HGH protocol discussion

[waderow]

okay guys.
I have seen a hundred and one protocols so far. I have seen BB's wake in the middle of the night to pin. Countless different methods and times, and doses.
I have heard IM is better then Sub q
I have heard to start with smaller doses to get used to numbness sides.
I have heard that 2iu ED does nothing

I just wanted to start a discussion to nail down my protocol, as tomorrow will be my first pin ever of HGH. I intend to be on forever, and would like to see mass gained, youthful properties, and fat loss.

I was thinking of running
week 1-3
3.3 iu per day either PWO or before bed. Every day

week 4-12
5iu per day either PWO or before bed. Every day

after that probably increase by 2 iu every 3 months until I hit 10iu per day ED.

I will also likely add in IGF Long R3 pwo 5 weeks on 5 weeks off at 100mcg pwo only.




what do you guys think?

[physique]

i have always read first thing in the morning is best. it even says this on the offical jintropin website.

i used 2ius a day before and it worked fine for fatloss. and thats all i wanted.
I asked this question to dave palumbo in a personal email last month, and he said to use 2ius for the rest of my life. 2ius will keep u lean, give better sleep. which is what i want. i could care less about being big anymore

[waderow]

i have always read first thing in the morning is best. it even says this on the offical jintropin website.

i used 2ius a day before and it worked fine for fatloss. and thats all i wanted.
I asked this question to dave palumbo in a personal email last month, and he said to use 2ius for the rest of my life. 2ius will keep u lean, give better sleep. which is what i want. i could care less about being big anymore

2iu in the AM at waking? after bfast? does it matter? any lethargy during day?

[physique]

2iu in the AM at waking? after bfast? does it matter? any lethargy during day?

yes there was, but i was also dieting my ass off. so i cant soley blame the gh, when my carbs were close to non-existant.

i will be starting 2ius again here this week. so i can let ya know

[gustavo77]

K, unless you are 35 or over do not do your GH before bed. Run it either in the AM or PWO. Even on GH, your body will still pulse GH nocturnally as long as you have not injected GH within approx 6 hrs before going to bed. Once a man is over 35, his natural GH pulses will not be as strong so using the GH before bed will provide the most benefit.

Start with 2iu/day in the morning for 2 weeks to see how your body responds then bump it up to 3iu for a week or two then 4iu if you want to go that high.

The PWO method works better with higher doses. For mass you can take your weekly total of GH, say 3iux7days= 21iu. Divide the dosage by 3 and take 10iu PWo, three times per week. That's basically Gavin Kane's protocol for GH use for mass.

I suggest you just run it in the AM and give your body a chance to get used to it before blasting any high doses PWO. The PWO method works way better when slin is added, so i do not bother running GH PWO unless i am running slin too.

If you are running AAS with your GH, you really do not need to do high doses of GH to see results anyways. 3-5iu, in the AM, 5-7 days per week along with test will do wonders over the course of 4-6 months.

[gustavo77]

Oh and do not eat any carbs for an hour after injecting GH. GH can effect insulin sensitivity and eating carbs during this time can drive blood sugar up to high for some sensitive individuals. Personally when i am on GH (when i can afford it..lol), i have a low-no carb protein shake with my GH and t-3, then an hour later eat breakfast.

This is the reason why i do not recommend GH PWO without slin. Most people, myself included like to get those carbs, creatine and glutamine in immediately PWO. Hitting a big shot of GH and then drinking 50-80 grams of dextrose or waxy maze is not healthy IMO.

[gustavo77]

Oh and AM GH is best injected sub-q, in the abdomen, in different spots every day. There is also some evidence that Gh can effectively spot reduce. Although there is no real scientific evidence, many users have experienced spot reduction to one degree or another while using Gh sub-q.

PWO GH with slin is best injected IM into the muscle trained. Some users suggest that using GH/slin this way can induce hyperplasma (the splitting of existing muscle cells and the creation of new ones). Again, no scientific data to support that but a lot of experienced bros are convinced that it does indeed occur.

[JonnyO]

Gus, what about taking the GH powo after having your shake or meal? Blood sugar is going up at that time so the body can handle the excess that GH creates. I know of guys who have done it this way and blew up and leaned out.

[shivsean]

K, unless you are 35 or over do not do your GH before bed. Run it either in the AM or PWO. Even on GH, your body will still pulse GH nocturnally as long as you have not injected GH within approx 6 hrs before going to bed. Once a man is over 35, his natural GH pulses will not be as strong so using the GH before bed will provide the most benefit.

Start with 2iu/day in the morning for 2 weeks to see how your body responds then bump it up to 3iu for a week or two then 4iu if you want to go that high.

The PWO method works better with higher doses. For mass you can take your weekly total of GH, say 3iux7days= 21iu. Divide the dosage by 3 and take 10iu PWo, three times per week. That's basically Gavin Kane's protocol for GH use for mass.

I suggest you just run it in the AM and give your body a chance to get used to it before blasting any high doses PWO. The PWO method works way better when slin is added, so i do not bother running GH PWO unless i am running slin too.

If you are running AAS with your GH, you really do not need to do high doses of GH to see results anyways. 3-5iu, in the AM, 5-7 days per week along with test will do wonders over the course of 4-6 months.

This is what I have seen used and reported many times, and consistently produces the best results.

[waderow]

thanks guys.

Gus, so my workouts are generally 6pm. This is likely a little too late to effectively run a pwo protocol?

[gustavo77]

Gus, what about taking the GH powo after having your shake or meal? Blood sugar is going up at that time so the body can handle the excess that GH creates. I know of guys who have done it this way and blew up and leaned out.

That could work bro. I would still be concerned with the way the GH effects insulin response. I too know many who take their GH and PWO carbs this way and it seems to work wonderfully.

[gustavo77]

thanks guys.

Gus, so my workouts are generally 6pm. This is likely a little too late to effectively run a pwo protocol?

Not at all. I have ran my GH/slin PWO at 9:30 at nite before. No probs. Just make sure you go to bed at least 6+ hours after your GH, so that your natural GH can pulse at night.

[waderow]

Okay, I will start tomorrow now.
Wake at 6am
I will take my t3, clen and HGH upon waking.
shit shower and shave, head 'er to work, and then eat (before I die) a non fat breakfast.
Then regular diet for 10am meal etc.
I will start with 3iu x 5 times per week.

Pretty stoked! Thanks again for your help.

[Bowlcut]

Gus how much slin is the min for PWO? Can one get away with 3iu of slin with GH PWO 3x a week?

Do you take slin the entire duration of the GH cycle or 3 weeks on 3 weeks off deal?

[Stonewald Rockwater]

am and pwo best imo

[Stonewald Rockwater]

Okay, I will start tomorrow now.
Wake at 6am
I will take my t3, clen and HGH upon waking.
shit shower and shave, head 'er to work, and then eat (before I die) a non fat breakfast.
Then regular diet for 10am meal etc.
I will start with 3iu x 5 times per week.

Pretty stoked! Thanks again for your help.

start with 1.5/iu the first few days, esp if u have good gh

[waderow]

start with 1.5/iu the first few days, esp if u have good gh

already been hitting 3iu. It could be the gear and my metabolism boosted from higher calorie intake, but am noticably warmer.

[gustavo77]

Gus how much slin is the min for PWO? Can one get away with 3iu of slin with GH PWO 3x a week?

Do you take slin the entire duration of the GH cycle or 3 weeks on 3 weeks off deal?

I would say 5iu of slin would be the min in terms of gains bro. But you should start with 2-3iu to see how you react to it. It is very important to ease your way up in dose with slin. I recommend starting with 2iu then increasing it by 1iu each successive workout till you reach your target dose.

Everyone is different. I have found that 8iu of slin is the best dose for me with regards to sides. I find that even if i take in enough carbs, for some reason 10iu still causes me to go hypo from time to time. So i stick with 8iu and it seems to work well.