another question ???

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

so ive decided to go with the 750mg of sust250 a week and 40mg of d-bol ed
sust250 weeks 1 - 12 750/week
d-bol 40mg weeks 1 - 4 20mg in the morning and 20mg 2 hours before gym time same with the inject 2 hours before gym time

injection days will be tue thurs sat


and then you reg 3 week pct with clomid and nolvadex i also have arimadex
.5 mg on hand if gyno or sides kick in guys let me kno what you think of this run is my first and my basic stats r
weight 208- 210 lbs
height 5foot 10
blue eyes blond hair lol jk
been training for less then 2 months i kno shoulda trained alil longer but...... i have done my own reserch but nothing beat addvice from the exspirence so tell me what ya thinks a also i jus pinned the first yesterday and **** i hope i dont get flamed but ive always been impatient
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[mandarb11]

Hmmm well you alrady know you should have waited for some natural growth before starting steroids the ral issue is you will not know how to train when not on steroids which will lead to a viscious cycle of always having to be on something. eventually you can't always be on and so you will stop training altogether, seen it happen so may times I cant count!

That said it is a good starter cycle, you should make some great gains. I would probably drop the test to 500 mg a week just because this is your first cycle so your body is going to respond quite dramatically the first time around. You can even drop the d-bol to 30mg, my first cycle I put on nearly 40lbs within a month with 30mg dbol, 500 mg of sust. Know alot of that was water and fat but nontheless it will be dramatic no matter what, first cycles are always the best ones.

[Mr.Freeze]

been training for less then 2 months!!:confused: OH BOYS!

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

lol its funny cuz ive always wanted to bodybuild but situations prevented it ive been following the sport for years and i kno its hard to belive and im sure many out there wont but my detication is solid it was jus hard to say no i geuss being around all these guys my friends and shit all bigger and so on and so on.....


thanks for the response and advice to :)

[BrownDevil]

Jesus. It took me five years to finally get on the sauce. And I still have a lot more research to do.

Good luck.

[DaFreak]

You make your own decisions - personaly I think it's bad bad bad. I've seen this done countless times, by driven and disciplined guys - they started out too soon, burned out, never were able to train naturally. Almost all of them don't look like they ever pick up a dumbell in their lifetime. Fack, I'm sure you don't even have a clue what you're doing in the gym!! 2 months... 2 years is too soon!! You don't know your system, you don't know how to train or eat!! Do you know if 3,4 or 5 day split is best for you? If carbs bloat you or you can live on fats? That's like the guy who just jerked off for the first time and thinks he's ready to go pornstar! Catch my drift?
I could go on and on, but you know what? You're still gonna do it, so what gives...?
Good luck man, but you're really going the wrong direction. You wanted advice, you got it. Good luck nonetheless, I hope you'll be fine.

[mandarb11]

Bodybuilding is a lifestyle not a fad. those that succeed in it, and by that I mean those that stay in you years if not their lives, have had to learn how their body responds to training, eating and finally steroids. when you jump right to the steroids you know nothing about your body and hence when you go off chances are you will not be able to retain any of your gains. Everyone wants to be big/look good but you will notice that the ones that do look good are the same ones that know a hell of alot about this sport! Good luck with that bro, I hope you find what your looking for!

[O-Train]

You make your own decisions - personaly I think it's bad bad bad. I've seen this done countless times, by driven and disciplined guys - they started out too soon, burned out, never were able to train naturally. Almost all of them don't look like they ever pick up a dumbell in their lifetime. Fack, I'm sure you don't even have a clue what you're doing in the gym!! 2 months... 2 years is too soon!! You don't know your system, you don't know how to train or eat!! Do you know if 3,4 or 5 day split is best for you? If carbs bloat you or you can live on fats? That's like the guy who just jerked off for the first time and thinks he's ready to go pornstar! Catch my drift?
I could go on and on, but you know what? You're still gonna do it, so what gives...?
Good luck man, but you're really going the wrong direction. You wanted advice, you got it. Good luck nonetheless, I hope you'll be fine.

Yup, what he said. I just turned 22 and Ive been training consistantly for 7 years (no AAS). Its a lifestyle bud...hell pre-contest its my whole life almost. I hope it works out and it might but a lot of guys that read this will be shaking their heads.

[Bowlcut]

Jesus. It took me five years to finally get on the sauce. And I still have a lot more research to do.

Good luck.

Bump to that. I waited three years and was at my natural max.

If one does not have the diet, training, and discipline in order gear is going to be a waste.

Frankie, is there any reason for only running PCT for 3 weeks?

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

ive accually followed this sport for years i kno expirience is what i need and i thank you all for your advice and input i know it would sound funny but i know alot about alot lol sound funny to me ill probly getd flamed but i dont give a **** as far as how i came about knowing what i kno i worked in camp jobs for years no gym jus reading but also kno experince is key i know this aint the best choice but its one that been made


now for the pct ???

WEEK 15 100mg clomid 40mg nolvadex ed
weeks 16&17 50mg clomid and 20 mg nol ed
this is started three weeks after my last pin??
from what ive reserched and from what ppl with expirence have told me this is a standard pct and good to go

please let me know what you think of this ??

and thanks again guys for your time and advice, input!!!!

[norman]

Bump to that. I waited three years and was at my natural max.

If one does not have the diet, training, and discipline in order gear is going to be a waste.

Frankie, is there any reason for only running PCT for 3 weeks?


Not to flame here but if u think u can get to ur natural max in three years ur dreaming.

[Mr.Freeze]

maybe not your max after 3 years! but better then two month!

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

im sticking with 500mg of sust250 and zero d-bol so a straight test run now

[Bowlcut]

Not to flame here but if u think u can get to ur natural max in three years ur dreaming.

Some of us dedicate their lives to diet and training. I see people in the gym with no concept of training or diet and their gains or little or stagnate, but when one knows what they are doing then they can achieve their goals.
I haven't gotten drunk in over a year, and can count the times I have gotten drunk on one hand since I started training.

Now frankie, my advice is to run the clomid and nolva for a duration of 4 weeks. If you have the cash aromasin makes a nice addition.
I believe Gustavo on this board however suggests a PCT of Aromasin and CLOMID (edit) only, with
25mg/day of aromasin for 6 weeks, and 100mg/day of clomid for 3 weeks. I could be mistaken about the exact nature of the PCT he recommends.

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

thanks for your input


id also like to add i have friends who have trained less then me or about the same amount of time and started there first run and five years later this guys still goin strong and only runs once a year another his first after one year (yes better then 2 months but still dedicated and focused on what there goals are and like my statement i made earlier my dedication is solid and true
now this is not to say i dont respect and appreciate all the advice passed to me on this forum who knows i may be makin a mistake but i may not the one friend who waited a year says dont do it yet and the other says man do what your gonna do jus make sure you do keep your passion and desire to achieve something in the gym i have this i also kno some will coutinue to flame me but some will tell me there opions and epriences that i can take and use as my own lol **** i hope this is coming out right

[mandarb11]

Just stay safe bro!

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

Just stay safe bro!

thanks i will and if i have any concerns or unknowns i wont hesitate to bug yall

[O-Train]

Not to flame here but if u think u can get to ur natural max in three years ur dreaming.

I couldn't agree more. Its not like the body just says: Well shit thats all I got...I give up... What happened was your body hit a plateau and didn't have to adapt because you weren't doing things that made it have to change. Not to say you don't train extremely hard and know what your doing, it happens to everyone. Also if your wondering (not that it matters) I have a bit of formal education to go along with experience. If anyone wants to debate this feel free to fire off a PM so this thread doesn't get sidetracked.

Good luck with your cycle Frankie. I think the test alone is a better idea. Doing one compound at a time to start is good in that you know what effect it has on your body. Also any side effects can be attributed to that single drug so there is no ambiguity.

Biggest piece of advice I can give you. If your diet is excellent and your training is average your gains will be good. If your training is excellent and your diet is not good then your gains will reflect your diet. All I really mean is diet is very important.

Cheers

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

I couldn't agree more. Its not like the body just says: Well shit thats all I got...I give up... What happened was your body hit a plateau and didn't have to adapt because you weren't doing things that made it have to change. Not to say you don't train extremely hard and know what your doing, it happens to everyone. Also if your wondering (not that it matters) I have a bit of formal education to go along with experience. If anyone wants to debate this feel free to fire off a PM so this thread doesn't get sidetracked.

Good luck with your cycle Frankie. I think the test alone is a better idea. Doing one compound at a time to start is good in that you know what effect it has on your body. Also any side effects can be attributed to that single drug so there is no ambiguity.

Biggest piece of advice I can give you. If your diet is excellent and your training is average your gains will be good. If your training is excellent and your diet is not good then your gains will reflect your diet. All I really mean is diet is very important.

Cheers

thanks man ya im only going with 500mg a week allthough this shit was tested at 286mg/ml so imma do 1cc twicw a week every three days!!thanks for your concerns ill keep yas posted as to whats happening

[gustavo77]

thanks man ya im only going with 500mg a week allthough this shit was tested at 286mg/ml so imma do 1cc twicw a week every three days!!thanks for your concerns ill keep yas posted as to whats happening

Not the best way to run sust imho. Hitting sust twice per week will cause all kinds of peaks and valleys with your blood levels increasing your risks of sides. As for pct Bowlcut is correct (thanks for the shout out Bowl!), i believe that aromasin and clomid is the most effective pct combination at this time. Nolva does nothing for my recovery personally and i have yet to see a study that shows that increases LH or test. I have however seen a clincal study where it has exhibited no effect on LH or Test and even lowered IGF-1 and GH concentrations in males. A lot of folks hate clomid due to the sides and I experience them as well at high doses, but that's why i recommend and believe that you can get a good response with less sides on a moderate dose of clomid (50-100mg.day). As for the aromasin it has been shown in clinical studies along with other A.I.'s (letro, adex) to increase natural test production. The true benefit of aromasin is not just it's ability to increase natural test but it is also very easy on the lipid profile (letro and arimidex have a negative impact on lipids) so it is heart friendly.

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

Not the best way to run sust imho. Hitting sust twice per week will cause all kinds of peaks and valleys with your blood levels increasing your risks of sides. As for pct Bowlcut is correct (thanks for the shout out Bowl!), i believe that aromasin and clomid is the most effective pct combination at this time. Nolva does nothing for my recovery personally and i have yet to see a study that shows that increases LH or test. I have however seen a clincal study where it has exhibited no effect on LH or Test and even lowered IGF-1 and GH concentrations in males. A lot of folks hate clomid due to the sides and I experience them as well at high doses, but that's why i recommend and believe that you can get a good response with less sides on a moderate dose of clomid (50-100mg.day). As for the aromasin it has been shown in clinical studies along with other A.I.'s (letro, adex) to increase natural test production. The true benefit of aromasin is not just it's ability to increase natural test but it is also very easy on the lipid profile (letro and arimidex have a negative impact on lipids) so it is heart friendly.why do u not think this is the best way to run sust???from what ive read and asked this should be fine??? pls explain?!

[gustavo77]

why do u not think this is the best way to run sust???from what ive read and asked this should be fine??? pls explain?!

As i stated running sust twice per week will cause test levels in your blood stream to fluctuate and be unstable, which could possibly cause you to experience more side effects. Sust contains test prop (short half-life) which needs to be injected at least eod to remain stable in your blood stream. In any case you will find differing opinions on this but i have found through my own experience with sust that taking it eod yields the best results with the least amount of sides.

[Bowlcut]

Hey Gustavo, did I get your PCT recommendation from SSB correct?

[gustavo77]

Hey Gustavo, did I get your PCT recommendation from SSB correct?

Ya bro, you got it exactly right and I have to say that, that was the best pct that i have ever done.

[Bowlcut]

Ya bro, you got it exactly right and I have to say that, that was the best pct that i have ever done.

I am going to run a very similar. Thanks for the advice!