Governor General agrees to suspend Parliament

[Born2Juice4Ever]

By The Canadian Press
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OTTAWA - Stephen Harper has won his battle to hang on as prime minister - at least until January.

Government sources say Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean agreed today to Harper's request to shut down Parliament until he can present a budget late next month.

The decision pulls the teetering minority Conservative government a step back from the edge of a political precipice.

The Tories no longer have to face a non-confidence vote in the House of Commons on Monday that would likely have brought down the government.

But they will face another confidence test when the House returns, setting up the prospect of a fierce battle for public support over the coming weeks.

The opposition coalition had asked Jean to refuse to prorogue, arguing that Harper no longer enjoys the confidence of the House of Commons.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/081204/national/parliament_crisis




WOW!!! I had been following up on this one and here is the BIG bomb now.



B2J

[Redz]

Well I`m glad they did this the coalition cant be allowed to take power. If anything we should have an election (or jsut leave it the way it is which would eb better and not waste time and money)

[Born2Juice4Ever]

An election is what will happen...at least I would hope so...give it 6 months top and we will have one :)



B2J

[waderow]

An election is what will happen...at least I would hope so...give it 6 months top and we will have one :)



B2J

And then we will see a conserbative majority. Thank god! It is about time

[Born2Juice4Ever]

And then we will see a conserbative majority. Thank god! It is about time

Must be a new political party??

[wrought]

Well I`m glad they did this the coalition cant be allowed to take power. If anything we should have an election (or jsut leave it the way it is which would eb better and not waste time and money)

Like it or not a coalition of the majority of elected representatives should be allowed to vote no confidence against a minority government. That's how the system works, our democratically elected representatives get to vote on this and if the majority of them agree to no confidence then Harper should be out. The fact that Harper fought (and succeeded) to prevent this democratic vote just to save his own ass is a bad precedent to be setting in terms of the rights of the voters.

[Born2Juice4Ever]

Like it or not a coalition of the majority of elected representatives should be allowed to vote no confidence against a minority government. That's how the system works, our democratically elected representatives get to vote on this and if the majority of them agree to no confidence then Harper should be out. The fact that Harper fought (and succeeded) to prevent this democratic vote just to save his own ass is a bad precedent to be setting in terms of the rights of the voters.

Can't emphezise on that myself!!


Dion and Layton are going to have a field trip all on Harper's gov poor decision making.

I like Layton a lot, I just hope he represents himself well.



B2J

[Redz]

Like it or not a coalition of the majority of elected representatives should be allowed to vote no confidence against a minority government.No one has a problem with this. Its the other parties taking over power without election that is a no go in my books.

The fact that Harper fought (and succeeded) to prevent this democratic vote just to save his own ass is a bad precedent to be setting in terms of the rights of the voters.They havent even got a finished budget out and they want them out already they have to be given a chance if Canada's voters put them in power its not like they have had a ton of time since being elected here. They received MORE seats than last time. I hope there is an election so people like you will be forced to sit down and watch the majority conservative government do what they please. The liberals dont even want Dion as their leader how could he run a country?

[natenator]

[QUOTE=Born2Juice4Ever;101179]

I like Layton a lot/QUOTE]

Ahh, so you're the one. :D

[waderow]

non confidence should trigger an election.
non confidence doesnt mean the opposition takes power

[Redz]

non confidence should trigger an election.
non confidence doesnt mean the opposition takes power
exactly what I`m saying!

[Gettin'r'round]

C
I like Layton a lot, I just hope he represents himself well.



B2J

cough *** cough... your joking right? You would let this man hold the pursestrings of Canada? Bay street went crazy whent the rumors were the NDP were getting Finance. They want Industry. Well Union industry that is. Those in the private sector can go **** themselves. Long live the revolution! My dad is going to have a coronary, he fought and killed commie bastards in his homeland when he was young. Then when he fled russian tanks he went to a country where the same commie bastards were ruining that country for the "good of the workers". There is no car industry there anymore. And it took years to fix the damage.

[Born2Juice4Ever]

I never posted that i would vote for him...I followed his decay.
I like him, but he never got and never will get my vote.



B2J

[Redz]

http://www.wonderlandgardens.ca/images/layton%20child%20care.jpg
Just thought this went along nicely with some of the last posts.

[wrought]

No one has a problem with this. Its the other parties taking over power without election that is a no go in my books.

I know where you're coming from but the other parties have the majority of elected members because they got the majority of the vote. Its completely reasonable that they should be allowed to govern as a coalition because they (again, like it or not) represent the majority of Canadians.


They havent even got a finished budget out and they want them out already they have to be given a chance if Canada's voters put them in power its not like they have had a ton of time since being elected here. They received MORE seats than last time. I hope there is an election so people like you will be forced to sit down and watch the majority conservative government do what they please. The liberals dont even want Dion as their leader how could he run a country?

Harper had his chance, and as you say its not like much of anything has been done since the election so the whole coalition thing is reasonable. The way its turned out is that Harper played politics when he shouldn't have and is now trying to call mulligan while questioning the patriotism of anybody who disagrees with him at the same time. Its the exact same gameplan that the GOP has been using down in the US for the last couple of years and we all know how that worked out.

I'd be willing to put my nickle down that we'll have another election early next year and between now and then Dion will step down as Liberal leader and somebody more suitable will be on the ticket. :)

hehe, i think this is the first time since Mulroney's ****-uppery that Canadian politics has almost been interesting. :p

[Redz]

they (again, like it or not) represent the majority of Canadians.
They do not especialyl considering some of those mps are from the seperatist party....how can they represent me? THEY CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT! my vote was for the conservatives and they won the election and should be in power.

[natenator]

hehe, i think this is the first time since Mulroney's ****-uppery that Canadian politics has almost been interesting. :p

just like watching monkey's humping a football...

[wrought]

just like watching monkey's humping a football...

yep, its like watching a retard hump a doorknob. :a+

[wrought]

They do not especialyl considering some of those mps are from the seperatist party....how can they represent me? THEY CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT! my vote was for the conservatives and they won the election and should be in power.

Esh, of course they don't represent you, they never represented you, the MP from your riding who you voted for represents you and he/she ain't going anywhere....all those other MP's who represent the MAJORITY of the seats in parliament represent the people who voted for them (again, the MAJORITY of voters).... its called DEMOCRACY, it ain't a great system, but its the best one we got right now. ;)

[Redz]

Its not democracy because voters were tricked, they planed this before the election was done.

[waderow]

if they were upfront about a bloc/ndp/lib coalition, there would be a pc majority righ tnow, and wrought, and every other supporter of this bullshit know it

[macka]

Of all the parties in the parliment the CPC holds the most seats. Amalgamating the Libs and the NDP should not shift the balance of power, as they were separate parties at the time of the election. This just goes to show that the liberals and NDP have no qualms about violating every citizens rights under the election act. I for one find this sneaky move not only unethical, but a wake up call for the people of Canada that we no longer control the gov, but the gov is moving to control us.

[wrought]

if they were upfront about a bloc/ndp/lib coalition, there would be a pc majority righ tnow, and wrought, and every other supporter of this bullshit know it

lol, you and Redz keep this up and we'll have to call the waaaaaambulance for you. Look, it's not about supporting this bullshit coalition, it's about supporting the basic rules that govern this country. I can't make it much clearer than that.

Proroguing parliament just to avoid a no confidence vote is WRONG and sets a horrible precedent. While a coalition may not be a great choice due to the inherent ethical issues it was still a legitimate choice, the other being to allow the vote and then call an election.

The most reasonable thing for the GG or Harper to do in this situation would have been to allow the vote, dissolve parliament, and have another election. In that situation chances are good that the result would favour Harper, but now things could get all kinds of stupid.....which should make for some fairly entertaining threads on here. :friday

[waderow]

lol, you and Redz keep this up and we'll have to call the waaaaaambulance for you. Look, it's not about supporting this bullshit coalition, it's about supporting the basic rules that govern this country. I can't make it much clearer than that.

Proroguing parliament just to avoid a no confidence vote is WRONG and sets a horrible precedent. While a coalition may not be a great choice due to the inherent ethical issues it was still a legitimate choice, the other being to allow the vote and then call an election.

The most reasonable thing for the GG or Harper to do in this situation would have been to allow the vote, dissolve parliament, and have another election. In that situation chances are good that the result would favour Harper, but now things could get all kinds of stupid.....which should make for some fairly entertaining threads on here. :friday

if leads to another election, thats wonderful. all for it.
the issue at hand is not about non-confidence though. its about a power grab. the power grab was planned out before any confidence issues could possibly arise.

shit, the vote subsidy? who cares and quite frankly GOOD, screw the parties, let then get their own money.
The conservatives had a reasonable approach to the world recession crisis, and so far, canada seems more stable then the world.
throwing money at a problem can only make things worse.

last point, the worst thing to happen to our economy in recent years is the proposed coalition govt. not the world recession

[macka]

wrought,

the libs and ndp are actively saying who has what seats in cabinet.When did they win that right??? They lost the election. Now they figure that they can just take parliment? No ****ing way.

[waderow]

our new flag....jack layton style

[Van Zan]

Its not democracy because voters were tricked, they planed this before the election was done.

?

[wrought]

if leads to another election, thats wonderful. all for it.
the issue at hand is not about non-confidence though. its about a power grab. the power grab was planned out before any confidence issues could possibly arise.

It is definitely about a power grab, but its both sides who are grabbing for it. The LNB with their coalition and the Harperites with their suspension of parliament to prevent a democratic vote.


shit, the vote subsidy? who cares and quite frankly GOOD, screw the parties, let then get their own money.

Think about that one for a second. We don't want to turn into the US where our political parties are controlled by their biggest corporate donors and the needs of special interests come ahead of the needs of the general population.


last point, the worst thing to happen to our economy in recent years is the proposed coalition govt. not the world recession

mkay, but are you sure its really the worstest worst thing ever, cuz I heard that Celine Dion might be making some Alberta stops on her next world tour.... :shock

[Redz]

It is definitely about a power grab, but its both sides who are grabbing for it. The LNB with their coalition and the Harperites with their suspension of parliament to prevent a democratic vote.
Harper did the only thing he could to enforce the mandate we the Canadian people gave him. You sir are full of bs.

[waderow]

Think about that one for a second. We don't want to turn into the US where our political parties are controlled by their biggest corporate donors and the needs of special interests come ahead of the needs of the general population.



our parties are already influenced by corporate lobby ... nothing new.

the problems is for example, the marijuana party. maybe they get 250000 votes across canada from pot heads. why should 1/2 mil of tax dollars go to a stupid ass party like that?

and how about a seperatist party like the bloc. why shoul dtax dollars go to a party that exists to break up canada.

we do not need the vote subsidy. the libs are crying and using it as an excuse. (plus the libs are broke because they suck)

[nisser]

Like I mentioned before...Harper doesn't give 2 shits about this country and only himself.

Now the more I think about this, the best for the country is not the coalition but for him to step down and someone else take the rains of the PC party.

[michealJ]

I understand that what the parties did by forming a coalition is well with in their right even tho it doesn’t represent me, I HATE the liberal leader and as for the NDP…. Do I have to say anything? With a guy like “Jack the rat” running the show! But to stoop to the extreme low of teaming up separatist party how can they look at them self in the mirror and say it’s for the greater good of Canada? COME ON PEOPLE! Wake up

[macka]

even if the Libs and NDP were to form a coalition, they still don't have enough seats to qualify to run the gov. as a minority. This is just an out and out power grab, and it is illegal under the election act. BQ may support this coalition but they are not acting in the interest of all Canadians, and they aren't a truly national party as they have a quebec only mandate.

[Gettin'r'round]

Like I mentioned before...Harper doesn't give 2 shits about this country and only himself.


Kind of like jacko layton and dion? At least Duceppe cares about HIS country.

[physique]

Kind of like jacko layton and dion? At least Duceppe cares about HIS country.

lmao, awesome post! HIS country. so true.

this thread is awesome guys, keep it up.
great read

[Bowlcut]

People need to realize that these guys are all a bunch of idiots and deserve Zyklon B for breakfast, :rolleyes:

Ventura said it best when he compared the Dems and Repubs to WWF wrestlers. They make a big scene infront of the masses how they are enemies and "hate" each other, but back stage they are best friends drinking beers.

We live in a country where we prefer a Stalinist and weirdo as PM to a stuttering Harry Potter look alike? Could it not get more absurd?

I can see why Quebecers want to separate from Canada because then they can focus in the shit show that is our province full time.

* On a side note these politicians get off from these games. I guarantee Harper has the huggest (well huge for a man with small man's syndrome) hard on when he is fighting with Dion, who can barely contain himself from rubbin is vag.

Harper made an agreement with the Bloc to bring down Martin and Stockwell Day had his plans back in 2000 as well. It is just a game to keep these leeches going because WE ALL KNOW these politicians could never cut it for a day doing a REAL job.
WTF does Layton know about the working class, the MOFO is just like every single Bolshevik out there; A bourgeois individual who can't live with the fact they had it better than somebody else growing up and so they cling to dreams like "equality" because they cannot accept reality.

[faller]

Good one Bowlcut!! You know the sad thing is i can't for the life of me remember when i last voted "for" a party. I've been voteing for 30 some odd years and always vote against a party.... Bottom feeding parisite's, right beside journalists..

[RagingRandy]

This coalition was cooked up before the election. They have Layton on tape. As was mentioned the Liberals and NDP do not have enough votes to control Parliament. So they enlist the Bloc who is not a formal member of the alliance. If they were all federalists would have their heads.

I would not have a problem if the Liberals and NDP took power if they had the seats to do so. They do not. I think the GG will take that into consideration if they carry through with the non-confidence vote and try to gain power again. I do not like the idea of them controlling Parliament but it is their right to do so.

Both Layton and Dion know that this is the only way they will have any power in Canada. Knowing this deal was cooked up prior, I am sure that is one of the reasons he did not resign immediately after the election. Even May wants in. We, in essence, will have a coalition of losers. How fitting is that?

Hypothetically, If the Liberals had won a strong minority do you think they would roll over if the Conservatives and the Family Coalition Party formed a coalition party propped up by the Alberta First party led by Klein? I think not.

Time to head back to the ballot boxes.

[faller]

Time to head back to the ballot boxes.

And with the left trying to form an alliance with the bloc they have ensured a right majority :a+

[Bowlcut]

Time to head to the gallows instead of the ballot box.

Nobody is question the whole British Parliamentary system and why we have such an anachronism masquerading as "democracy". There used to be a great form of government south of the border, and it wouldn't be too much to adopt their constitution and its first 10 amendments.

[#8]

I would rather have Bin Laden run Canada than Dion or Layton.

[waderow]

there needs to be an election if the government votes no confidence. not a scabby assed coalition.

[kingofthegeeks]

I must admit that i didn't vote in this last election, it was a pain in the ass for me to get to a polling station from the rig so i didn't go. However if there is another election i will shut down this rig before i miss my vote, i feel extremely guilty because i truly believe that if everyone like me had voted the conservatives may very well have got a majority government and we would not have to deal with any of this bullshit. I also believe that if we have another election the conservatives will win a majority and both the liberals and ndp will be dealt an almost death blow to thier parties. How can you have any respect for two parties that tried to sieze power because the ruling party tried to eliminate free money to political parties as well as pay cuts to political officials. I truly believe that this was all a plan by the conservatives to end up with a majority goverment, not the big mistake that everyone is making this out to be on Harpers part.

Then again, what the **** do i know about politics!

[wrought]

I would rather have Bin Laden run Canada than Dion or Layton.

Dion's out, Ignatieff is in.... the cluster**** that is our federal government continues.

The Cons started running radio ads in the GTA dumping on the separatist liberals/ndp last friday, lol, never too early to start campaigning eh. :flagC

[#8]

Sour grapes for Layton and Dion. This has nothing to do with bettering Canada, its about ego. Vote NDP if you're a commie, and vote Liberal if you already forgot how much money they stole from the taxpayers and handed to friendly beaurocrats (whom were already rich). Oh yeah, and vote Bloq.......if you're a treasoning piece of sh!t. Didn't they used to hang people for that? They should bring that back!

[faller]

Was talking with my wife and we both don't know the answer to this...

When an election is called how will it work, Conservative, Lib, NDP, bloc, four party's, or does it look like this, Conservative, Coalition?? Two party's??

[downtown]

I doubt if the coalition will last until jan to see an election, so i would assume that it will be the usual three of four parties on the ballot