Somebody translate this Blood Work for me!

[WORLD]

I got some results back. I'm not entirely sure what they mean or imply. My doc says that I'm good, but he's just good for a signature most of the time.


I'll post them here for ya (word for word) in a PDF file so it's easier to understand.

Note: My first cycle of test e ended in September, followed by PCT of Nolva.

[L3]

if you could format the results it a little clearer its kindof hard to understand... i notice your free test is pretty low...try boosting that naturally with some tribulus extract, 3g a day should be enough but i like to go overboard so i take 6+, also think about throwing in a supplement with fenugreek (Zeus has it but its $$$)

after my first cycle i went through 3 bottles of trib + 1 bottle of zeus + pct and 4 weeks later my free test was 100+ :D

EDIT: whre those the only tests done? what about liver panel and kidney and lipids?

[WORLD]

if you could format the results it a little clearer its kindof hard to understand... i notice your free test is pretty low...try boosting that naturally with some tribulus extract, 3g a day should be enough but i like to go overboard so i take 6+, also think about throwing in a supplement with fenugreek (Zeus has it but its $$$)

after my first cycle i went through 3 bottles of trib + 1 bottle of zeus + pct and 4 weeks later my free test was 100+ :D

EDIT: whre those the only tests done? what about liver panel and kidney and lipids?

Thanks, I changed it to a PDF file. Much easier to read. The free test is pretty low in the range. I'm starting cycle again next week so no need to the natty test boosters. I'll grab some after this cycle for sure.

They were done at Gamma Dynacare (If you're familiar with that). I didn't request anything else to be checked. Should I have gotten my liver panel and lipids checked as well?

[L3]

LH causes your balls to produce test, FSH helps your balls grow and just to make it clear i have 0 formal medical training, so i would assume that you having below normal levels means that you haven't fully recovered yet, im going to guess that you didn't use HCG during the cycle.
i didnt get LH and FSH tested so i couldnt tell you what my results are.
you should get like a full blood panel just to have a reference point for later i assume you want to be doing this for a while

if i was you i'd wait till all 3 levels were higher

[wrought]

I'm no endo but after going through the same testing obviously the test is at the low end, LH is non-existant, and so is FSH so your body isn't signalling your testes to produce testosterone.... basically with a low LH like that it looks like your HPTA is still suppressed from the last cycle and your PCT didn't work that well.

While on clomid my test levels were lower than yours but my LH/FSH was high because my body was trying to restart its own production. This time around, use HCG and when you come off try clomid instead of nolva.

[shivsean]

I'm no endo but after going through the same testing obviously the test is at the low end, LH is non-existant, and so is FSH so your body isn't signalling your testes to produce testosterone.... basically with a low LH like that it looks like your HPTA is still suppressed from the last cycle and your PCT didn't work that well.

While on clomid my test levels were lower than yours but my LH/FSH was high because my body was trying to restart its own production. This time around, use HCG and when you come off try clomid instead of nolva.

Well said Wrougt - you summarized his problem.

[WORLD]

LH causes your balls to produce test, FSH helps your balls grow and just to make it clear i have 0 formal medical training, so i would assume that you having below normal levels means that you haven't fully recovered yet, im going to guess that you didn't use HCG during the cycle.
i didnt get LH and FSH tested so i couldnt tell you what my results are.
you should get like a full blood panel just to have a reference point for later i assume you want to be doing this for a while

if i was you i'd wait till all 3 levels were higher

Yeah, I have some from before the cycle. I should have gotten them tested after the cycle as well.


I'm no endo but after going through the same testing obviously the test is at the low end, LH is non-existant, and so is FSH so your body isn't signalling your testes to produce testosterone.... basically with a low LH like that it looks like your HPTA is still suppressed from the last cycle and your PCT didn't work that well.

While on clomid my test levels were lower than yours but my LH/FSH was high because my body was trying to restart its own production. This time around, use HCG and when you come off try clomid instead of nolva.

Hmm interesting. I'm going to try using HCG at the end of this cycle and see if that makes a difference. Again, I'll wait about 2 months after I have my last shot and take blood work.

You know my first cycle is still questionable to me. My testes never shrunk. I did have mild side affects like acne, and did see small gains in weight and strength.

I wonder if I should wait a little longer until I start the next cycle. Again, its been since the beginning of September since the last one ended.

[WORLD]

Would it be possible that low numbers in this test could be associated directly with insomnia?

[L3]

indirectly yes since your body is supposed to produce test while you sleep at night

[wrought]

I wonder if I should wait a little longer until I start the next cycle. Again, its been since the beginning of September since the last one ended.

At this point your system is shut down and if you go back on it will remain shut down, but if you stay off there is no guarantee that it will restart any time soon without proper usage of clomid or HCG, and then once its restarted your just going to shut it down again when you go back on anyway...... :)

[Blitz-Test]

I dont know why your going back on another cycle without recovering...

If your last cycle was 10 weeks, lets say you did 4 week pct then 10 weeks off your at 28 weeks of being suppressed, now your going to further supress yourself for what another 10 weeks, bringing it to 38 weeks, and try to recover after that?

Dont plan to come off after this...

[WORLD]

I dont know why your going back on another cycle without recovering...

If your last cycle was 10 weeks, lets say you did 4 week pct then 10 weeks off your at 28 weeks of being suppressed, now your going to further supress yourself for what another 10 weeks, bringing it to 38 weeks, and try to recover after that?

Dont plan to come off after this...

I actually just got my blood results today. I was expecting to have recovered by now. But, if I'm not ready for it yet, then I'll prospone it. Whatever I have to do to stay safe.

How long do you usually wait? I know we aren't the same, but generally.

[L3]

i think lots of ppl use time off = time on as a minimum rule of thumb, i think time off = 2x time on is a better call but everyone is different

[St]

I would take a few big shots of hcg,and some clomid to get your natural test back.Always keep some hcg or clomid for a rainy day.

[St]

BTW if you don't have any natural test in the body you might shrink and look like this small boy haha.

[WORLD]

I would take a few big shots of hcg,and some clomid to get your natural test back.Always keep some hcg or clomid for a rainy day.

lol nice pic. Don't scare me.

You led me to my next question. I was going to ask if it would be a good idea to use some HCG now. I don't see how it could make a difference if it's right after I finish, or two months later. HCG initially serves the same purpose, right?

What sort of dose would you recommend and for how long. I guess I would have to get bloodwork again after I finish to see if it was effective?

[St]

lol nice pic. Don't scare me.

You led me to my next question. I was going to ask if it would be a good idea to use some HCG now. I don't see how it could make a difference if it's right after I finish, or two months later. HCG initially serves the same purpose, right?

What sort of dose would you recommend and for how long. I guess I would have to get bloodwork again after I finish to see if it was effective?


You can take hcg two ways 1500-5000ui shot every 5 day,or take 500ui ed,i hate all the ed pokes but that is me.Yes you can still take your hcg now.

[Blitz-Test]

I actually just got my blood results today. I was expecting to have recovered by now. But, if I'm not ready for it yet, then I'll prospone it. Whatever I have to do to stay safe.

How long do you usually wait? I know we aren't the same, but generally.

I get my tests done 6 weeks post cycle, I am usually 90% recovered by then so I base it on that

[WORLD]

You can take hcg two ways 1500-5000ui shot every 5 day,or take 500ui ed,i hate all the ed pokes but that is me.Yes you can still take your hcg now.

Thanks tony I'll try that out and post how I feel.



I get my tests done 6 weeks post cycle, I am usually 90% recovered by then so I base it on that

6 weeks? Thats insane. So basically right after you finish up your PCT. For me it's been at least 12 weeks and you can see my results. I'm really curious why everything is still so low.

[WORLD]

If my LH and fsh are basically non existant, my body is not being signalled to produce natural testosterone.

Then why:
-are my testes normal size?
-do I still have free test (although low, still in range)?

How can I have test at that level if my body isn't supposed to be producing any?

[wrought]

If my LH and fsh are basically non existant, my body is not being signalled to produce natural testosterone.

Then why:
-are my testes normal size?
-do I still have free test (although low, still in range)?

How can I have test at that level if my body isn't supposed to be producing any?

Ball size is not 100% indicative of function, and small amounts of test are still produced by your adrenal glands... but basically you still have free test because your balls are still functional, just not at the level that they should be.

How old are you BTW?

[WORLD]

Ball size is not 100% indicative of function, and small amounts of test are still produced by your adrenal glands... but basically you still have free test because your balls are still functional, just not at the level that they should be.

How old are you BTW?

I see. I'm 22.

[wrought]

I see. I'm 22.

You're young enough that things should have bounced back fairly quickly so based on what you've told us so far just be aware going forward that its possible you may be very susceptible to HPTA suppression. This isn't really an issue for the short term if you're cycling on and off regularly or just staying on all the time, but down the road it could become a permanent condition requiring HRT.

Better to know the potential consequences now then find out when its too late. :greet

[broken7]

What compounds were used and for what dose/duration ?
When was the last shot ? what was your pct dosage/duration ?

[WORLD]

What compounds were used and for what dose/duration ?
When was the last shot ? what was your pct dosage/duration ?

10 wks Test e 500mg/wk, which ended August 18th.
Waited two weeks after last shot, then Nolva 40/40/20/20

Thats it.

[WORLD]

You're young enough that things should have bounced back fairly quickly so based on what you've told us so far just be aware going forward that its possible you may be very susceptible to HPTA suppression. This isn't really an issue for the short term if you're cycling on and off regularly or just staying on all the time, but down the road it could become a permanent condition requiring HRT.

Better to know the potential consequences now then find out when its too late. :greet

You're right, it is better to find out these things earlier on before they become a problem.

I think I'm going to take the given advice and use some HCG and Nolva again.

How does this sound?

Hcg @ 1500/wk for 2 weeks
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 (4 weeks total).

Then blood work again to see if that had any impact?

[L3]

id go with clomid over nolva bro obvioulsy the first ttime around wasnt so effective

i would also invest in some Tribulus Extract... that stuff is supposed to directly stimulates LH!

[WORLD]

id go with clomid over nolva bro obvioulsy the first ttime around wasnt so effective

i would also invest in some Tribulus Extract... that stuff is supposed to directly stimulates LH!

I could grab Clomid, but from what I read they are basically the same. I'd have to order some which might take a while.

This link here has a good read on the differences/similarities of the two. Please correct me if I'm wrong in this case.

Tribulis is a good idea. I'll be sure to grab some, it can't hurt.

[L3]

This link here has a good read on the differences/similarities of the two. Please correct me if I'm wrong in this case.


im not 100% sure on the difference as it effects your htpa, i know that related to dosage 20mg novla is suppsoed to = 150mg clomid or something along those lines.

for my first pct i did both 40mg novla and 150mg clomid at the same time (overkill) then dropped to 50mg clomid on advice, the seoncd time aroudn i just did 50mg clomid + aromasin, i felt great no mood swings like with a high clomid dose, but i havent gone to get my levels checked yet

i feel like the general consensus is nolva/aromasin/adex for estrogen symptoms while on cycle, and clomid/aromasin for pct, but i could be wrong!

gl