av7XNrFg9WU

[varking]

I cant see it... I know guys who do natty shows and juice. My questions is if this guy is natty and he is that big what would he look like if he was running some of the same stuff the rest of the pros are running?? he would be Mr.O. So why isnt he???

[NorthOf60]

Isn't everyone natural. Look at the WWE, Olympics, or Professional Sports all those guys are natural aren't they. They all say they are, must be true.

[BDH]

After watching a few videos of this guy, I would have no problem walking up to him and calling him a liar right to his face...

[ironwill]

After watching a few videos of this guy, I would have no problem walking up to him and calling him a liar right to his face...


ummmm, you liar....

[BDH]

Happy Boxing Day, I.N.

[Matt_Comm]

Hello - first post (I haven't even made an introductory post) but I've just been reading through some threads first. Anyhow, this is a topic I personally have been very interested in for a few years now (I'm 25) through a personal debate on weather or not / when to start anything more serious that my over the counter supplements. I've been training since...forget how old I was in grade 10 but ever since a girl beat me in an arm wrestle :) -Ya I'll save it for a post in the intro thread. In the mean time, I came across this natural bodybuilder on bb.com .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCkFcmcMeGI&feature=related

As for my opinion - I can confidently say this guy is natural in a somewhat pure sense of the word...
As for Mr. Lockett....Common...I wouldn't put any money on it.

Speaking of freaks a guy I know from my old gym went from smaller than me 5'8 / 190 / 11% ( I know not so impressive) to quite a bit larger, ripped, fuller and he ate pizza / pop, you name it. Disgusting - and he didn't even lift proper weight, he'd be trying to curl 70's , elbows swinging everywhere and he still got huge..he ended up looking like a mini-lockett or something - obviously claimed to not even take a protein shake. And I believed him... :/ ugh.

[O-Train]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCkFcmcMeGI&feature=related

As for my opinion - I can confidently say this guy is natural in a somewhat pure sense of the word...



Yeah, that's what a natural bodybuilder looks like. Kind of reminds me of me in the sense that he applies a lot of science to bodybuilding. He's just a touch bigger than me in the arms and calves. Although by the time I'm 25...lights out, game over.

[ironwill]

I am far from nieve...IMO, but i think there is something to Lockett, as i mentioned prior, he has a strange look to all of his muscles, not just the ones most influenced by anabolics....Very different look indeed, like the myostatin defecient bull....

But people will chuck shit at him even if he is natural, no-one wants to believe its possible...I know the feeling and im by no means a big freak, but a lot will never believe the doses i use because they do 5 times as much with half the results....But my dad is 250 and not fat , and my brother is 250, not fat in the least and at work is called the human crane for good reason and i dont know anyone stronger as far as non BB types, he lifts 45 gallon drums of oil on to a 3 foot high flat deck, fairly ez, he is a construction millwright...
My mom is 4 foot 11 inches and tiny, i got the runt of the litter title, i am over 250, but i workout 5-6 days per week, and utilize supplements...
There are all kinds out there so i believe it is possible for sure...

O hurley, are you saying you look likeLayne norton except a tad smaller arms and calves, i would say that is very, very impressive au naturel, and i do believe norton is natural as well....I bet a lot do not believe though...You will have to update your pics soon, sounds like you made some great gains, ive been following your thread at nexus...good work...

Happy boxing day BDH, ...speaking of bdh, has anyone seen his pics, id say another guy with great genes....
I know its humbling to see guys like lockett, and again, i would say i believe him only because he has more muscle in his face and weird spots on his frame, ive never seen before...Or maybe he is in the hubba bubba blow off bubble contest and lying because it is a tested event????lolol

Happy holidays all..

[O-Train]

I am far from nieve...IMO, but i think there is something to Lockett, as i mentioned prior, he has a strange look to all of his muscles, not just the ones most influenced by anabolics....Very different look indeed, like the myostatin defecient bull....

But people will chuck shit at him even if he is natural, no-one wants to believe its possible...I know the feeling and im by no means a big freak, but a lot will never believe the doses i use because they do 5 times as much with half the results....But my dad is 250 and not fat , and my brother is 250, not fat in the least and at work is called the human crane for good reason and i dont know anyone stronger as far as non BB types, he lifts 45 gallon drums of oil on to a 3 foot high flat deck, fairly ez, he is a construction millwright...
My mom is 4 foot 11 inches and tiny, i got the runt of the litter title, i am over 250, but i workout 5-6 days per week, and utilize supplements...
There are all kinds out there so i believe it is possible for sure...

O hurley, are you saying you look likeLayne norton except a tad smaller arms and calves, i would say that is very, very impressive au naturel, and i do believe norton is natural as well....I bet a lot do not believe though...You will have to update your pics soon, sounds like you made some great gains, ive been following your thread at nexus...good work...

Happy boxing day BDH, ...speaking of bdh, has anyone seen his pics, id say another guy with great genes....
I know its humbling to see guys like lockett, and again, i would say i believe him only because he has more muscle in his face and weird spots on his frame, ive never seen before...Or maybe he is in the hubba bubba blow off bubble contest and lying because it is a tested event????lolol

Happy holidays all..

I think there is definitely a genetic component to you being a big guy. You also train much more intelligently than most people and diet is probably better too. Layne Norton looks natural to me. He has a good physique but he also mentions training since Grade 10 and he seems to have a good diet.

Since I switched from volume to high inensity training and increased my caloric intake. Not so much a perfect diet but I eat more. I have noticed significant results. Probably over 20lbs of muscle in a year although until I diet it's impossible to say how much will stick. I'll post up pics when I decide to start dieting, probably start very slowly sometime in the spring. I know I have the potential to get much bigger. Layne Norton's training program will limit him.

If Mike Lockett has a genetic condition then I completely believe his physique is possible. It's just more likely that he's normal.

[MoooBaby]

Testosterone is natural
so is T3 I think
So is growth hormone
and Insulin
And ifg
and pcgl

. . .only thign missing from that stack is some tren. . but that's a drug not a naturally produced hormone

[ironwill]

Testosterone is natural
so is T3 I think
So is growth hormone
and Insulin
And ifg
and pcgl

. . .only thign missing from that stack is some tren. . but that's a drug not a naturally produced hormone

good point, but their levels are much higher when utilizing via needle or what not...or via exogenous administration....
and tren is a hormone, not a drug....

[MoooBaby]

good point, but their levels are much higher when utilizing via needle or what not...or via exogenous administration....
and tren is a hormone, not a drug....


I guess what I meant is the body doesn't produce Trenbolone at anypoint, especially not with some kind of ester attached to it. I consider tren a drug, ever been on it? :fb

BTW this is Smashedup from nexus :P I dont' think I told anyone that yet. Is this the same guy as Littlewilly? Or just the same ironwill from nexus?

[Matt_Comm]

....he also mentions training since Grade 10 and he seems to have a good diet...
..........Layne Norton's training program will limit him.



No it's me who's been training since GR. 10 :) :) I'm a far cry from Layne still, but in any case, why will his training limit him, and how much farther do you think a guy of his size can go and stay all natural? 18" arms are a decent size for someone with his bodyfat, and if that's cold / unflexed that's awesome.

[O-Train]

No it's me who's been training since GR. 10 :) :) I'm a far cry from Layne still, but in any case, why will his training limit him, and how much farther do you think a guy of his size can go and stay all natural? 18" arms are a decent size for someone with his bodyfat, and if that's cold / unflexed that's awesome.

How much further? In a previous post I said almost everyone never comes close to their true potential. So he could get a lot bigger, but that's up to him. His training is basic, generic. Just from what I saw. All measurements are taken flexed. 18'' unflexed arms would be enormous. His arms are more than decent, he has a good physique.

[#8]

flex wheeler is natural too

[Matt_Comm]

How much further? In a previous post I said almost everyone never comes close to their true potential. So he could get a lot bigger, but that's up to him. His training is basic, generic. Just from what I saw. All measurements are taken flexed. 18'' unflexed arms would be enormous. His arms are more than decent, he has a good physique.

I agree - all you need is to train with someone else to mix things up for even 1 workout to remember that you've been in a rut for the past month :( ..Speaking of full potential that is.

If we didn't have jobs and lives I'm sure more of us would basically live in the gym and eventually be pro-material..

[ironwill]

I guess what I meant is the body doesn't produce Trenbolone at anypoint, especially not with some kind of ester attached to it. I consider tren a drug, ever been on it? :fb

BTW this is Smashedup from nexus :P I dont' think I told anyone that yet. Is this the same guy as Littlewilly? Or just the same ironwill from nexus?

what would you guess....no matter...

[LIVEHARD]

If it makes him feel better to say he's natty

Than ???????? Whatever To each ther own

I am no judge or jury

[cnelson09]

and my chicken breast are all natural, you know the ones at the grocery store that are like 16oz one breast lol

[kawikaratekid]

Serge Nubret claims he was all natural. I think its BS. Look at his physique. DAMN! I don't believe that guy is natural either.

I call bs on that also.

[cog]

Nips are a little extended.For some reason his left leg is bigger.

[C-money]

Michael lockett natural???? ummmmm NO...... I think the only difference between him and other top tier bodybuilders is that he truly believes his own bullshit.

[Ritch]

Serge Nubret natural, what kind of shit is that? No way, and I don`t believe in this whole natural claim tied to Locket either. In an interview they`d ask him what he eats and says he likes skittles. If by saying skittles, he takes a bunch of d ball, and shit like skittles, then I believe him...

He`s natural just like that dumbass who was claiming he can preacher curl 350lbs, when in the actual vid, the ****er was stugling with something like 80lbs. This guy was saying he works 2 or 3 jobs, eats twice a day and trains for hours and hours... Can`t remember his name but what a bullshiter. Just remembered, I think it`s max charles. This guy is smoking some good shit...

[INked]

200 yrs of breeding the biggest healthiest males with the biggest healthiest females slave breeding works.See any geneticly gifted Africans?No you don't actualy kinda pethetic gentic wise if you ask me.The English and Spannish loaded a few ships with a few of the "lucky ones" and headed to America/Carribean.Hitler would have done the same thing with white people in a quater of the time!...............Don't be mad,it's true!:popc

[ironwill]

lets see his balls......:D

[L3]

200 yrs of breeding the biggest healthiest males with the biggest healthiest females slave breeding works.

NFL = N**** ****in Large

a very good friend of mine from somalia jokes about how he wishes his ancestors were slaves whenver we watch a game

[huma324]

Yeah this comes up through the years, like Mike Ashley in the 90's. Completely on par with other pros and running around with a ginormous bitch tit. I think sometimes dudes just want to market themselves as such.

I am natural if I do my free posing routine, but only if I am standing on top of my stove.

[natenator]

NFL = N**** ****in Large

a very good friend of mine from somalia jokes about how he wishes his ancestors were slaves whenver we watch a game
ok, Chris.... lol

[L3]

ok, Chris.... lol


You got pecs? I got tecks

[Timbo89]

i think a lot of guys claiming to be natural are prolly doing so in hopes of getting a supplement company to sign them. because then they can make the claim he is jacked from using their products and he doesnt use steroids lol.

[cog]

Nips are a little extended.For some reason his left leg is bigger.

There was a guy on PM who claimed one of his legs grew much more using some Lr3.

[cog]

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[dremen]

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Wow this dude ever heard of one legged squats??? LOL

Shit that left leg is huge and the other.....meh.

Gunna take a good year to even that shit out. WOW.

[dremen]

Aslo you guys need to remember that black men(some woman too)were BREAD to be huge and strong for a long time so there are bound to be a few black dudes out there that are just gifted i guess.

I seen a 14 year old black kid last summer that must have been six foot, 230 pounds and cut to shit and i know for a fact that the dude is clean.

Only thing my genetics gave me was the need to get drunk and gamble, and i fight that off daily.....LOL:friday

[Timbo89]

Aslo you guys need to remember that black men(some woman too)were BREAD to be huge and strong for a long time so there are bound to be a few black dudes out there that are just gifted i guess.

I seen a 14 year old black kid last summer that must have been six foot, 230 pounds and cut to shit and i know for a fact that the dude is clean.

Only thing my genetics gave me was the need to get drunk and gamble, and i fight that off daily.....LOL:friday

years ago this would have been true, but now not so much. its hard to run from cops when ur too big, although i suppose the TV would seem lighter :yeah

[dremen]

years ago this would have been true, but now not so much. its hard to run from cops when ur too big, although i suppose the TV would seem lighter :yeah

Cmon that's kinda racist man:rulz

Also there are still STRONG genetics in african american people. White men tend to not get as heavy where as black men seem to get huge at a young age and keep a lower BF%.

Now im not saying this is true for all white men and black men, but if you have eyes you understand what im saying here.

[gimmeabogey]

I'm newbie here so I hope this doesn't sound too stupid :confused:

Would someone describe me what is considered 'natural'?

Do supplements count as natural?

If so which types are ok which ones not ok?

Also where is there a good store for supplements. I'm in Toronto east end.

[gimmeabogey]

I'm newbie here so I hope this doesn't sound too stupid :confused:

Would someone describe me what is considered 'natural'?

Do supplements count as natural?

If so which types are ok which ones not ok?

Also where is there a good store for supplements. I'm in Toronto east end.
Thanks for all your help.

[Dryvrgrl]

I'm newbie here so I hope this doesn't sound too stupid :confused:

Would someone describe me what is considered 'natural'?

Do supplements count as natural?

If so which types are ok which ones not ok?

Also where is there a good store for supplements. I'm in Toronto east end.

Hey!..
there are some guys on the board who would like to say that anything besides food and water is unnatural... DONT LISTEN TO THEM!!! lol

I am natural athlete also... I suppliment with protein, glutamine, creatine, NOS, CLA, vitamins and multiple sets of lifting heavy weight!;) I was in contact with IDFA (International drug free athletics) as I was considering doing a show for them, and was told basically anything you can buy at superstore is ok to use!
(welcome to the board!)

[BAM]

I heart this thread

[gimmeabogey]

Are there any retail stores for supplements in Toronto east or Scarborough area where I can get some advice as well purchase?

Drug store and superstore employees are not exactly trained on consulting on this stuff.

[cog]

Wow this dude ever heard of one legged squats??? LOL

Shit that left leg is huge and the other.....meh.

Gunna take a good year to even that shit out. WOW.

He won't ever even that out.Obviously he's been playing with peptides.So much for his natural claim.

[steve_d]

He won't ever even that out.Obviously he's been playing with peptides.So much for his natural claim.

peptides won't do that.

[William Shatner]

So many of these clowns are 'on' and then claim natural at the show...because technically they are clean at that point.

Its like me telling the wife I'm not on steroids...I'm not, techcially i'm on HRT (hormones aren't steroids) All depends on what you convince yourself is natural.

[O-Train]

So many of these clowns are 'on' and then claim natural at the show...because technically they are clean at that point.

Its like me telling the wife I'm not on steroids...I'm not, techcially i'm on HRT (hormones aren't steroids) All depends on what you convince yourself is natural.

Steroids are hormones. They are steroid hormones. Just like peptides are peptide hormones.

[cog]

peptides won't do that.

How would you know Mr.Expert?How the **** do you explain the growth of the bigger leg?Site shots.

[steve_d]

How would you know Mr.Expert?How the **** do you explain the growth of the bigger leg?Site shots.

calm down man. All I am saying is that his size is not due to peptides. And likely his leg size difference isn't due to it either. My left leg is bigger than my right, and its not due to peptides. I actually think it's because my right leg is about 3/4 inch taller than my left.

I don't know the reason in his case. You think he got that big with a peptide? Probably some injuries, nerve damage, who knows. A small amount of it could be attributed to peptides - assuming he always went to 1 side.

[natenator]

So many of these clowns are 'on' and then claim natural at the show...because technically they are clean at that point.

Its like me telling the wife I'm not on steroids...I'm not, techcially i'm on HRT (hormones aren't steroids) All depends on what you convince yourself is natural.
Hormones aren't steroids?

Would you like a chance to re-think that for a second before you look absolutely foolish instead of just a little bit foolish?

[steve_d]

So many of these clowns are 'on' and then claim natural at the show...because technically they are clean at that point.

Its like me telling the wife I'm not on steroids...I'm not, techcially i'm on HRT (hormones aren't steroids) All depends on what you convince yourself is natural.

I think he meant that these clowns saying they are clean would be like him saying to his wife he is not on steroids, and that he is on hormone therapy...As in, it would be foolish to say I he's not on steroids when he's on HRT.

If not, then yeah, time to re-think the statement!

[cog]

calm down man. All I am saying is that his size is not due to peptides. And likely his leg size difference isn't due to it either. My left leg is bigger than my right, and its not due to peptides. I actually think it's because my right leg is about 3/4 inch taller than my left.

I don't know the reason in his case. You think he got that big with a peptide? Probably some injuries, nerve damage, who knows. A small amount of it could be attributed to peptides - assuming he always went to 1 side.

There's a couple of inches difference in those legs.The protocol is to put the Lr3 in both sides.Didn't wade mention a difference in response?Anyhoo,extended nips and all,hardly a natural.

[nisser]

I think he's just talking about hiding behind a technicality.

[St]

So many of these clowns are 'on' and then claim natural at the show...because technically they are clean at that point.

Its like me telling the wife I'm not on steroids...I'm not, techcially i'm on HRT (hormones aren't steroids) All depends on what you convince yourself is natural.

Everyone is natural haha.

[kloan]

...............

[Victor85]

Hey, What do you guys think about this guy Mike Lockett, he's self professed all-natural, even MD mag says he's 100% drug free...http://www.davepalumbo.com/2006%20Photos/NPC%20TEAM%20UNIVERSE%20FREE/images/DSC07476.jpg

If this guy is natural, then we should put him through test to find out how he is able to keep such LBM even if dieting and have such great vascularity.
If he is natural then I also look "natural".

[japh]

Its is entirely possible that he is natural. Just because its not probable doesn't make it possible.

I've been privy to some genetic freaks in my time at university in Hawaii which most people because of their ego will not admit exist or they just don't know do because they live one place in canada their whole life are ignorant.

I'll tell you about one. He was samoan. His knee structure was freaky looking. Twice the size as a normal "big person." His calves were 19" His legs back and chest were enormous and he looked like he had been lifting hard for years! Arms 18" He was 250 at 15% bodyfat approximately at a height of 5 foot 11 inches. He didn't lift weights. Think about it. The guy could have dieted down and placed well in a bodybuilding contest in the light heavies without touching a weight. He ate, slept, and played rugby. I then made him my weight lifting partner. The FIRST time he bench pressed he pressed 315. Who presses 315 their first time! lol After 6 weeks he bench pressed 415. He gained 15lbs in the first 6 weeks without ANY change in diet. He only ate food. No supplements of any kind. How does a guy gain 15lbs without changing his diet anyways? What did that 15lbs consist of in that short a time. Answer...genetics and muscle. Anyone who knows anything about that culture knows those boys can eat and sleep. lol Also, large woman are deemed attractive in that culture. They've been making big babies for thousands of years on that rock.

Its OK to call BS. I know what I know. lol I've experienced a few other genetic freaks in my time. I used to think I had good genetics. I don't anymore.

[Big D]

good post... I read a study they did with some prisoners. and it was pretty much explaining how these guys can get so big and strong eating 3 shitty meals a day and still be able to squat over 600 pounds.

[O-Train]

Its is entirely possible that he is natural. Just because its not probable doesn't make it possible.

I've been privy to some genetic freaks in my time at university in Hawaii which most people because of their ego will not admit exist or they just don't know do because they live one place in canada their whole life are ignorant.

I'll tell you about one. He was samoan. His knee structure was freaky looking. Twice the size as a normal "big person." His calves were 19" His legs back and chest were enormous and he looked like he had been lifting hard for years! Arms 18" He was 250 at 15% bodyfat approximately at a height of 5 foot 11 inches. He didn't lift weights. Think about it. The guy could have dieted down and placed well in a bodybuilding contest in the light heavies without touching a weight. He ate, slept, and played rugby. I then made him my weight lifting partner. The FIRST time he bench pressed he pressed 315. Who presses 315 their first time! lol After 6 weeks he bench pressed 415. He gained 15lbs in the first 6 weeks without ANY change in diet. He only ate food. No supplements of any kind. How does a guy gain 15lbs without changing his diet anyways? What did that 15lbs consist of in that short a time. Answer...genetics and muscle. Anyone who knows anything about that culture knows those boys can eat and sleep. lol Also, large woman are deemed attractive in that culture. They've been making big babies for thousands of years on that rock.

Its OK to call BS. I know what I know. lol I've experienced a few other genetic freaks in my time. I used to think I had good genetics. I don't anymore.

You met one fat somoan and all of a sudden he could have been a great bodybuilder? It's called fat guy genetics (or an endomorphic body type) ...lets see him on stage...in shape...all natural...yeah right.

[O-Train]

Somoans are big people because of genetics but also MAINLY because of their terrible diet which is now almost completely imported crappy food. They would make great bouncers or powerlifters but terrible bodybuilders. Guys with huge joints look bad and unimpressive on stage. Besides...Mike Lockett looks nothing like any of these people. He doesn't have huge joints. People can be ignorant all they want saying that yeah he could be one in a million and natural. The reality is that being 1 in a million means he's about a million times more likely to not be natural.

Next guest to appear is Teramisu telling us all we did a bad job choosing our parents and that genetics are to blame for everything :D...

[Andre Gregoire]

Next guest to appear is Teramisu telling us all we did a bad job choosing our parents and that genetics are to blame for everything :D...

That is one area that I agree with Tiramisu. Dante Trudell the founder of DC talks about it a lot. These bodybuilding boards are filled with 90% white guy with shitty genetics blaming everyone that looks better than them for using more juice.

It's all about genetics, sorry to say but it's true. I believe the samoan story because I have heard it told 10 times before.

Overfeeding is very anabolic even in obese woman some studies have shown lean body mass gains of 40-50% of the total weight.

Truth is black guys in general have better genetics than white guys, they often have higher natural test, fuller muscle bellies, smaller waists and more advantageous muscle insertions.

Ever go to the beach and see 9-10yr old black kids playing soccer? Last summer I saw a group of 4-5 of them and you know what 3 of them had capped delts and abs...

In my gym, Amada Youssef is a natural competitor that has done VERY well on the national level in natural competitions.

Several years ago, a guy I know went up to him and asked him if he was preparing for the Ottawa show only a few weeks away. Amada replied that he wasn't and had only been training for a few weeks, my friend convinced him to compete and he did and won his class. A natural guy, trianing only for a few months won his class in a non-tested bodybuilding show...

Who ever said life was fair?

Next time chose better parents, like Tiramisu said.

Don't get me wrong everyone can significantly improve their physique and no one should ever use genetics as an excuse but to say that this sport isn't 90% about genetics is foolish.

[steve_d]

There are a lot of samoans, or black guys that you can start naming off that do real well in a bodybuilding show, but that doesn't mean they are lifetime natural - so no, I am not going to agree that it is even possible for Mr. Lockett to be natural. I can name just as many freaky white guys, but I hate that people will never believe a decent white guy can be natural because "white men can't jump" so to speak.

I am not a fan of people using "genetics" as a cop out for their own limitations. Nor am I a fan of people using their "lack of massive drug use" as a cop out.

Genetics can only take you so far, drugs can only take you so far, both together can only take you so far. Last but not least training and eating perfect can only take you so far as well. Having all three can take you basically as far as you can go...and being 1 in a million will only take you to the top 5000 on the planet. To be the top at the olympia, you need to be the 1 in a billion.

[ironwill]

That is one area that I agree with Tiramisu. Dante Trudell the founder of DC talks about it a lot. These bodybuilding boards are filled with 90% white guy with shitty genetics blaming everyone that looks better than them for using more juice.

It's all about genetics, sorry to say but it's true. I believe the samoan story because I have heard it told 10 times before.

Overfeeding is very anabolic even in obese woman some studies have shown lean body mass gains of 40-50% of the total weight.

Truth is black guys in general have better genetics than white guys, they often have higher natural test, fuller muscle bellies, smaller waists and more advantageous muscle insertions.

Ever go to the beach and see 9-10yr old black kids playing soccer? Last summer I saw a group of 4-5 of them and you know what 3 of them had capped delts and abs...

In my gym, Amada Youssef is a natural competitor that has done VERY well on the national level in natural competitions.

Several years ago, a guy I know went up to him and asked him if he was preparing for the Ottawa show only a few weeks away. Amada replied that he wasn't and had only been training for a few weeks, my friend convinced him to compete and he did and won his class. A natural guy, trianing only for a few months won his class in a non-tested bodybuilding show...

Who ever said life was fair?

Next time chose better parents, like Tiramisu said.

Don't get me wrong everyone can significantly improve their physique and no one should ever use genetics as an excuse but to say that this sport isn't 90% about genetics is foolish.

Dante will tell you if you ever get to chat with him, that in fact genetics arent everything, he was a 6 foot 2 scrawny kid at a buck forty something lbs, and built himself up to what he is now..He is big on extreme stretches to open up clavicles etc......He does say genetics are part of it, but definitely not the be all end all, I dont buy the genetic thing as a reason to not do your best and continue to improve, it is like a cop out to me......We can change a lot, dont fool yourself....:D
Genetics if you rely on them only are only as good as the mind as well, which is genetics to i suppose....lol

[natenator]

Genetics + lack of motivation or piss poor work ethic = Ricky Williams
Genetics + motivated and great work ethic = Ronnie Coleman
Shit Genetics + motivated + and great work ethic = Wayne Gretzky.

Genetics can get you far but if you don't have the other 2 there's only so far you'll get. That said even with all the motivation and ball busting you can still only go as far as your genetics will allow you to go but of course there are exceptions to ALL rules :)

[O-Train]

The whole black guys are jacked and white guys are skinny argument doesn't make sense to me. For every muscular black guy there's a tall skinny one and the same goes for white people. The increased genetic diversity argument someone was talking about makes sense as to why people of African decent are better represented in the "extremes".

Also keep in mind that the best bodybuilders may be exceptional but not as exceptional as one would believe by looking at them. Top bodybuilders are the best of the 0.00001% of people who want to look like that and have the means to do so.

[Andre Gregoire]

Dante will tell you if you ever get to chat with him, that in fact genetics arent everything, he was a 6 foot 2 scrawny kid at a buck forty something lbs, and built himself up to what he is now..He is big on extreme stretches to open up clavicles etc......He does say genetics are part of it, but definitely not the be all end all, I dont buy the genetic thing as a reason to not do your best and continue to improve, it is like a cop out to me......We can change a lot, dont fool yourself....:D
Genetics if you rely on them only are only as good as the mind as well, which is genetics to i suppose....lol

I agree with you 100%, I didn't mean for my post to sound like I believe genetics is the be all and end all.

I love Dante's philosophy and am a devote DC trainee, I have read most of his posts starting back from original cycles for pennies post.

That being said do you know why Dante doesn't compete? Because he doesn't have the genetic shape, the muscle insertions, the capped delts :D

I believe everyone can add tons of muscle to their physique with hard training, hard eating and consistency for years and years however if you don't have the right bone structure, muscle insertions, shape, etc... It doesn't matter if you add 75lbs of muscle to your physique it won't look as good as on the guy that looks like he was born for this.

He said so in that post he made on Intensemuscle titled something like 87 weeks out pics... then he says 87 weeks out from the Krispy Kreme classic or something like that and he posted several pics.

I also agree with Nate and Steve. Genetics can only take you so far and should never be a cop out. The be a champion you need the genetics, the drugs and the hardwork/dedication/consistency for over a decade.

The reality is that someone with shitty genetics and great work ethic can outwork his competition and do well at the local level but he probably won't make waves in a national show no matter how hard he works and how many years he tries.

[O-Train]

Who ever said life was fair?

Next time chose better parents, like Tiramisu said.

Don't get me wrong everyone can significantly improve their physique and no one should ever use genetics as an excuse but to say that this sport isn't 90% about genetics is foolish.

My parents are great, I'd never wish to be anything but myself. People have said I have poor genetics and I keep getting bigger and bigger every year drug free. I think bodybuilding is more mental than physical. Some guys can just walk into a gym, look at a weight and grow. That doesn't mean that they'll beat the guy who has to think about things, try 2x as hard, eat more etc... It's all in your mind. You mentally create what you want to be long before you achieve it physically.

[ironwill]

I agree with you 100%, I didn't mean for my post to sound like I believe genetics is the be all and end all.

I love Dante's philosophy and am a devote DC trainee, I have read most of his posts starting back from original cycles for pennies post.

That being said do you know why Dante doesn't compete? Because he doesn't have the genetic shape, the muscle insertions, the capped delts :D

I believe everyone can add tons of muscle to their physique with hard training, hard eating and consistency for years and years however if you don't have the right bone structure, muscle insertions, shape, etc... It doesn't matter if you add 75lbs of muscle to your physique it won't look as good as on the guy that looks like he was born for this.

He said so in that post he made on Intensemuscle titled something like 87 weeks out pics... then he says 87 weeks out from the Krispy Kreme classic or something like that and he posted several pics.

I also agree with Nate and Steve. Genetics can only take you so far and should never be a cop out. The be a champion you need the genetics, the drugs and the hardwork/dedication/consistency for over a decade.

The reality is that someone with shitty genetics and great work ethic can outwork his competition and do well at the local level but he probably won't make waves in a national show no matter how hard he works and how many years he tries.

Good post!!!

[O-Train]

^^^Yeah, I agree too. ^^^ Maybe "Genetics" is just too broad of a topic to discuss as a whole. It can refer to such a wide range of things.

[Victor85]

Bah! I guess I am just jealous cause Lockett looks pretty jack.

[St]

Shit this thread is still going.So he is natural life goes on haha.

[Ritch]

If he`s natural I have no idea why he dosen`t compete in show like fame or the wbff where he can make some $$$...

[cog]

good post... I read a study they did with some prisoners. and it was pretty much explaining how these guys can get so big and strong eating 3 shitty meals a day and still be able to squat over 600 pounds.

If you train and then sleep and not much else you will have plenty of recuperation power.