What the hell is going on with our Government?

[hellfish]

Not sure if this has been talked about, I'm sure it has just can't find it, but I finally tuned into the news this week and can't believe our Parliament. Anybody got any predictions or opinions? It seems pretty underhanded and shitty even if legal. :ht democracy! I thought we voted our leaders in?

[waderow]

Not sure if this has been talked about, I'm sure it has just can't find it, but I finally tuned into the news this week and can't believe our Parliament. Anybody got any predictions or opinions? It seems pretty underhanded and shitty even if legal. :ht democracy! I thought we voted our leaders in?

there is some parts of this that are illegal.

I feel this is a precursor to the breakup of canada.

Alberta will separate before we let the fed govt destroy our province.

[Redz]

Its called a solcialist takeover. The end of democracy as we know it in Canada. I pray it doesnt come to light, there may be another election which should give the conservatives a majority this time around. WE can only hope.

[RagingRandy]

Alberta will separate before we let the fed govt destroy our province.

When it does there will be a flood of people heading west. I will be one of them.

[Big D]

maybe i should watch the news, i have no idea whats going on

[wrought]

there is some parts of this that are illegal.

I feel this is a precursor to the breakup of canada.

Alberta will separate before we let the fed govt destroy our province.

*headdesk*
Jeebus, its stupid for sure, but apparently not illegal, until all the shit gets sorted out please stop listening to the fear mongering that Stelmach is pumping out. The last thing this country needs is another whiney bunch of idiots crying about how special they are.

The way I see it is that if this goes ahead it will make the Liberals/NDP pretty unpopular (nobody likes the Bloc anyway so who cares) and the Cons will come back in the next election (whether thats in 2 months or 18 months)..... BUT if Harper tries to wiggle out of a no confidence vote by changing the rules and postponing shit then that's worse simply because he's trying to change the our existing laws to maintain power.... this is a bad thing because the whole purpose of allowing for an overturning of a minority government is so that if that minority is doing something seriously wrong we can get rid of them without waiting for another election (unlike the US that has been stuck with a halfwit ****wad as Prez for the last 4 years).

Today its Harper who lives by the sword/dies by the sword, next time it will be Ignatieff/Rae and Layton who get skewered.

[Redz]

Technically part of it was illegal because there is documentation that this was orchastrated prior to the election being complete.

[wrought]

When it does there will be a flood of people heading west. I will be one of them.

Come on, don't be so dramatic, this is Canadian politics and we all know that CDN politics is like.....uhhhh....I'd make an analogy to something here but I honestly can't think of anything as stupid, ineffective and pointless as Canadian politics. :D

[waderow]

*headdesk*
Jeebus, its stupid for sure, but apparently not illegal, until all the shit gets sorted out please stop listening to the fear mongering that Stelmach is pumping out. The last thing this country needs is another whiney bunch of idiots crying about how special they are.

like ontario residents and quebec residents? I have yet to read or listen to a stelmach responce.
The liberal and ndp platforms destroy alberta. ti is no secret, an dit is not whining. In a way I hope alberta seperates..... Will suck for UG labs though, as I think most are outt east....



The way I see it is that if this goes ahead it will make the Liberals/NDP pretty unpopular (nobody likes the Bloc anyway so who cares) and the Cons will come back in the next election (whether thats in 2 months or 18 months).....


What damage can be done in 18 months?.... answer: significant

[waderow]

Technically part of it was illegal because there is documentation that this was orchastrated prior to the election being complete.

this is true, and the dumb asses got caught

[wrought]

Technically part of it was illegal because there is documentation that this was orchastrated prior to the election being complete.

I've read the stuff about Layton's conference call but nowhere did it mention any illegality.... lack of integrity on the part of those involved for saying they weren't planning on forming a coalition during the election but nothing illegal.

Personally I'd like to hear some impartial constitutional lawyers weigh in on this instead of just hearing americanised talking points from party members. :)

[nisser]

I don't see how people claim this isn't democracy. The ruling party (or parties) should be the ones with the majority of the votes. No single party has that so a few of them came together.

There's nothing wrong with this and it's present in many other countries (ex. italy).

People get worked up over the tiniest things. I don't like this coalition because it included BQ which is a ****ing fungus and should die. But I also ****ing hate slimy Harper who decided to push his 2-inch dirty dick just a little too far this time.

[spankmonkey]

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[Redz]

I don't see how people claim this isn't democracy. The ruling party (or parties) should be the ones with the majority of the votes. No single party has that so a few of them came together.
The voters were deceived the entire campagn was anything but conservative.....makes sense now.

[wrought]

What damage can be done in 18 months?.... answer: significant

This is Canada. If anything we'll wind up with another ****ing referendum that will cost a billion dollars and resolve nothing....and if that shit happens I'm moving to Cape Breton and blowing up the causeway once I'm across.

[waderow]

I don't see how people claim this isn't democracy. The ruling party (or parties) should be the ones with the majority of the votes. No single party has that so a few of them came together.

There's nothing wrong with this and it's present in many other countries (ex. italy).

People get worked up over the tiniest things. I don't like this coalition because it included BQ which is a ****ing fungus and should die. But I also ****ing hate slimy Harper who decided to push his 2-inch dirty dick just a little too far this time.

really?
and what dont you like about harper?

[wrought]

really?
and what dont you like about harper?

Who cares what he doesn't like about Harper, this isn't a pissing match about what a great guy Sweatervest is. :ht

[MAJIN VEGETA]

We just now have three parties trying to become one, liberal, NDP, Block, tell you the truth seems our country is becoming like the states. The conservatives are true 100% Capitalists (republicans) and the other three groups are closer to democrats with NDP leading, so why not become one party that actually does represent the majority of the people that voted which happens to be the democrat parties. Just because the conservative party won the election doesn’t mean that the people are behind them, One they didn’t win by much, not even close to being a majority and TWO how many of us on this site voted, or your general public with general jobs? I can tell you I did not, because I was working to provide for my family, didn’t even know what day it was and really had no time to go and vote, Yes I know bosses will make time for you, well that’s even if your boss remembers to mention it. But why would a boss of a Corporation mention it? He has to be in favour for conservatives because he gets a nice tax break, while the rest of his employees do not. The democrats wanted to add a 2% tax to large Corporations which completely makes sense because the rich keep getting richer without putting the money back into the economy. But hey they work harder, so they must deserve to be that rich, and screw helping people. Capitalism doesn’t work in the long run, and once people start putting values in morals and how to treat fellow human beings I am 100% we will see how ****ing retarded we have been worshiping paper money. Oh no! Car companies are shutting down, oh no! we can’t fix roads, of course not, the employees at car companies get ****ing paid way too much, just like I get paid way to ****ing much, for walking down rail road tracks and switching tracks, that any idiot could do, but you better have a bachelors degree, so stupid, now on to fixing roads, you work for the city your getting paid too much and yeah it takes 15 guys to fix that one pot hole, makes sense A unionized system that doesn’t work right (Kellogg’s), way too much money is going into these peoples salaries and hey when winter time comes do you think summer crews have a hard time getting onto EI for the winter none what so ever, I am talking from experience here as a guy that held that STOP and SLOW sign for 32$ an hour, people in general want to many material things and they want them right away, I know I am one of those people ( a big hypocrite) . Conservatives are people that are self absorbed and don’t believe in making Canada a better all around country, Schools have become worse every year that conservatives had any power, smaller class rooms, lack of funding, NO PYHSED classes, the lack of your common worker to get EI, which is just wrong, you pay for it but can’t get it, that makes lots of sense, if you’re a greedy idiot. It’s our money; let people have it when they need it, simple, Parks and recreation centers shutting down, or unable to stay open. To think like a conservative is to stop caring about the people, the future and to only care about your own selfish ass presently. When did getting a smile back from helping a person, turn to a bad thing, or smiling in general? I have helped people in the past and will help them in the future, because I do know I have more than a lot of people. Example a mom in Wal-mart with three kids pulls out her purse and starts trying every card she had in her wallet, debit, visa, and master, all of them and they all come up as denied, So what did I do, I paid for her groceries, simple, you know she is in hard times, she’s broke with three kids, that need to eat.

I have gone on too long and I will not be replying to this thread as I have said enough.

MAJIN VEGETA

[waderow]

Who cares what he doesn't like about Harper, this isn't a pissing match about what a great guy Sweatervest is. :ht

just exposing ignorance

[wrought]

just exposing ignorance

Your own? :beer

lol, j/k, that was too easy. Sorry but we don't need the discussions on this board to turn into the kind of lame back and forth j'accuse crap that populates US political boards.

[waderow]

Your own? :beer

lol, j/k, that was too easy. Sorry but we don't need the discussions on this board to turn into the kind of lame back and forth j'accuse crap that populates US political boards.

this is an off topic forum thread about canadian politics, and the guy has a prob with the prime minister. obvioulsy a large one. Just curious what it is?
Most people with problems with harper are from quebec, and ontario and have no merit to their arguments.
harper is the only straight shooting PM I can recall in my memory.

Trudeau? should have been shot

Mulroney LOL should have been put in jail

Chretien????? Should have been put in jail

Martin...... Should have been put in jail

[nisser]

Believe it or not there are a lot of people in Alberta (<< Calgary) that don't exactly like Harper. Just look at the latest voting results; in every riding a substantial number of people voted NOT-PC even though there was no chance in hell for it to make a difference.

Harper is a slimy asshole who doesn't have the country in his best interest. While the world and the country is going through some of the harshest economic times in the past 3-4 decades, his major goal is to destroy his opposition and gain as large of a popularity as possible, even if it ****s over the country.


He's been a giant bucket of failed promises. I'll never forget the election debate where Harper mentions that he's going to put 50 million into youth crime prevention only to get stabbed by Layton right after who said that he promised the same thing last election and never deliver. Was the most awesome zinger I ever saw.

The GST cut was absolutely retarded. No one ever complains about the GST. If you want to help out, cut the income tax; the only people that the GST cut helps are the rich people that can buy more shit and they don't need it. If he could rule Canada Putin style as an autocracy, you can bet his tiny 2 inch dick on it.

The last straw was trying to remove the vote subsidy; his most selfish act yet. Cocky bastard thought he could get away with it.

My only hope is that Layton gets to be PM and not Dion.

[Redz]

My only hope is that Layton gets to be PM and not Dion.
Thankfully not even the Liberals are dumb enough to let that idiot run anything. Layton running this country is a scary thought.

[nisser]

Layton is actually a pretty likable, intelligent guy. It's unfortunate he ended up leading a shitty party with dumb ideas though. If he was at the helm of the liberals he'd do really well. I think it just sends a bad message if Dion is put at the helm, considering he's resigning due to complete incompetence.

[wrought]

harper is the only straight shooting PM I can recall in my memory.

Trudeau? should have been shot

Mulroney LOL should have been put in jail

Chretien????? Should have been put in jail

Martin...... Should have been put in jail

hmmmm, i see a trend here.... PM = corrupt wanker in need of prosecution

...and for the record, straight shooting and Prime Minister are mutually exclusive. :D

[waderow]

Believe it or not there are a lot of people in Alberta (<< Calgary) that don't exactly like Harper. Just look at the latest voting results; in every riding a substantial number of people voted NOT-PC even though there was no chance in hell for it to make a difference.

Harper is a slimy asshole who doesn't have the country in his best interest. While the world and the country is going through some of the harshest economic times in the past 3-4 decades, his major goal is to destroy his opposition and gain as large of a popularity as possible, even if it ****s over the country.


He's been a giant bucket of failed promises. I'll never forget the election debate where Harper mentions that he's going to put 50 million into youth crime prevention only to get stabbed by Layton right after who said that he promised the same thing last election and never deliver. Was the most awesome zinger I ever saw.

The GST cut was absolutely retarded. No one ever complains about the GST. If you want to help out, cut the income tax; the only people that the GST cut helps are the rich people that can buy more shit and they don't need it. If he could rule Canada Putin style as an autocracy, you can bet his tiny 2 inch dick on it.

The last straw was trying to remove the vote subsidy; his most selfish act yet. Cocky bastard thought he could get away with it.

My only hope is that Layton gets to be PM and not Dion.

a bucketload eh? you made one point.........

a chickenshit 50mil youth crime prevention is nothing. wouldnt accomplish anything, and its not even worth noting as far as i am concerned. useless waste of money. put the 50 mil into policing, and jails.

you should google "liberal failed election promises canada" lol

you may recall the platform for the liberals years ago was to reduce and remove the gst! - fail


and vote subsidy being the last straw????? WTF! are you talking about

its another non-issue. who cares, and quite honest, why should the parties get a subsidy anyways? thats my ****ing tax dollars!
the god damned green party and marijuana party and communist party do not deserve and tax dollars. they shouldnt exist period.

[waderow]

hmmmm, i see a trend here.... PM = corrupt wanker in need of prosecution

...and for the record, straight shooting and Prime Minister are mutually exclusive. :D

harper has so far kept as may primises as possible, and only seems to not follow through when stymied by opposition, for instance, abolishing the boondogle called the gun registry (thank the libs for that waste)

[hellfish]

Just watched the two national addresses on CBC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the book behind Dion on the shelf above his right shoulder, is the title on the spine "HOT AIR" and right beside that one "365 DAYS"?

LOL!!

[Seth]

So Dion speaks of trust in an elected government? It doesn't make any sense when he's trying to take the power without our votes... We just voted that government in place. If he thinks we don't trust this government anymore, he should just propose us an economic plan then vote against the govt and send us back in another stupid election, not make a coup and try to take it by some constitutional loophole...

[Gib]

"The ruling party (or parties) should be the ones with the majority of the votes. No single party has that so a few of them came together."

Do you see the hypocrisy in this statement? Yes, MORE people voted for the other three parties than oeted for the conservatives. BUT, more people voted for the conservaties that voted for the Liberals, or voted forthe NDP , or than voted for the Bloq.

And NO ONE voted for a three party alliance! So three independant parties just decided to become one, a party that so far has not laid out ANY of their platform or goals, a party that doesnt have a name beyond "the coalition" (is this the ****ing WWE??), and a party that NO ONE IN CANADA HAS EVER VOTED FOR.

Thas acceptable to some?? Because they are your team?

If politicians dont like where parliament is going, then effect change by bringing forth good ideas, working hard to get your message and views out, and if the country agrees with you, win the voteds that get you into power.

[waderow]

if there is non-confidence in parliament, then an election should happen. Just like you said Gib, the people didnt vote for coalition, and coalition was an obvious goal pre-election, why was it not a platform???? because most sensible voters despise socialism.


Heres a facebook groups blurb.... an accurate synopsis by Riley Whitelock

Last week, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty tabled an economic update in the House of Commons to take steps to reduce government spending and to show Canadians politicians are willing to walk the walk, and tighten their belts.

Some of the original measures included canceling $27 million in tax payer subsidies to political parties ($1.95 per vote, every election, for parties with over 5&#37; of the vote), limiting M.P. salary increases, freezing civil servant salaries, and temporarily ending the right to strike for our civil servants (to ensure stability in the civil service during the worst economic downturn during the Great Depression).

The opposition parties claim a lack of economic stimulus as for their reasoning for a coalition government agreement. Canadians know better than that, and see through their games. We know the only reason the opposition got a backbone was the thought of losing their tax payer subsidies.

Our current Government was planning to take the responsible path of delivering an economic stimulus package in the federal budget in January. This was to wait after hearing the provincial needs in a First Ministers conference, and waiting to see which direction the Obama administration would take (in regards to the auto industry) when Mr. Obama takes office in January.

The opposition is demanding reckless action of throwing money around, without first consulting the provinces first.

Prime Minister Harper, realizing Canadians would not want an election over this issue, removed contentious portions of the economic update including canceling party subsidies, and civil servant's right to strike. He also pushed ahead the budget date to early January.

The opposition parties are power hungry, and will stop at nothing to take hold of power.

In the October 14th election, they never told Canadians they had intentions of forming a coalition government. In fact, Dion, denied this during the election. Centrist, moderate Canadians who voted Liberal didn't necessarily vote for them with the intention they were going to form a coalition with the socialists (NDP) and separatists with full out socialist economics.

The Canadian people have not lost confidence in the Conservative Government. Only the opposition parties have, in their desperate blind grab at power.

Fight for better. Join us in demanding democracy be upheld. The vast majority of Canadians do not want a coalition government with a Prime Minister Dion (rejected by 74% of Canadians), with the socialist NDP, propped up by the separatists who want to destroy this country.

The TSX dropped 9% on Monday. Our country needs stability, and these three stooges antics are adding to the economic turmoil our markets are reeling from.

Shame on the Liberals. Shame on the NDP. Demand better. Demand democracy.

[Gib]

What facebook group is that from?

[Van Zan]

Conservative 37.65&#37; of total votes
Liberal 26.26% of total votes
Bloc Qu&#233;b&#233;cois 9.98% of total votes
New Democrats 18.18% of total votes

Voter turnout for 2008 election was the lowest at 59.1%

that means :

Conservative 22.25% vote of total population
Liberal 15.52% vote of total population
Bloc Qu&#233;b&#233;cois 5.89% vote of total population
New Democrats 10.74% vote of total population

So when harper say that the majority of the Canadians (@ 22.25%) voted for him. I find it funny!

[Easterner]

I think Gig and Waderow said it all. So the only thing ill add is I would much rather their be a new election called over this than the power be given to this coalition. Because I honestly believe the Conservatives would come out of this with a strong majority if it was a vote for a coalition or them.

[waderow]

Conservative 37.65% of total votes
Liberal 26.26% of total votes
Bloc Québécois 9.98% of total votes
New Democrats 18.18% of total votes

Voter turnout for 2008 election was the lowest at 59.1%

that means :

Conservative 22.25% vote of total population
Liberal 15.52% vote of total population
Bloc Québécois 5.89% vote of total population
New Democrats 10.74% vote of total population

So when harper say that the majority of the Canadians (@ 22.25%) voted for him. I find it funny! look at the number the difference between liberal is pretty slim.

first of all, the bloc shouldnt be a federal party, as they only represent quebec. that being said, 22% beats 15%. there is a majority of people who vote conservative verses libs, etc. a minority govt was wanted, and voted for. A lot of people who voted wanted a conservative minority. They were happy with the previous govt, but were still leary of affording a majority.

[Van Zan]

yes I agree that 22% beats 15%. that is still a pretty slim portion of the canadians population not even a 1/4. Dont get me wrong I also understand ur logic

[trykillthis]

and TWO how many of us on this site voted, or your general public with general jobs? I can tell you I did not, because I was working to provide for my family, didn’t even know what day it was and really had no time to go and vote, Yes I know bosses will make time for you, well that’s even if your boss remembers to mention it. .

MAJIN VEGETA


If you don't vote, don't bitch.

I am tired of hearing people piss and moan about the government when they never voted themselves. Even if you go spoil your ballot (vote green) at least you made your mark and were part of the process. Laziness is a pretty sad excuse for not voting. Lots of WW2 vets out there that fought for this right tooth and nail.

[physique]

its obvious this all came about when Harper tried to take away the tax subsiduaries that go to the parties. I FEEL THEY SHOULD TAKE THIS AWAY. WHY SHOULD TAX DOLLARS GO TO RE-ELCTION? ESPECIALLY THE BLOC???????? WTF

Also MJ posted about paying for the groceries of a single mom with 3 kids. kudos to you man, as i know i couldnt do that. as she choose the life she is living, and i nor society shouldnt have to bail her out. she should of kept her legs closed or used a CONDOM and thought about making something of herself instead of looking for a loophole or someone else to pay her way.

**** i hate politics

[RagingRandy]

This is Canada. If anything we'll wind up with another ****ing referendum that will cost a billion dollars and resolve nothing....and if that shit happens I'm moving to Cape Breton and blowing up the causeway once I'm across.

And who is being dramatic now? :ne

[wrought]

And who is being dramatic now? :ne

That would be me! DOWN WIT DA CAUSEWAY! :D

[Gettin'r'round]

Harper is dead man walking. He won't be around for the next election. Dion is already dead, he just ignores the fact he holed himself in his home after the election and didn't talk to anyone for 3 days. Lame duck of lame ducks. Layton is a Chavez wannabe and like good socialists everywhere, knows what is BEST for everyone, and Canadians are simply to dumb to know what is best for them (him) so taking power by any means necessary is what is required for the good of us all. As for Duceppe, he gets more $$$ for Quebec so all is good in his books.

What is scary is the fragility of the coalition. The ****-up of Dion's TV broadcast, Layton wanting is own airtime, backbench mp's of both ndp/liberal who's skin is crawling by cozying up to the Bloc, and giving the veto power over all Canadian law to a separatist party. Who thinks this won't last more than a few weeks is crazy. The problem is the damage they would do during this short time and the rudderless ship of the economy crashing on the rocks of socialist debt spending...

[waderow]

Harper is dead man walking. He won't be around for the next election. Dion is already dead, he just ignores the fact he holed himself in his home after the election and didn't talk to anyone for 3 days. Lame duck of lame ducks. Layton is a Chavez wannabe and like good socialists everywhere, knows what is BEST for everyone, and Canadians are simply to dumb to know what is best for them (him) so taking power by any means necessary is what is required for the good of us all. As for Duceppe, he gets more $$$ for Quebec so all is good in his books.

What is scary is the fragility of the coalition. The ****-up of Dion's TV broadcast, Layton wanting is own airtime, backbench mp's of both ndp/liberal who's skin is crawling by cozying up to the Bloc, and giving the veto power over all Canadian law to a separatist party. Who thinks this won't last more than a few weeks is crazy. The problem is the damage they would do during this short time and the rudderless ship of the economy crashing on the rocks of socialist debt spending...

NDP is the worst political party we have based on platform. It would destroy the nation. the NDP has a place, and that is on the opposition to keep the govt in check on social issues, and environmental issues. Not BY ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM the ones calling the shots.

[hellfish]

We'd be better off drawing straws for PM.

[natenator]

****in Iraq has a more stable Government than we do. How pathetic is that shit?

****in country! lol

[Redz]

****in Iraq has a more stable Government than we do. How pathetic is that shit?

and more democratic too!

[faller]

I think a coalition would be the best thing that could happen! An NDP/Liberal coalition would probably work, for the most part the people could except this. But a coalition with the bloc. would implode within weeks of takeing the helm.

Another election would be called, oh goodie, and the Conservatives will walk away with a massive majority :a+