Next cycle for me been clean for 2 year

[Descimus]

Hi guy,
I was thinking of running a 6 weeker of prop at 100 mg ed and 50 mg stanozol
Going to run arimidex during and after at .5mg per day up to 25 day after last shot of prop/stan. I would include igf1 lr3 at 40mcg post workout and insulin 12ui
I would like to know your feeling about igf in canada? I mean this stuff is very fragile is it only fragile when it mixed ?
Been clean for 2 year resumed training 3 month ago dropped my bodyfat a bit
with ckd diet. I was planning to continue the diet on cycle or should i bump my food intake a bit to achieve more gain? right now i am at monday:1800 cal, thusday : 1400 cal wed: 1400 thur : 1400 friday : 3000 sat: 5600 sunday: 2800. I take glutamine 15 g p.w. and 5g before bed with a mix of arginine and leucine 5g each. and a pre workout tri-creatine/no formulas should i keep taking it?

thank guy

[Baconbits]

Can you post up your cycle history and stats?

[Redz]

cals too low to build alot of muscle.

[champcar99]

6 weeker ...what is you plan on getting out of that real small cycle..IMO waste of time and money

[dan12]

I do not think 6 weeks is long enough, and your cals are too low.

[Descimus]

ok last cycle was winstrol tab at 75 mg and equipoise 500 mg for 10 week i also did 1200 t400 dbol at 50 mg and deca 500 mg i am familiar with insulin.. i was looking to drop my bodyfat to 10 and stay to 200 for my next bulker i was looking into a small 6 weeker take a month off and then go for a bulker i want to add igf from now on at 40 mcg pw month on and one month off

[Bowlcut]

Is that a typo of 12iu of slin PWO?

[Descimus]

i am 28 year old height 5 10 i weight 205 lbs i did 5 cycles i am going to post pic when i am back home

[Descimus]

post workout 12 iu only on carbs up day right now so friday and sat

[St]

I would go with GH anyday over IGF,and slin not a big fan of it, most people get fat from it and you don't feel good on it.

[gustavo77]

Like the guys said, you need way more calories... that said a simple, test, deca, d-bol cycle will work well.... do not see the thinking behind a six week, testp/winny cycle if your goal is to gain mass.

[Descimus]

Those are 4 week ago ill take updated one tomorow. Anyone can guesstimate my bf i say 14% i wanted to drop to 10% so that when i do my bulk cycle i wouldnt do too much water retention. What should i run then to cut to 10% a low dose of test to keep my mass up whiles dieting with some clen and eca?

[Descimus]

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[gustavo77]

You have a good base, lots of potential.. Up your calories..clean calories...lots of lean beef, eggs, poultry and fish...mostly lean beef though. Eat lots of low glycemic carbs (aside from post workout): brown rice, red and sweet potatoes, oatmeal and whole grains...throw in some green veg here and there for their vit/min and fiber. Post workout drink two shakes: one with either powdered gatorate, a creatine/dextrose mix or waxy maze mixed with glutamine and creatine...total carbs 50-60g...shake number 2: 15-20 minutes later 50-70grams of whey protein...

Just keep in mind, even with gear your gains will be dictated by your diet...diet is everything, on and off cycle.

[kyle]

There is really no need to do a complicated cycle like that you would benefit from keeing it simple with 600mg test for 12 weeks maybe throw in some tren for a few weeks and up your cals. You have good size but why use slin?

[Descimus]

Thank gustavo and kyle, i have readed alot about slin and had good result in the past with it i feel like i recuperate faster from workout and i feel fuller might just be me also lol . I guess imma up my cals 500 up of maintenance to make it 3380 cals a day of clean food like u said gustavo. And start some enanthat with adex for a 10-12 week. I wanna stay clear of tren, i really have issue with my attitude on tren, i feel no empathy for nothing on that stuff it kinda scary ? Imma swap it for deca, might throw some d-bol to kickstart. 600 mg of test 400 of deca and 40 mg d-bol.
What is my safest bet? empire ltl axio northe...

1-4 spread accros the day 40 mg d-bol
1-12 600 mg enanthat every other day
1-12 nandrolone 400 mg - 500 mg
1-16 adex .5 mg eod
slin post workout 12 ui.
ill have 2g of igf-1 lr3 how could i run it.
i know i know i might not need all that for the first run after a layoff of 2 year..

300 g of prot 325g of carbs 100 g of fat per day
post workout like gustavo said two shake 15-20 apart from each other. glut and crea.
4 ltr of water a day

For the workout i am a bit lost i been reading mike mentzer book H.i.t. stewart mcrobert, poliquin german body composition for lactate. hatfield, dc training.. for now those who held the best result, are dc and poliquin german body comp. Anyone as any pointer for me :)

Thank again guy

[St]

Thank gustavo and kyle, i have readed alot about slin and had good result in the past with it i feel like i recuperate faster from workout and i feel fuller might just be me also lol . I guess imma up my cals 500 up of maintenance to make it 3380 cals a day of clean food like u said gustavo. And start some enanthat with adex for a 10-12 week. I wanna stay clear of tren, i really have issue with my attitude on tren, i feel no empathy for nothing on that stuff it kinda scary ? Imma swap it for deca, might throw some d-bol to kickstart. 600 mg of test 400 of deca and 40 mg d-bol.
What is my safest bet? empire ltl axio northe...

1-4 spread accros the day 40 mg d-bol
1-12 600 mg enanthat every other day
1-12 nandrolone 400 mg - 500 mg
1-16 adex .5 mg eod
slin post workout 12 ui.
ill have 2g of igf-1 lr3 how could i run it.
i know i know i might not need all that for the first run after a layoff of 2 year..

300 g of prot 325g of carbs 100 g of fat per day
post workout like gustavo said two shake 15-20 apart from each other. glut and crea.
4 ltr of water a day

For the workout i am a bit lost i been reading mike mentzer book H.i.t. stewart mcrobert, poliquin german body composition for lactate. hatfield, dc training.. for now those who held the best result, are dc and poliquin german body comp. Anyone as any pointer for me :)

Thank again guy

I do like hit best but that is me,as for a cycle i like tnt best and tren helps to keep most people lean.A good clean diet is best,with cardio,and a little clen,helios,or eca's.Northe*** has a great web site would try it next.

[Descimus]

how many time per week do you train how did you split it up tony? and might sound dumb but what is tnt? test n tren premix? Mind to elaborate a bit on your training if you have the time?

[St]

how many time per week do you train how did you split it up tony? and might sound dumb but what is tnt? test n tren premix? Mind to elaborate a bit on your training if you have the time?

I train 3 times a week,would like 4 times but the family life takes up lots of time,Yates training is my favorite style 45 minutes tops in the Gym.But TNT is (test e 250mg&tren e 150mg per ml)
A**** makes it you will love it no need to stack it with anything it a great combo.

[gustavo77]

Thank gustavo and kyle, i have readed alot about slin and had good result in the past with it i feel like i recuperate faster from workout and i feel fuller might just be me also lol . I guess imma up my cals 500 up of maintenance to make it 3380 cals a day of clean food like u said gustavo. And start some enanthat with adex for a 10-12 week. I wanna stay clear of tren, i really have issue with my attitude on tren, i feel no empathy for nothing on that stuff it kinda scary ? Imma swap it for deca, might throw some d-bol to kickstart. 600 mg of test 400 of deca and 40 mg d-bol.
What is my safest bet? empire ltl axio northe...

1-4 spread accros the day 40 mg d-bol
1-12 600 mg enanthat every other day
1-12 nandrolone 400 mg - 500 mg
1-16 adex .5 mg eod
slin post workout 12 ui.
ill have 2g of igf-1 lr3 how could i run it.
i know i know i might not need all that for the first run after a layoff of 2 year..

300 g of prot 325g of carbs 100 g of fat per day
post workout like gustavo said two shake 15-20 apart from each other. glut and crea.
4 ltr of water a day

For the workout i am a bit lost i been reading mike mentzer book H.i.t. stewart mcrobert, poliquin german body composition for lactate. hatfield, dc training.. for now those who held the best result, are dc and poliquin german body comp. Anyone as any pointer for me :)

Thank again guy

Only got a moment here but want to comment.. Your diet looks a lot better, if you are not gaining though, just increase your carbs.. Don;t worry bout the tren. If it does not agree with you, then don't use it. It's not really needed anyway. The cycle and doses you have here looks very good, i would suggest though running the test one week longer than the deca.

As for the IGf-1 i will comment later on that when i have more time. HIT training is the way to go IMO. Just make sure your joints are ready for the intensity. It is really easy to get injured on HIT.

[Descimus]

Ok guy that 2 year layoff as made me a wuss. I tried to do my shot last night and failed miserably.. i mixed 1cc deca 1/2 cc of prop 1cc cypio in quad.. Started having upset stomach in middle of it was able to shot only the ml of cyp then started to feel alot of pain in my leg and started to feel light headed.. So i took out the pin changed the needle swab spot and went a bit higher on the leg was only able to enter the pin half way trough felt faint upset stomach then lost cousciousness.. My wife was soo mad she tough i was joking she said i had convulsion during a good 4 sec.. I guess i got a drop in pressure or something.. Anyway imma retry tomorow.. I am using 25g 1''...

[St]

Ok guy that 2 year layoff as made me a wuss. I tried to do my shot last night and failed miserably.. i mixed 1cc deca 1/2 cc of prop 1cc cypio in quad.. Started having upset stomach in middle of it was able to shot only the ml of cyp then started to feel alot of pain in my leg and started to feel light headed.. So i took out the pin changed the needle swab spot and went a bit higher on the leg was only able to enter the pin half way trough felt faint upset stomach then lost cousciousness.. My wife was soo mad she tough i was joking she said i had convulsion during a good 4 sec.. I guess i got a drop in pressure or something.. Anyway imma retry tomorow.. I am using 25g 1''...



Don't hold your breath.So please breath when you take your shots or you will get tunnel vision.

[Descimus]

I did concentrate on breathing properly i felt the urge to lay down lol..

[gustavo77]

Just keep trying bro and really concentrate on your breathing as Tony said. Another thing that helps me is i bite down on the little plastic needle cap, when i am injecting. Maybe that's weird but i feels i reduces the tension in my hand and arm, so they do not shake and relaxes them to do what they need to do.

[St]

Just keep trying bro and really concentrate on your breathing as Tony said. Another thing that helps me is i bite down on the little plastic needle cap, when i am injecting. Maybe that's weird but i feels i reduces the tension in my hand and arm, so they do not shake and relaxes them to do what they need to do.

Haha shit Gus i do the same.lol

[gustavo77]

Haha shit Gus i do the same.lol

It definitely helps.. the thing is i have been doing this shit for three years now, most of the time i am ok but there are just those occasions where i am just a bit anxious about sticking that pin in me, especially when i hit some scar tissue in my quads...lol, man that is yucky feeling. But i bite down on that pin cap and all is good brother, all is good...lol..

[waderow]

It definitely helps.. the thing is i have been doing this shit for three years now, most of the time i am ok but there are just those occasions where i am just a bit anxious about sticking that pin in me, especially when i hit some scar tissue in my quads...lol, man that is yucky feeling. But i bite down on that pin cap and all is good brother, all is good...lol..

thats funny. I never really thought about it, but the pin cap in the mouth is a valuable tool! LOL

[gustavo77]

thats funny. I never really thought about it, but the pin cap in the mouth is a valuable tool! LOL

Brother that chick in your avatar is my fav so far. I LOVE chicks with thick/shapely legs, tiny waist...drives me nuts!

[Descimus]

Alright i am no more a pussy did other quad and glute last night ^^ did a whole 3 cc of nortech 1.5 deca and 1.5 cyp, freakin oil was drippin :( just hate it when it waste like that was one reason why i was doing side of the quad, the oil never drip out of there.. Running some russian d-bol those Akrikhin suck ballz taking 6 per day and not a bit of bloat or anything gonna bump to 10 to see if it really bunk.. anyway only been 2 week.. soo ill hold my horse a bit.

[Drifter]

To help avoid the oil from dripping back out . I usually pull the skin to the side a little bit before my injection . this way when you pull the pin back out it will cover the hole and seal it a bit .
do your shots slow and pull the pin out slow also .

good luck and welcome BACK to the dark side lol :a+

[Descimus]

[ok wanted to check out dont see much of a difference i am 10 pounds heavier gained some fat and seems to be holding some water.. anyway i dont think i am eating enough... Starting s.a. turinabol at 60mg and at my third week of 750mg of eq..