First injectable cycle

[handcontrol]

I have done some reseach on injectables and know my body fairly well when it comes to nutrition and diet. I have a good supply of m1t and other designers and that is all I have tried. I am looking to do a test prop only cycle, then maybe stack with m1t for a 2nd cycle???? I work out at home and have been working out since I was 15. I am 33, 5'6 195lbs 15% bodyfat. I have benched 400lbs, squat 560lbs and deaded 525Lbs without anything ..well I did take mag 10 for a bit when it came out! I pushed my bench to 450lbs with 10 day cycles of m1t@10mg a day. I responded really well to m1t in only 10 day cycles(seriously!) with little side effects(I did finish off with nolva though for 10 days as well) but my diet was spot on. I am looking to get a little more serious. What do you seasoned fellows think of this as a start and is it hard to obtain prop? I choose prop because of the properties it has and certainly not because I would like to inject several times a week!!

[tex]

pin it daily...start with 50mg per day for 8 weeks.....prop is my fave....ill never do long esters for cycles again.......

[Crankin'steiN]

I suggest you use a longer acting ester for your first cycle just for the fact that not many guys like to inject frequently and being it your first experience with injects you may want to take it easy on frequency..... Not too mention you don't have to remember to inject so often so it's less complicated....

I suggest either cyp or enth at 500mg/week for your first cycle.... Have your nolva on hand just in case and make sure PCT is figured out and on hand so it's there when you need it. 10 weeks is probably a good length for the cycle.

I'm not touching the question about obtaining it... You're on your own there bro sorry.

[IronRobi]

I suggest you use a longer acting ester for your first cycle just for the fact that not many guys like to inject frequently and being it your first experience with injects you may want to take it easy on frequency..... Not too mention you don't have to remember to inject so often so it's less complicated....


This is true, but there can be 2 sides to this. Most first timers do not like injecting ED or EOD. However some can handle it. Using a fast acting ester like prop, if major sides happen to occur then it takes much less time for the drug to clear your system and you can commence pct.

A word of advise to handcontrol, I would not ask openly on a public forum about obtaining any drug.

That being said, have you put much thought into dosage, length of cycle, pct?

[champcar99]

I love prop over long esters anyday...after a while you might get addicted to injecting all time and also look forward to the next injection.

[handcontrol]

This is true, but there can be 2 sides to this. Most first timers do not like injecting ED or EOD. However some can handle it. Using a fast acting ester like prop, if major sides happen to occur then it takes much less time for the drug to clear your system and you can commence pct.

A word of advise to handcontrol, I would not ask openly on a public forum about obtaining any drug.

That being said, have you put much thought into dosage, length of cycle, pct?

This is actually the main reason why I would like to start with prop. I have never used test or any injectable before so I do not know what to expect, and if I didn't like it, I would like it to be under control in days not weeks. If that went well, I would most certainly try a longer acting version. I am not needle shy because of my line of work. Sorry if I ask some stupid questions. I was thinking 100mg every other day, but would like to do a short cycle just to start, like 4 weeks??? Is that unheard of?? I know that is short from what I have read. Then move up the length of the cycle first and then the dosage?????. That is what I had in mind. I have clomid here that I never used with the m1t, and nolva along with other otc supplements to aid recovery. I have probably done more research on pct in the past then the actual on cycles, as from what my research has shown me , it gets screwed up alot more than the actual cycle.

[Big D]

I suggest you use a longer acting ester for your first cycle just for the fact that not many guys like to inject frequently and being it your first experience with injects you may want to take it easy on frequency..... Not too mention you don't have to remember to inject so often so it's less complicated....

I suggest either cyp or enth at 500mg/week for your first cycle.... Have your nolva on hand just in case and make sure PCT is figured out and on hand so it's there when you need it. 10 weeks is probably a good length for the cycle.

I'm not touching the question about obtaining it... You're on your own there bro sorry.


I totally agree, but i would suggest for a 12 week cycle, i tried prop for my first cycle and i couldn't finish it because of the pain. i just wasint used to it i guess and i did not enjoy the frequent injections.

[macka]

HC you could even do enth at 400mg/week and make impressive gains. Prop ED or even EOD may not be your cup of tea. I was given old school advice from a respected vet for my first cycle and it was a real bread and butter cycle.

test enth 500mg/wk
deca 400 mg/wk

for 12 weeks, then a PCT of clomid tapered over 4 weeks, 2 weeks after last inject. I would consider this before going with a short ester cycle.

[logen32]

It really is just preference. My first cycle was Test suspension so i was a pin cushion with 2 injections a day. The strength results where instant.

So test P if u run into sides u can stop it quickly. But the down side is frequent pinning, so i guess its up to u if ur comfortable pinning once a day.

[waderow]

pressing 450 gear free. why bother with gear?

I would venture to say 95% of everyone here cannot bench 450 clean

[handcontrol]

Good genetics helps alot. My dad is 60 years old and can bench 380lbs and he wouldn't know a steroid if it hit him on the head. I could maybe push that to 550lbs with some gear:a+. How much is enough? Just a little bit more:hu

[Drifter]

HC you could even do enth at 400mg/week and make impressive gains. Prop ED or even EOD may not be your cup of tea. I was given old school advice from a respected vet for my first cycle and it was a real bread and butter cycle.

test enth 500mg/wk
deca 400 mg/wk

for 12 weeks, then a PCT of clomid tapered over 4 weeks, 2 weeks after last inject. I would consider this before going with a short ester cycle.



exactly what I would suggest and add some D-bol for the first 4 weeks 40 -50 mg ed

Good ole Bread n butta cycle works like a dam :a+

[Led Hed]

pressing 450 gear free. why bother with gear?

I would venture to say 95% of everyone here cannot bench 450 clean
^^^ Truth. I'm not sure how old you are, but if your numbers really are what they say they are (as opposed to e-stats), you have some seriously amazing genetics. I would stick to what you've got for now because once you turn, things just won't be the same natty.

Anyway, You've been give some solid advice. I personally would recommend long ester (ie. Cyp or Enth). 500mg/week shouldn't give you any sides and you'll make great gains if everything else is in order. Don't complicate things too much for yourself on your first go. KISS; keep it simple, stupid.

[IronRobi]

This is actually the main reason why I would like to start with prop. I have never used test or any injectable before so I do not know what to expect, and if I didn't like it, I would like it to be under control in days not weeks. If that went well, I would most certainly try a longer acting version. I am not needle shy because of my line of work. Sorry if I ask some stupid questions. I was thinking 100mg every other day, but would like to do a short cycle just to start, like 4 weeks??? Is that unheard of?? I know that is short from what I have read. Then move up the length of the cycle first and then the dosage?????. That is what I had in mind. I have clomid here that I never used with the m1t, and nolva along with other otc supplements to aid recovery. I have probably done more research on pct in the past then the actual on cycles, as from what my research has shown me , it gets screwed up alot more than the actual cycle.

OK, I know most people on this thread are recommending longer acting esters, and that's mainly for the ease of use. But what they aren't doing is reading your reasoning behind wanting to use prop and the fact that you are not shy of needles. After all, test is test. Regardless of the ester. Then some are recommending you mix test/deca/dbol for your first cycle, I however always recommend test only for the simple fact on you do not know how you will react being your first time, and if you have a bad one, which of the 3 would be causing it? Who knows. So stick to your plan, it's just fine.

Your dosage looks good at 100mg EOD, I'd stretch it out from 4 weeks to 10-12. At 4 weeks you'll really just be getting into the swing of things, and we all know you won't want to come off just yet.

[handcontrol]

^^^ Truth. I'm not sure how old you are, but if your numbers really are what they say they are (as opposed to e-stats), you have some seriously amazing genetics. I would stick to what you've got for now because once you turn, things just won't be the same natty.

Anyway, You've been give some solid advice. I personally would recommend long ester (ie. Cyp or Enth). 500mg/week shouldn't give you any sides and you'll make great gains if everything else is in order. Don't complicate things too much for yourself on your first go. KISS; keep it simple, stupid.

I am 33, I could bench 270lbs when I was 20. The rest of the gains came in the next 12 years of lifting. I have gotten "compliments" about being on juice many times and thought that was awesome! I think that is why I waited as long as I have. What are "e-stats"??? I would also like to lift that much weight with single digit body fat as well. Are you serious about the natty test? You can't get it fully back again???
Anyway, I was reading the thread about Schering primo and I recieved some about 10 months ago but only 1 box.(for free) From what I read this wasn't much. So I just put it away.What would the best way be to add this to the prop cycle since I have it here anyway? I think it is 5 amps 100mgs?? It is in German 5 amp zu je 1ml. Or should I leave it out first go?

[IronRobi]

Leave it out and add it in next time when you've got more to work with. Primo is pretty mild, and with only 5 amps you really don't have enough to do anything worthwhile with it.

[Crankin'steiN]

That reasoning for using prop is understandable but what side effects from test are you so worried about that you would need them to drop off right away??? Dropping your test levels off quicly can leave you with high estrogen levels and low test levels which could worsen your side effects instead of make them better until you level things off..... So being on a long ester where your levels come down more slowly and you can get on nolva to help level things out properly over a couple weeks could work out much better. What I'm trying to say is that test doesn't carry with it any very serious side effects and if you are that worried about them that you want to be able to jump out of a cycle at any time then I would have to ask are you running test when you know you shouldn't be cause of pre existing medical conditions or something?? Cuz if so it isn't a good idea at all.... If not then there should be no need to worry so much that you can't commit to using a long ester and then deal with the moderate side effects if any for a couple weeks if you decide you don't like them... And just because you say you aren't needle shy doesn't mean you are ready to poke yourself every other day... I've poked myself 3 times a day on some cycles for weeks and I've done over a dozen cycles at least and I still don't enjoy poking every other day and sometimes don't want to do it... So for your own good I think you should use a long ester, make things simple and only use test, commit yourself or don't and run it for 10 - 12 weeks. I'm yet to hear of someone on their first cycle using only test at 500mg/wk begging for a good way to get off because they can't handle the side effects.....

Now... This is all just my humble opinion and you can take it for what it's worth. No matter what you do I'll still be here looking for an update on what your running and trying to help you do it in the best way possible because of all the guys that have done it for me over the years.... Good luck with whatever you choose!

BTW.... Post count doesn't mean shit... I've been around the block and back with this stuff so at least read what I've written for you and consider it plz.

[Drifter]

That reasoning for using prop is understandable but what side effects from test are you so worried about that you would need them to drop off right away??? Dropping your test levels off quicly can leave you with high estrogen levels and low test levels which could worsen your side effects instead of make them better until you level things off..... So being on a long ester where your levels come down more slowly and you can get on nolva to help level things out properly over a couple weeks could work out much better. What I'm trying to say is that test doesn't carry with it any very serious side effects and if you are that worried about them that you want to be able to jump out of a cycle at any time then I would have to ask are you running test when you know you shouldn't be cause of pre existing medical conditions or something?? Cuz if so it isn't a good idea at all.... If not then there should be no need to worry so much that you can't commit to using a long ester and then deal with the moderate side effects if any for a couple weeks if you decide you don't like them... And just because you say you aren't needle shy doesn't mean you are ready to poke yourself every other day... I've poked myself 3 times a day on some cycles for weeks and I've done over a dozen cycles at least and I still don't enjoy poking every other day and sometimes don't want to do it... So for your own good I think you should use a long ester, make things simple and only use test, commit yourself or don't and run it for 10 - 12 weeks. I'm yet to hear of someone on their first cycle using only test at 500mg/wk begging for a good way to get off because they can't handle the side effects.....

Now... This is all just my humble opinion and you can take it for what it's worth. No matter what you do I'll still be here looking for an update on what your running and trying to help you do it in the best way possible because of all the guys that have done it for me over the years.... Good luck with whatever you choose!

BTW.... Post count doesn't mean shit... I've been around the block and back with this stuff so at least read what I've written for you and consider it plz.


Good reply Crankin'stein and Yes you have been around forever on the boards . and I know you know your shit


BTW welcome to the board

[Staffie111]

I think a good first cycle is
Test E or C weeks 1 - 12 500mg/week split in 2 shots
D-bol weeks 1 - 4 40 - 50 mgs/day split throughout day
nolv on hand and some HCG and clomid for pct.
JMO you could even drop the d-bol and still be a great cycle , I just used it for a kick start until the Test kicked in

[Led Hed]

I am 33, I could bench 270lbs when I was 20. The rest of the gains came in the next 12 years of lifting. I have gotten "compliments" about being on juice many times and thought that was awesome! I think that is why I waited as long as I have. What are "e-stats"??? I would also like to lift that much weight with single digit body fat as well. Are you serious about the natty test? You can't get it fully back again???
Anyway, I was reading the thread about Schering primo and I recieved some about 10 months ago but only 1 box.(for free) From what I read this wasn't much. So I just put it away.What would the best way be to add this to the prop cycle since I have it here anyway? I think it is 5 amps 100mgs?? It is in German 5 amp zu je 1ml. Or should I leave it out first go?
I do not mean that your test levels will never be the same. I mean your outlook on the sport, your outlook on lifting, your outlook on changing your body. Once you come to the dark side, you'll never want to train natty again.

[Crankin'steiN]

Good reply Crankin'stein and Yes you have been around forever on the boards . and I know you know your shit


BTW welcome to the board
Thanks bro. It's good to be here.

[handcontrol]

I do not mean that your test levels will never be the same. I mean your outlook on the sport, your outlook on lifting, your outlook on changing your body. Once you come to the dark side, you'll never want to train natty again.

Cool , I understand Led Hed. I am pretty green so hopefully you can bear with me through my ignorance when it comes to gear.Crank n stein, I can see you are thinker and I am very glad to have your input as well.
I run my own business and I can't afford to be down and out, I deal with enough variables that are beyond my control so I am very causous to volunterally add more to my life. I am more concered how I will feel mentally rather than physically I suppose. I am maybe a little over causous. Sounds like I will feel good. I felt fine on M1T, just a little tired. You are probably right about the long acting test, but I see it as more of a risk because of my inexperience. If the prop is just a pain in the ass(pun intended) then I will fix that issue with the next cycle, which I feel it would only make sense to try longer acting test if all goes well. I think Iron Robbi may understand where I am coming from.
Also , the goods are on the way already. Thanks everybody for the input. I am pumped. Hopefully my expectations aren't too high

[handcontrol]

Just an update, finally started prop Sunday 23g 1'' 1cc in right quad no pain for about 4 hours, then it started to hurt like a baseball hit me in the leg! Looks fine though, just feels like it should be bruised. So Tuesday, it is still pretty sore, but a small improvement, so I do the left, no pain till I did a workout in the evening 8hrs or so then it started to hurt too SH#T!. This morning it is not as sore actually! I was using 100lb dumbells so throwing those bitches on to my thighs before lifting them ..well .... sucks!! Is this typical? Actual injection does not hurt at all. Going to add M1T shortly

[jmaker]

I wouldn't even use the M1Ts. I could be wrong but I hear that shit is more liver toxic then dbol and abombs. Why not just enjoy the test. Once I made the jump from pro hormones to real gear I never looked back.

[Crankin'steiN]

M1T is pretty nasty for side effects from what I hear and I don't know why you would add that if you are on test prop already?

Yes it is typical for prop to be sore for a lot of ppl and it doesn't happen right after injection but usually hours or a day or so later.... Then becomes pretty sore.... Prop has a high amount of solvent which is usually the cause of the pain for most.... A lot of ppl get used to it after the first few shots depending on the person and the kind of prop.... If after a week it still leaves you with a lot of soreness then you may want to consider cutting it with some B12 to avoid the soreness issue

[evoke]

Just make sure you have pct on hand.