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Blitz-Test
07-12-2008, 07:06 PM
Okay,
So my best friend just called me, apparently he was in a sports park, parking lot, doing his injection, he had a bag full of steroids/needles, and a cop pulls up beside him, he pulls the needle out of his leg and caps it and throws in on the passenger seat with all the other stuff and throws a towel over it...
The cop comes over asks what hes doing there, whether hes smoking weed, and says No I dont do that stuff, he then asks for licence and regristration.. He gives it to him, then he asks what is under the towel...
My friend answers with Gym stuff... and the cop says let me see.. My friend then says that they are needles, and the cop says what are you shooting herion.. My friend says no no its for steroids..
The cop then says you know that stuffs illegal right, my friend answers with, only if I bought it, The cop asks where he got it from.. He said he found it in a gym locker... The cop said thats bullshit how do you know theres no rat poison in there, he answered with, lifes a gamble... (dumb ass)
The cop said, stay here Ill be right back, and goes to his cruiser.. Comes back, and I guess ran his name, and said well looks like your a good kid, you havent been in trouble before, and Im sure you dont want your parents or loved ones finding out you do this stuff.. My friend said No, the cop gave back the cards, and then lectured him how its bad for sex drive and bad for your heart....
My friend is now so ****ing parnoid now, becuase he job does police checks on employees every year...
Is it possible for the cop to have entered something into his record, even though he didnt get a warrant, arrest him....
Any problems with what happened..
trykillthis
07-12-2008, 07:14 PM
C'mon, injecting in a car in a parking lot? Really? Like steroids don't have a bad rap already your friends gotta go running around like a junkie shooting up in parking lots?
Hopefully it doesn't his job. But thats just plain stupid.
C'mon, injecting in a car in a parking lot? Really? Like steroids don't have a bad rap already your friends gotta go running around like a junkie shooting up in parking lots?
Hopefully it doesn't his job. But thats just plain stupid.
THIS!
pinhead
07-12-2008, 07:21 PM
Shouldn't have done that but he's done nothing illegal.
champcar99
07-12-2008, 07:25 PM
"So my best friend just called me" ....... yea ok......you have nothing too worry about bro.....your job will be fine....lol
Houstonbc
07-12-2008, 07:29 PM
hopefully "your friend" learned a lesson and does his injections at home.
waderow
07-12-2008, 07:39 PM
FOIP allows you to do your own police check on yourself. you have the right to ask for all documents and files pertaining to you.
and dumb to shoot in parking lot, your friend must be 18. Smart the way he dealt with the cop though.
i dont think your job could possibly be affected.
Mr Ontario
07-12-2008, 07:40 PM
That cop cant enter anything in the CPIC system from his car lol only if someone is convicted does it go in.
Ya..the car thing is pretty old school/dumm...Winter time/no lighting dunno...
the cop cant even legally get an answer what from was under the towel if your friend didnt wanna could he?
outshine
07-12-2008, 08:15 PM
I had a friend who got pulled over for some unrelated reason and the cop spotted a bottle of test in the cupholder. He took the vial, gave him the steroids are bad lecture, and left with the bottle lol.
But yeah, your "friend" didn't do anything unlawful. i don't see any reason for him to be worried.
Led Hed
07-12-2008, 08:20 PM
the cop cant even legally get an answer what from was under the towel if your friend didnt wanna could he?
As far as I know, that is correct. He didn't have to answer (but correct me if I'm wrong).
As far as I know, that is correct. He didn't have to answer (but correct me if I'm wrong).
well if the cop has legit grounds for suspicion he can search i think.
so since the guy said he had needles, and the cop thought he seen him doing drugs.
that could almost be grounds for legit suspicion, meaning a vehicle search would be legal
Led Hed
07-12-2008, 08:27 PM
well if the cop has legit grounds for suspicion he can search i think.
so since the guy said he had needles, and the cop thought he seen him doing drugs.
that could almost be grounds for legit suspicion, meaning a vehicle search would be legal
Hmm, I see. Well, I'm no lawyer and have only read some basics so this is good information to know.
Here's a hypothetical situation: I get stopped by RIDE on Saturday night for a standard check or get pulled over for speeding. Can they ask me what I have in my car (or rather, am I obligated to tell them)?
You must be charged and convited in court to have a record.
Get the book legal Muscle.
Led Hed
07-12-2008, 08:48 PM
You must be charged and convited in court to have a record.
Get the book legal Muscle.
Who's that in your avatar?
Hatebreed
07-12-2008, 08:50 PM
You must be charged and convited in court to have a record.
Get the book legal Muscle.
Cops are the most organized criminals out there, he should know the law before diving into the juice.
michealJ
07-12-2008, 09:11 PM
Holly ... wow what else can you say .......stupid
Big D
07-12-2008, 09:59 PM
hahah in the car, i think the car would be the last place i would want to do that,, specialy in the winter.
waderow
07-12-2008, 10:34 PM
when i was in highschool i shot in dumb places.
this one time, by wor out buddy left the bag of needles n shit on his kitchen table...his mom found it.
did first shot in a club fit shitter.
to be young and dumb again :)
nisser
07-12-2008, 10:57 PM
ok so no one asked so I'll do it.
How the **** do you shoot in the car? Unless you're shooting delts which is just absolutely plain ****ing stupid.
Blitz-Test
07-12-2008, 10:59 PM
C'mon, injecting in a car in a parking lot? Really? Like steroids don't have a bad rap already your friends gotta go running around like a junkie shooting up in parking lots?
Hopefully it doesn't his job. But thats just plain stupid.
I personally just shoot in my bathroom, find it much easier this way..
Shouldn't have done that but he's done nothing illegal.
I told him it wasnt illegal to use it
"So my best friend just called me" ....... yea ok......you have nothing too worry about bro.....your job will be fine....lol
Yea, I know the whole my friend thing, however this actually is my friend... I think around internet forums I have alot of rep, so I would just say I if it was me, I shoot in the bathroom.... I am a student, and work part time as a cook, and renovator... Don't think I have much concern about police checks...
hopefully "your friend" learned a lesson and does his injections at home.
Read up 1
FOIP allows you to do your own police check on yourself. you have the right to ask for all documents and files pertaining to you.
and dumb to shoot in parking lot, your friend must be 18. Smart the way he dealt with the cop though.
i dont think your job could possibly be affected.
He is 19,
That cop cant enter anything in the CPIC system from his car lol only if someone is convicted does it go in.
Ya..the car thing is pretty old school/dumm...Winter time/no lighting dunno...
Ive seen slin and igf shot in cars, but I dont personally use those things, i just shoot early morning right before my shower..
mcgee
07-12-2008, 11:09 PM
You could pull down the pants and shoot quads I guess.
ubcpower
08-12-2008, 12:14 AM
Every time a LE Officer enters a name query in CPIC it stays on file. However, in your friends case his name will only be identified in the system as :
Doe, John - 2008-12-07- 22:00 hrs - Name Query
The reason that such petty information such as this is kept on file as needless as it seems is infact for a few reasons. One so there is some sort of record of searches that specific Le officers run. Police officers and others who have access to CPIC have to be accountable and be able to justify why they are using the system and searching specific names. Keeps cops and other LE from using the system willy nilly to check on neighbours and girlfriends..etc
Secondly, it kind of provides a time picture of when a specific individual has come into contact with LE.
*A criminal record check (such as those theyd do for employment) will only identify whether a person has a criminal record and has been formally charged with a crime
Hmm, I see. Well, I'm no lawyer and have only read some basics so this is good information to know.
Here's a hypothetical situation: I get stopped by RIDE on Saturday night for a standard check or get pulled over for speeding. Can they ask me what I have in my car (or rather, am I obligated to tell them)?
im no lawyer either, but im pretty sure if its just a random check stop they have no idea to search the vehicle, other then sticking in that little device that detects alcohol. And even if your getting pulled over for speeding, there is no relative reason they would need to search the vehicle, so i still think you need to give consent. Someone correct me if im wrong.
ok so no one asked so I'll do it.
How the **** do you shoot in the car? Unless you're shooting delts which is just absolutely plain ****ing stupid.
he was just parked
Kilburn
08-12-2008, 01:05 AM
they are allowed to search the car if anything illegal is in plain sight. the towel is kinda sketchy tho, it sounded pretty obvious that he was trying to hide something. if it's that obvious the cop probably has the right to search it.
but a cop cannot just search your car for no reason. and if he asks you loaded incriminating questions you dont need to answer. just say "am i free to go or am i being detained?"
ubcpower
08-12-2008, 01:37 AM
He has to have something in plain sight (probable cause) to search your vehicle, or a warrant.
If you think this is bad.. I know a guy who does injections while driving home from the gym.. He doesnt even pull over does it while actually driving... LOL
probable cause can also be odour (pertaining to weed)...doesnt have to always be visual
Kronis
08-12-2008, 05:19 AM
Okay,
So my best friend just called me, apparently he was in a sports park, parking lot, doing his injection, he had a bag full of steroids/needles, and a cop pulls up beside him, he pulls the needle out of his leg and caps it and throws in on the passenger seat with all the other stuff and throws a towel over it...
The cop comes over asks what hes doing there, whether hes smoking weed, and says No I dont do that stuff, he then asks for licence and regristration.. He gives it to him, then he asks what is under the towel...
My friend answers with Gym stuff... and the cop says let me see.. My friend then says that they are needles, and the cop says what are you shooting herion.. My friend says no no its for steroids..
The cop then says you know that stuffs illegal right, my friend answers with, only if I bought it, The cop asks where he got it from.. He said he found it in a gym locker... The cop said thats bullshit how do you know theres no rat poison in there, he answered with, lifes a gamble... (dumb ass)
The cop said, stay here Ill be right back, and goes to his cruiser.. Comes back, and I guess ran his name, and said well looks like your a good kid, you havent been in trouble before, and Im sure you dont want your parents or loved ones finding out you do this stuff.. My friend said No, the cop gave back the cards, and then lectured him how its bad for sex drive and bad for your heart....
My friend is now so ****ing parnoid now, becuase he job does police checks on employees every year...
Is it possible for the cop to have entered something into his record, even though he didnt get a warrant, arrest him....
Any problems with what happened..
You may say he's a dumb ass, and he is for injecting in a parking lot, but his answer of "found it in a gym locker" is the perfect answer.
He's 100% fine, nothing will be on his record.
Blitz-Test
08-12-2008, 07:53 AM
You may say he's a dumb ass, and he is for injecting in a parking lot, but his answer of "found it in a gym locker" is the perfect answer.
He's 100% fine, nothing will be on his record.
Actually, I have always told him if he is ever caught with anything to say that...
I just said hes a dumb ass for saying lifes a gamble...
Kronis
08-12-2008, 08:04 AM
Actually, I have always told him if he is ever caught with anything to say that...
I just said hes a dumb ass for saying lifes a gamble...
ahhh. haha, yeah that's a dick comment.
If a cop wants a reason to search your car, he can find one... this is probably the grayest area there is...
IronRobi
08-12-2008, 05:25 PM
If you get caught with it in your car, you can be charged with trafficking. Odds are you won't; but if the cop really wants to be a jackass, the personal use theory goes out the window. Don't be dumb and leave your shit at home!
Dont forget... being charged and convicted are two different things... just cuz it might not stick, doesnt mean your name wont get put in the paper...
bigpapapump2016
08-12-2008, 06:18 PM
Okay. Two things here.
1) The cop can look under the towel if he wanted to because all that an officer needs is what they call "reasonable grounds". Meaning if you are parked in a sketchy ally and look and sound like a dope user, they can look in there. A lot of people think they have this magical right to say no you cant,when really they can and will.
2) There will be nothing written on your report that employers can see, unless your employer is the Police or military. Despite what you may think, when your license is run or checked out, they record that. Also, every situation like the one described, the police officer would have to write that down in his note pad, which is then typed into a report and filed away. They would not be checked unless the police or military are looking into your background, in which case if they WANTED to, they could see that your name and license was run into the computer on such and such a date, then they would find the notes pertaining to the incident to see what the situation was about. If you are looking into a career in law enforcement you will need to be up front and honest with the hiring board, too many times have people been put through the system and just about to get sent to the police academy, when a background check reveals something like this, then they fire you on the spot and youll never get hired by another department. be careful!!!
Led Hed
08-12-2008, 08:50 PM
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Police services test for anabolics when they hire?
Led Hed
08-12-2008, 09:26 PM
Nope...
Is that the general consensus?
As far as I know, they dont test for it... they will probably bring up the topic in one of the interviews, though...
natenator
08-12-2008, 09:33 PM
As far as I know, they dont test for it... they will probably bring up the topic in one of the interviews, though...
especially if you look the part :P
Kilburn
08-12-2008, 09:43 PM
they polygraph you and they probably will do a test too.
Led Hed
08-12-2008, 09:47 PM
As far as I know, they dont test for it... they will probably bring up the topic in one of the interviews, though...
especially if you look the part :P
Well, I know they test for rec drugs...just wasn't sure what the deal was with AAS. I know a bunch of cops who are currently on, and have been on, for years so it seems almost taboo.
they polygraph you and they probably will do a test too.
brutal, you need a polygraph test to be in a cop car for the next 5 years, but the military will give you top secret clearance with just a background check
ubcpower
08-12-2008, 10:46 PM
Ya on the Personal Disclosure forms there is a whole area on sport/performance en hancing drugs(Have you used-explain, have you sold-explain) . They will reask you in detail on interviews and polygraph. The piss test is just for rec drugs
Kronis
09-12-2008, 07:16 AM
Ya on the Personal Disclosure forms there is a whole area on sport/performance en hancing drugs(Have you used-explain, have you sold-explain) . They will reask you in detail on interviews and polygraph. The piss test is just for rec drugs
this is correct.
You can download the poly questions off the rcmp website.
Potential firefighters have to take polygraph tests as well.
Only criminal convictions come up on the checks, you can be tried for murder 3 times but as longa s you are never convicted nothing comes up on a criminal record check.
waderow
09-12-2008, 01:49 PM
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Police services test for anabolics when they hire?
interview process is HARDCORE!
hey will know every little dark secret about after wards. An if you try to hide anything, they will find out during polygraph phase, then turf you for lying.
You need to be OUT OF THE GEAR SCENE ALTOGETHER for at least 2 years prior to application.
Otherwise, do not bother.
champcar99
09-12-2008, 02:20 PM
probable cause can also be odour (pertaining to weed)...doesnt have to always be visual
I know this forsure...
gicantor
09-12-2008, 02:51 PM
they polygraph you and they probably will do a test too.
Only RMCP polygraph. OPP and regionals don't take one.
ubcpower
09-12-2008, 06:01 PM
Only RMCP polygraph. OPP and regionals don't take one.
maybe in ontario. But actually the rcmp just recently implemented the mandatory polygraph. All local municipal police services in B.C. have a polygraph
Dias_x
09-12-2008, 09:44 PM
we live in a free society
do what you want to do, where ever you want to.
"legal" ? did they ask us to vote in any law the system passes?
they asked us to say if we are against or no for steroids?,for drugs? for smoking in clubs or bars? they never asked us.
And after the pig is going to ask you what you have under the towel of your car, that you payed,you pay insurance ,repairs,gaz etc
HYPOCTITES!!
Led Hed
09-12-2008, 09:46 PM
this is correct.
You can download the poly questions off the rcmp website.
interview process is HARDCORE!
hey will know every little dark secret about after wards. An if you try to hide anything, they will find out during polygraph phase, then turf you for lying.
You need to be OUT OF THE GEAR SCENE ALTOGETHER for at least 2 years prior to application.
Otherwise, do not bother.
maybe in ontario. But actually the rcmp just recently implemented the mandatory polygraph. All local municipal police services in B.C. have a polygraph
I was aware of the Poly for the RCMP but never heard of a Poly for any regional services (including as the OPP).
Thank you for the clarification!
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