T3 and Clen

[Benny62]

Hi there looking for feedback on T3/ clen stack for me in the new year. I'm going to run Ti-Tre italian T3's (20mcg) per tab and Balkan Clen (40mcg per tab)

I was going to run the T3's 6 weeks and pyramid up to 80 or 100 then back down in 20mcg steps every 4 days or so.

The Clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off for the 6 weeks going 2 days on 1day off from 20mcg to 120mcg jumping by 20's after every day off.

Any feedback will be welcomed, 30 somthin 6'0" 225 about 13-16% BF

Thanks.

[The Terminator]

Here's one - do not run without an anabolic. ;)

T3 is muscle wasting, and does not prioritize between carbs, fats, or protein when metabolizing for energy. This will put you in a catabolic state, and trust me as one who ran T3 with and without anabolics, you want some AAS in there. While clen does help with lean mass gains, it is not strong enough to keep muscle on you with T3.

Also, ramp the T3 dosage up, and then keep it there until you come off. Ramping up and down throughout the cycle does nothing but slow down progress. It's supposed to keep it so the thyroid doesn't stay suppressed, but guess what? If there's exogenous T3 in your system, your thyroid shuts down, so cutting the dose down to 20mcg, is still too high to get the thyroid to pulse TSH to fire the old T4 released. Just keep the dose at 80 to 120mcg/day after the first week or two until the last week, and then come off after ramping down. Once you ramp down, eat foods high in iodine as this will help with stimulating the thyroid, as well as eating large amounts of carbs for the first few days off.

As well, I'm beginning to wonder about the 2 on 2 off method for clen. Reading MD (I've gotten a bit behind on my reading) and came across a study from earlier this year where patients who had chronic heart failure were treated with clen at doses of up to 80mcg/day for 12 weeks.

All of the patients were bed ridden, and the results of the study showed increases in quad size, fat loss, and mass gain. My next cycle of clen in about 6 weeks will be a long one, I'm going to investigate this for myself. I've ran clen many times over and always done the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. This next time will be 8 to 12 weeks straight in conjunction with my cycle.

Matt
Matt

[Benny62]

thanks for the input I was wondering if I should run some primo while I'm doing this, sounds like It might be a good Idea. so let's get this straight, don't ramp down at all or ramp down after the 6 weeks?

[The Terminator]

Ramp down after the 6 weeks, or whenever you're wanting to end. Ramping down isn't even necessary, to be honest. ;)

Running any anabolic to up your bodies protein synthesis would be a great idea, although I'm more of a fan of Test based cycles. However, if you've got primo, nothings wrong with using that to maintain mass while you cut.

Matt

[JonnyO]

I would ramp down and I always adivise others to do so as well. 100mcg is a lot and a T3 crash isnt fun, coming off 12.5-25mcg would be a lot better than coming off 100mcg cold turkey.

[kyle]

if your 13-16%bf you might want to hold off on the t3 for a little while and see how clen is alone. T3 can really burn up your muscle if your not careful. If you use it take some test along with it even a low dose will help.

[kyle]

what are the goals for this cycle?

[Crankin'steiN]

I hate T3 and wouldn't recommend it to anyone but a competing bodybuilder who needed it to get the fat off in time because they fell behind.... It is just too damn catabolic and I have seen and heard of too many guys losing muscle on it and experienced it myself. If you are going to use it anyway then you have already gotten soem solid advice... Ramp up and I also agree to use the ramp down as the crash is no fun and I say stay below 100 and make sure you use an anabolic...I would just run a small amount of test with it to fight the catabolism if you aren't actually doing a cycle... I would save primo or anything else that expensive for when I was doing a proper cycle and would be able to make the most of it.

[JonnyO]

I honestly think the muscle loss with T3 use is blown out of proportion. If on AAS and a proper diet muscle loss should be a minimum.

[Benny62]

I want to drop my weight to 210 if possible and try and really lean up. I have some spots that are more troubled than others now that I'm over 30, like the lower back.

My body reacts qutie anabolicly with clen I find so I'm not to worried about losing muscle, in fact I find it's always easir for me to put muscle on than get through this plateau of body fat at the moment.

Does anyone have Ideas on the dose for clen, I'm used to the pump but haven't used that for quite a while, will the doses I posted be effective IYO?

[hyperlite32]

Above is really good advice. I would do a search and read peoples cycles on clen/T3. There are alot of ways to use Clen, but fairly close to how to use T3. start slow, 10-20mcg , adjust dose in SMALL increments. Find what works/feels best with the least amount of sides (cramping/shakes) I personally have found, the 2 weeks on/2weeks off to be a bit of a waste for clen. I have read, that T3 clears the beta-2 agonist receptors. Like ketofen or benadryl will do. So, there may be no need for you to cycle 2 on 2 off. I run my clen/t3 for 4-6 weeks. I have found it takes a certain amount of time for my body to get used to the new hormonesand adjust. This is just what I like to do. I suggest reading as much as you can, and experiment with peoples opinions and find what works for YOU. everyone is differant and reacts differant. hope this help...