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I'm sure once you tell someone you are interested in nutrition, weight lifting or eating healthy etc they share with you some tidbit of information they heard on the radio or something they read in Men's Health or what the guy at GNC told them. I'm sure we've all been guilty of it as well but **** that let's make fun of the other retards.
Here is a thread where we share general retarded comments that we have to endure every day and have one of two options: 1)smile 2) condescendingly point out how you've heard monkeys make more logical noises than the shit they just said.
A gem from another board today:
hfcs is "bad" because it does not induce an insulin response in your body. therefore it is not metabolized as other insulin triggering carbs. because it is not being metabolized your body stores it as excess calories. and where does your body store excess calories? FAT.
Ritch
16-12-2008, 10:13 PM
If he`s refering to high fructose corn syrup, he`s right in saying they`re bad but his explanation sucks. A retard he is.
If he`s refering to high fructose corn syrup, he`s right in saying they`re bad but his explanation sucks. A retard he is.
yeah he's referring to high fructose corn syrup. As for it being bad...meh. Lacking micronutrients? sure. But the way it's demonized is crazy. If you're eating something using it as sweetener it's no different than sucrose really.
Ritch
16-12-2008, 10:57 PM
yeah he's referring to high fructose corn syrup. As for it being bad...meh. Lacking micronutrients? sure. But the way it's demonized is crazy. If you're eating something using it as sweetener it's no different than sucrose really.
Sure it`s demonized, I`d say because when you use corn syrup you tend to pour lots of it if you`re eating pancakes or waffles. Those calories add up fast. I thought sucrose would be better, I just avoid stuff that`s glucose-fructose in general. Was eating those Natural Valley bars at one point after my shakes and gave me an expanded waistline. As far as good sweetners go I think Palumbo advocates sacharine (spelling?) as the friendlier one? Not sure here.
Sure it`s demonized, I`d say because when you use corn syrup you tend to pour lots of it if you`re eating pancakes or waffles. Those calories add up fast. I thought sucrose would be better, I just avoid stuff that`s glucose-fructose in general. Was eating those Natural Valley bars at one point after my shakes and gave me an expanded waistline. As far as good sweetners go I think Palumbo advocates sacharine (spelling?) as the friendlier one? Not sure here.
Yeah I think most people see "high fructose" and demonize it based on the issues with fructose metabolism. The problem is the negatives are only seen when fructose is taken alone. Most HFCS actually contains 55% fructose and 45% glucose and when taken together the negative effects of fructose only are nullified. Carb sources that contain micro nutrition are always going to be superior. However you know my definition of a good diet is surely outside of the lines compared to most on the "clean" scale. Calorie free sweeteners are always better compared to carbohydrate sweeteners in terms of keeping calories down. They work great in beverages but not so much in food.
Descimus
17-12-2008, 12:02 PM
i bough 2 bottles of myostatin blocker by biotest. need i say more..
Bowlcut
17-12-2008, 12:16 PM
I know a "Strength Coach" who only recommends athletes like football players, hockey, track, lift two times a week.
Man I sure think those Bulgarian weight lifters follow that advice :rolleyes:
Ritch
17-12-2008, 03:38 PM
i bough 2 bottles of myostatin blocker by biotest. need i say more..
Ha, I remember that stuff! Anything drug or supplement wise that is to block myostat production just seems weird and dangerous to me.
VERY early on in my training days I was a pretty skinny kid and looking to put on weight. I headed in to GNC and asked the guy how to put on weight and I ended up leaving with a mega men multi vitamin. At the time his rationale seemed to make sense of why I needed it. Looking back that guy was a complete a$$hole for ripping me off when I could have spent that money on a gainer and or creatine which would have given me some kind of result. I now work in a sports nutrition store and I give guys the best no BS advice of any retailer I've ever met. Thank you brown dude who knows nothing about lifting or nutrition for allowing me to see how dumb I was for believing you and not doing my own research.
spankmonkey
17-12-2008, 04:14 PM
Sure you look good today, but when you stop working out all that muscle will "turn" too fat.
Ha ha I love these stories. I remember when I first started lifting the cool stack i high school was methoxy isoflavone, m1t and CEE. **** we were retarded I don't know how any of us didn't get seriously hurt. It would of been ohk if I had kept anything or gained anything but alas that wasn't the case.
Descimus
17-12-2008, 04:45 PM
bough some androstenodione and made me lactate sure thing is i didnt gain anything on that
bough some androstenodione and made me lactate sure thing is i didnt gain anything on that
hahaha i remember taking m1ts before i had a gym membership or freeweights just a universal in my basement, before i knew the difference between macronutrients. thinking back i wonder if it ****ed my endocrine system up and that's why my test levels are so low. ah well ain't shit you can do about it now.
JonnyO
17-12-2008, 07:18 PM
5151, would you use HFCS for anything other than a tasty convenient condiment? Just curious how that actually came up.
5151, would you use HFCS for anything other than a tasty convenient condiment? Just curious how that actually came up.
An article was recently published by one of the authors who originally wrote one of the articles condemning HFCS stating the realities of the situations. The lay press got a hold of it did their thing and sensationalized it somebody asked is this true? Someone who refuses to accept anything but their old beliefs came to rescue with some retarded quote.
I wouldn't go out of my way to add HFCS but I surely wouldn't avoid it like the plague. Anytime sucrose is acceptable HFCS is acceptable. If I was picking up a supplement at it had 1g per scoop for taste I wouldn't freak out and not use the supplement if I agreed with everything else in it. When I'm eating foods that fall outside the realm of what is typically considered clean is usually during weight gaining periods to add extra calories. In that situation adding a HFCS sweetened drink or dessert for some extra calories is a ok with me.
O-Train
17-12-2008, 07:57 PM
Fat people will cling onto anything they can that brings the responsibility away from themselves and blames it on something else. Ive drank corn syrup straight from the bottle mixed with creatine of all things and I'm perfectly fine.
What was the pork/ham thread about? I like pork and ham, I eat them both fairly often. The only thing I've found to be true (at least with natural guys). Is the ones that obsess over there diets end up looking like shit and stay small their whole lives.
Fat people will cling onto anything they can that brings the responsibility away from themselves and blames it on something else. Ive drank corn syrup straight from the bottle mixed with creatine of all things and I'm perfectly fine.
What was the pork/ham thread about? I like pork and ham, I eat them both fairly often. The only thing I've found to be true (at least with natural guys). Is the ones that obsess over there diets end up looking like shit and stay small their whole lives.
Yup it's the way that it's metabolized not the 8000kcal you ate of it right?
Nothing much in the other thread. It's bioavailabilityz is bad and someone read in a magazine that bioavailabilityz is important(geesh any surprise that most supplemental forms of protein have high BVs?) to bbers. I agree with your last sentence as I surely was one of those guys. Now I don't have OCD.
Descimus
17-12-2008, 08:19 PM
just like whey being so better then casein and now i have seen a bunch of stuff about whey amino profile being more suited for mass gain on animal with brown fat and that casein amino profile being more suited for human need for growth
O-Train
17-12-2008, 08:37 PM
Yup it's the way that it's metabolized not the 8000kcal you ate of it right?
Nothing much in the other thread. It's bioavailabilityz is bad and someone read in a magazine that bioavailabilityz is important(geesh any surprise that most supplemental forms of protein have high BVs?) to bbers. I agree with your last sentence as I surely was one of those guys. Now I don't have OCD.
Yeah, it's one thing if you're Andreas Munzer, (sp?) walking around ripped all year (but look where that got him). For the average guy I think the goal should be to just eat a lot of food with protein in each meal. Personally I eat a lot of peanut butter. I think one of the articles you posted up confirmed that it's actually a pretty good substitute for meat. I only weigh/measure/count in the last few weeks before a show and even then I'm not that nit-picky.
What do you mean by the way it's metabolized? It's a monosaccharide right? Well, the fructose part at least.
Why does pork/ham have a low bioavailability? Ham is almost completely fat free. It has low protein content relative to some other meats but thats because of the high water content I would guess. It just doesn't make sense to me. Pigs are so similar to other mammals.
What if you blended the meat first? lol
gordi
17-12-2008, 08:51 PM
Best one I've ever heard was this, from a guy looking at the tubs of protein powder on my kitchen counter: "Isn't that stuff supposed to make your dick smaller?"
Yeah, it's one thing if you're Andreas Munzer, (sp?) walking around ripped all year (but look where that got him). For the average guy I think the goal should be to just eat a lot of food with protein in each meal. Personally I eat a lot of peanut butter. I think one of the articles you posted up confirmed that it's actually a pretty good substitute for meat. I only weigh/measure/count in the last few weeks before a show and even then I'm not that nit-picky.
What do you mean by the way it's metabolized? It's a monosaccharide right? Well, the fructose part at least.
Why does pork/ham have a low bioavailability? Ham is almost completely fat free. It has low protein content relative to some other meats but thats because of the high water content I would guess. It just doesn't make sense to me. Pigs are so similar to other mammals.
What if you blended the meat first? lol
It's interesting you bring up peanutbutter as I just read something from Lyle McDonald saying that it's starting to look like soy isn't as bad of a protein source as everyone thought. I'll still avoid it like the plague however because of hormonal/political biases and **** vegetarians.
I honestly have no idea what the bioavailability of ham and I question why anyone cares about bioavailability. I suggest most confuse it with digestion amount and they are greatly different. If you are eating 40gs of protein a day fine worry about quality.
The problem with HFCS is that eating fructose alone in a high amounts can lead to a condition called fructose malabsorption. From wiki:
Fructose Malabsorption is not to be confused with Hereditary Fructose Intolerance (HFI), a condition in which the liver enzymes that break up fructose are deficient. In patients with fructose malabsorption, the small intestine fails to absorb fructose properly. In the large intestine the unabsorbed fructose osmotically reduces the absorption of water and is metabolized by normal colonic bacteria to short chain fatty acids and the gases hydrogen, carbon dioxide and methane. The abnormal increase in hydrogen is detected with the hydrogen breath test.
The physiological consequences of fructose malabsorption include increasing osmotic load, providing substrate for rapid bacterial fermentation, changing gastrointestinal motility, promoting mucosal biofilm and altering the profile of bacteria. These effects are additive with other short-chain poorly absorbed carbohydrates such as sorbitol. The clinical significance of these events depends upon the response of the bowel to such changes; they have a higher chance of inducing symptoms in patients with functional gut disorders than asymptomatic subjects. Some effects of fructose malabsorption are decreased tryptophan, folic acid[5] and zinc in the blood.[6] Restricting dietary intake of free fructose and/or fructans may have durable symptomatic benefits in a high proportion of patients with functional gut disorders, but high quality evidence is lacking.[7]
What everyone choose to ignore is that HFCS is actually either 55-45 fructose to glucose or 45-55 fructose to glucose. This matter because fructose when taken together with glucose solves glucose malabsorption:
Am J Clin Nutr. 1993 Nov;58(5 Suppl):748S-753S.
Fructose absorption.
Riby JE, Fujisawa T, Kretchmer N.
Department of Nutritional Sciences, University of California at Berkeley 94720.
Fructose found in modern diets as a constituent of the disaccharide sucrose is absorbed by a well-characterized absorptive system integrating enzymatic hydrolysis of the disaccharide and transfer of the resulting two monosaccharides through the apical membrane of the epithelial cell. The increasing use of high-fructose syrups and crystalline fructose prompted new studies aimed at the determination of the absorptive capacity for free fructose in the human gut. Results indicate that the capacity for fructose absorption is small compared with that for sucrose and glucose and is much less than previously estimated. The unexpected finding that the simultaneous ingestion of glucose can prevent fructose malabsorption suggests that the pair of monosaccharides might be absorbed by the disaccharidase-related transport system as if they were the product of the enzymatic hydrolysis of sucrose. This absorptive mechanism might not be able to transport fructose when ingested without glucose.
Best one I've ever heard was this, from a guy looking at the tubs of protein powder on my kitchen counter: "Isn't that stuff supposed to make your dick smaller?"
That would explain my problem. The doctor said the circumcision went wrong but perhaps I have a case against ON.
gordi
17-12-2008, 10:35 PM
Maybe we can start up a class action suit.
GWAAARRRGHHH!!! I'm suffering from PROTEIN RAGE and tiny PROTEIN DICK! I'm going to go crash my car and then sue Popeyes for millions.
jsv22
30-12-2008, 12:35 PM
the whole HFCS debate i think was started by Frank Booth (fructose hypothesis), but when it comes down to it, it is about physical activity.
I think that many athletes still use HFCS (as coke or pepsi) as a sports beverage during exercise. they just defiz it and dilute it a bit. Louise Burke was one of the first to test this in Australian atheletes.
lolwut
30-12-2008, 11:18 PM
oh I have so many....
"you dont go to the gym everyday, youre getting fat" re: 'no i'm bulking'
"all that protein is gonna wreck your liver"
"man you should just go natural, **** all this protein stuff"
"why dont you just eat" re: 'I eat 4000 calories a day'
"stretching makes your muscles grow"
"whats pct??"
"should I cycle off my creatine"
"lifting weights doesnt make you stronger"
Ritch
31-12-2008, 09:52 AM
^^^ If you were to tell Dante from intensemuscle.com that stretching dosen`t make your muscles grow, he`d go ape shit on you. I tend to agree with him. Just think of a dumbell flye. It`s a movement with weight added that stretches your pecs leading to growth. Pullovers stretch the lats, donkey calves raises stretch the calves...
I did lol at the "**** all this protein stuff, just go natural..."
Here`s one I heard. "I don`t need to train my legs, I do some cardio after training..."
Here`s one I heard. "I don`t need to train my legs, I do some cardio after training..."
Hahah. That used to be me 6 months ago. I don't think i could ever go back to not training legs.
O-Train
31-12-2008, 01:37 PM
^^^ If you were to tell Dante from intensemuscle.com that stretching dosen`t make your muscles grow, he`d go ape shit on you. I tend to agree with him. Just think of a dumbell flye. It`s a movement with weight added that stretches your pecs leading to growth. Pullovers stretch the lats, donkey calves raises stretch the calves...
I did lol at the "**** all this protein stuff, just go natural..."
Here`s one I heard. "I don`t need to train my legs, I do some cardio after training..."
The jury is still out on stretching. His thinking is based around fascial stretching. ie. stretching the fascia/connective tissue around the muscles allows them to grow more easily. Kind of like a gold fish that can only grow as big as his bowl.
The growth could just as easily be attributed to an isometric contraction (static) being performed for a prelonged period in a deep range of motion. In my mind that would create a lot of damage similar to negative training and could be why people see more growth from the extreme stretching. So it might be working for different reasons. Who knows.
O-Train
31-12-2008, 01:40 PM
Oh, and I forgot to add. There is actually some science behind cycling creatine. I'll leave it at that.
I see you're from Guelph lolwut. Where do you train?
The jury is still out on stretching. His thinking is based around fascial stretching. ie. stretching the fascia/connective tissue around the muscles allows them to grow more easily. Kind of like a gold fish that can only grow as big as his bowl.
The growth could just as easily be attributed to an isometric contraction (static) being performed for a prelonged period in a deep range of motion. In my mind that would create a lot of damage similar to negative training and could be why people see more growth from the extreme stretching. So it might be working for different reasons. Who knows.
I know Lyle and others believe the benefit from stretching comes down to it basically being an extended eccentric where most of the benefit of a lift comes from anyway. It seems like so many gurus present decent ideas but have to offer over complicated pseudo-scientific horseshit explanations for why their stuff works to garner attention.
warlock
31-12-2008, 05:26 PM
Best one I've ever heard was this, from a guy looking at the tubs of protein powder on my kitchen counter: "Isn't that stuff supposed to make your dick smaller?"
Why did he care about your dick?
Ritch
31-12-2008, 06:10 PM
. It seems like so many gurus present decent ideas but have to offer over complicated pseudo-scientific horseshit explanations for why their stuff works to garner attention.
True enough.
lolwut
03-01-2009, 10:03 PM
Oh, and I forgot to add. There is actually some science behind cycling creatine. I'll leave it at that.
I see you're from Guelph lolwut. Where do you train?
I am no expert... I'm sure you can tell.
I lift at the athletic club. They have some BS rules, but theres no one there when I go so I can deadlift barefoot :D
O-Train
03-01-2009, 10:57 PM
I am no expert... I'm sure you can tell.
I lift at the athletic club. They have some BS rules, but theres no one there when I go so I can deadlift barefoot :D
I know all about the rules and I agree. I worked for that company (not that particular gym). It's too expensive for me, although all the hammer strength equipment is nice and they have good dumbells. I train at the University gym. It's only a good deal for students/staff though because you end up having to pay for the pool and all the different facilities.
buildinthaskinnys
07-01-2009, 01:47 PM
I like the one women always say about training , some men say it to also to be fair "I want to tone up a little I don't want to get big thats gross"
Drummer
09-01-2009, 11:11 PM
high fructose corn syrup is just a cheap alternative to cain sugar for big companies to use in things like pop. Its just a high glycemic index simple carb and should be treated as such. As for the body not recognizing it.... thats up for debate.
~DB~
Drummer
09-01-2009, 11:13 PM
oh yea... "whats the best cutting stack"... guess they forgot diet is more important for getting lean.
~DB~
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