Kid commits suicide on live webcast

[gicantor]

Anyone else hear about the kid at bodybuilding.com commiting suicide on a live webcast? Trying to find out if that shit is fake or real.

[Seth]

personally I don't trust any "news" like that on forums until they show up in an article of a mainstream news site. That being said, this particular one looks pretty real. Either its a very elaborate joke, or a real suicide(which wouldn't be the first one to be live online).

[RagingRandy]

Here is the thread in question from bb.com
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112065561
This stuff literally make me ill. I found the alleged video but will not post it. There is no clear indication whether he died or not. I hope not. I hope there are enough people who care enough to help him. Even if he did not even attempt this, it is obvious he needs help. The morons over at bb.com did nothing to help.

[Big D]

Here is the thread in question from bb.com
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112065561
This stuff literally make me ill. I found the alleged video but will not post it. There is no clear indication whether he died or not. I hope not. I hope there are enough people who care enough to help him. Even if he did not even attempt this, it is obvious he needs help. The morons over at bb.com did nothing to help.

i dont want to watch the video, but what did he do to commit suicide ???

[RagingRandy]

i dont want to watch the video, but what did he do to commit suicide ???

Pills

[L3]

o another video to pleasure myself to.... j/k

apparently kids these days don't know that they'll most likeley puke the pills back up..amateurs

on a side note, apparently the ?japanese? government is cracking down on internet sites which provide people with instructiosn on how to commit suicide using common household chemicals, apparently its been a big problem over there in the past year

[420]

Dude OD'd on shitloads of Antidepressants. Taking all those drugs and shit will leave you with a crazy chemical imbalance causing suicidal feelings. Those perscription antidepressant drugs are baaaaad.

A Suicide will not be on mainstream new unless the person is a was well known to the public. People commit suicide all the time and you will never see it in the paper.

[RagingRandy]

Dude OD'd on shitloads of Antidepressants. Taking all those drugs and shit will leave you with a crazy chemical imbalance causing suicidal feelings. Those perscription antidepressant drugs are baaaaad.

A Suicide will not be on mainstream new unless the person is a was well known to the public. People commit suicide all the time and you will never see it in the paper.

True. Had a friend that worked for the TTC and she said that the policy is not to report regarding suicides so not to encourage it. Many suicides are an attention grab. She said jumpers were a common occurrence.

[waderow]

a guy killed himself on bolex a year ago or so, and there were assholes actually egging him on. I hope they are haunted for life

[Shortdave]

Wow, this reminds me of George Carlin's Life Is Worth Losing tour.

Sad and scary at the same time

[gicantor]

a guy killed himself on bolex a year ago or so, and there were assholes actually egging him on. I hope they are haunted for life

No shit? I'm a memeber there to I didn't even know.

[purelife]

so did he die or was that a hoax???

[wrought]

so did he die or was that a hoax???

Just check out the Misc section over at bb.com its all over it.... apparently its going to be on the O'Rly Factor tonight, so that should make for lots of super positive o'Rly style press for the boards.

[Mad-Bull]

Just check out the Misc section over at bb.com its all over it.... apparently its going to be on the O'Rly Factor tonight, so that should make for lots of super positive o'Rly style press for the boards.

Wow this is crazy I thought it was all going to be a hoax

[physique]

they are going to blame steroids again i bet?

wow. bb.com server is down. thats gotta be a first

[Mad-Bull]

they are going to blame steroids again i bet?

wow. bb.com server is down. thats gotta be a first

Ya wouldn't surprise me at all Physique. Either that or a wave of traffic is going to hit bodybuilding boards like never before....

[ZeOne]

Here is an article about that incident

http://mashable.com/2008/11/20/19-year-old-lifecaster-commits-suicide-on-justintv-smcb/

Really, really sad

[ZeOne]

And here is his suicide letter.


To Whom It May Concern,
I am going to leave this for whoever stumbles across my bookmarks later on.
I hate myself and I hate living. I think that if someone who knows me
reads this they will know who I am. So I will leave this unsigned. I am
an a@#hole. I have let everyone down and I feel as though I will never
change or never improve. I am in love with a girl and I know that I am
not good enough for her. I have come
to believe that my life has all been meaningless. I keep trying and I
keep failing. I have thought about and attempted suicide many times in
the past. I used to think of my failure as some mystical way of telling
me that I was really meant for something meaningful. The only thing I
dread, besides the pain, is the way my family will suffer. I do not want
my mother or father to think that it was anything they did that lead me
to kill myself. I never really had any plans of leaving a note. I
thought that I would not be able to describe why I want to do this and I
am right. There is no way to tell you or anyone else why I dread every
new day. My father had such high expectations for me and tried to give
me every opportunity to improve upon myself. I let him down. I think
that I am a major disappointment to him. I have a job but I?m always broke
and I am in college but barely, I show up to class but that?s about it.
I want my life to end. I am tired of f@#$ing up everything. I
am tired of people always telling me that they do not like me. I am
tired of trying to be decent. I hope that someone finds this post and I
hope that my parents know that I f@#$ed up not them. It is my fault I
screwed up my own life.
The hate that rages within me, rages not for those I love so dearly or
those who have crossed my path.
This hate rages full force towards me and only me.
I have long forgiven those who've hurt me, but I have not and cannot
come to terms to forgive myself for the things I have done to myself, and
the things I've done to hurt those in my life.
You have all touched my life in one way or another,
especially those whom I call family.
I cannot tell you how sorry I am for ending my life the way I did. I
hope that you can all find it in your heart to see it as way for me not
suffering anymore and that I am finally at rest with myself, for being at
rest with the guilt that constantly ate at me for so long.
Please forgive me all for taking my own life so early. I tried so hard
to fight against this strong battle. I have reached out for help so many
times, and yet I believe, I was turned away because of the things I did,
that it is a punishment I am willing to take, for I know that being who I am
has only brought myself and others pain.
I love you all and will forever live within the memories we created.
Forgive me.
Love always and forever,
As for my signature I will leave you with a quote so that if anyone
reads this they will know it's me, "Can?t feel pain if your dead? Just Saying"


Apparently copied from some girl's letter.


There is a thread about this here: http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php?t=162252


-Z-

[tex]

Ya wouldn't surprise me at all Physique. Either that or a wave of traffic is going to hit bodybuilding boards like never before.... it didnt happen on a bb board.....

[drdnj]

it didnt happen on a bb board.....

The suicide was apparently webcasted on Justin.tv

It is true...he did die. Sad

[BDH]

Wasnt Jkurz, was it???

[drdnj]

Wasnt Jkurz, was it???

Apparently he went by BB.com handle CandyJunkie

[purelife]

Let him R.I.P

[waderow]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,455945,00.html

[physique]

i have read many posts on this subject at bb.com. and the comments are unreal. even with the kid gone, people are still saying its a hoax and totally slamming the kid.

i realize the kid cried wolf many times before, but to have a mod tell this kid to go ahead and do it, is wrong. moderators are in their positions for a reason. and its not to slam other members, even if you thought it was a hoax or not. (the kid posted a suicide note for christ sakes) right there moderators should have contacted police. not hours afterwards.

this kid was crying for help all along you can see it in his posts, hell even in his suicide note.

even for all the members on that board that egged him on, and some still are slamming him. like **** dont u have a heart? grow up already. i would love to meet some of them in person and beat some reality into them. stop acting like children, this is somones life.
he was 19, with the right help he had his whole life in front of him.

[#8]

ya thats pretty twisted. i feel for his family. one of my best friends killed himself this year. Im still pretty ****ed up over it. I think about him every day.

[Mad-Bull]

it didnt happen on a bb board.....

I know that it was broad casted over Justin TV. But he posted his suicide and up to his death on bb.com

[Bowlcut]

Oh great here comes the shit storm.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7743214.stm


His family have condemned the website viewers and operators for failing to save him. Local police have launched an investigation...
The footage has since been taken down and his father is now calling for more regulation of chatrooms.

[Mad-Bull]

Oh great here comes the shit storm.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7743214.stm

Thats just the beginning Bowlcut, I'd bet on it man...

[Bowlcut]

Just another way for the government to regulate the internet. They want to regulate the net because it is a way for us to challenge their power and rule.

[tex]

100's or even 1000's of ppl watched someone take pills and lay down and it took 10 hours before a mod from the site actually traced his account and called the police. id say that is ****ing ridiculous.....and id be looking to hold someone responsible.......

[gicantor]

100's or even 1000's of ppl watched someone take pills and lay down and it took 10 hours before a mod from the site actually traced his account and called the police. id say that is ****ing ridiculous.....and id be looking to hold someone responsible.......

I disagree. Nobody needs to be held responsible. Why is everybody always looking for a damn scapegoat? The kid was going to kill himself regardless. And he got what he wanted. End of story. You cant hold other people responsible for other people's action. It not like in the movies where you can trace someones location in 10 seconds.

Also people were calling the cops but what are they gonna say........" um hi some kid I never met or have any idea where he lives is claiming he's going to kill himself."

[michealJ]

wow.....
what would make a person that upset??

[BDH]

100's or even 1000's of ppl watched someone take pills and lay down and it took 10 hours before a mod from the site actually traced his account and called the police. id say that is ****ing ridiculous.....and id be looking to hold someone responsible.......OMG! To the gallows for the Future Shop salesman that sold him the webcam...

Please.... people that take their own lives are dumbasses... those who do it with an audience are dumbasses X 10...

Why not just do cool things that COULD kill you... go ****ing skydiving, bungee jumping, etc... ****, fight a grizzly bear...

Did I mention he was a dumbass...

[liquidfire]

Seriously guys, this kid is dead. Lets not disrespect him here. My impression of this board was that the members were above that kind of bullshit. Lets keep it that way.

Is suicide the best answer? No.

Should you still respect the deceased person? Yes. Always.


The tragedy here is that this kid made MULTIPLE cries for help and in his final most desperate moment he wasn't offered kind words.. He was called a pussy and a faggot and told to stop wasting people's time and ****ing do it.

I don't think that the people who egged him on are criminally responsible, but they have blood on their hands for sure. It was NOT a mod that tracked the kid down and called the cops. It was a 17 year old kid from India. Here is his "cliff notes" on the whole situation:


Originally Posted by Bulker
Proper Cliffs

- CandyJunkie creates thread telling Misc. he'll overdose himself again on drugs live on Justin.tv
- CandyJunkie posts the amount of drugs he's going to take
- Mods don't take it seriously because of his past trolling
- People egg him on
- CandyJunkie posts a copied suicide note
- People keep egging him on
- He pops the pills and goes to sleep
- He breathes for a few hours, people think he's going to be alright and keep joking and trash talking on his JTV log.
- Some time later many people realize he was not moving.
- I find his personal details through E-detectivery, I figure out his name and number and location.
- Personal details posted on Misc. I request people to call the cops because I live in India and had no way to make International calls all by myself.
- People tell me he's a troll and nobody calls. Staberella especially is quite a huge cynic and says that he wasn't going to die on that kind of drugs, she insists nothing is going to happen and that people should just gtfo of the thread.
- I send an email to Miami Police on their official email on their website, Email not functioning!
- I call Miami Police from my dad's phone and speak to at least three cops and one person from the 911 line (whatever it is) for over 8 minutes about the situation, the people there do not take the case seriously and tell me to call the sheriff of his county, and give me the sheriff's number even after I told them I was speaking from a different country and that this was an emergency.
- I post the sheriff's number on the Misc. thread
- People tell me to quit worrying and that they're 100% sure its a loop and he's just fraudin'
-calls the Broward County Sheriff's office and speaks to them about the situation along with a couple of other people. By the time I called, it turns out 3 people had already called them about it.
- People wait for the cops to bust in on the JTV cam.
- Some people start thinking nobody called the cops, at least 5 more people call the cops, they were told the cops were on it
- 25 minutes after the first call to the cops, the cops bust in. They cover the webcam
- People speculating whether he's dead or not
- Friends post messages on his myspace worried about him, no response from him.
- His best friend posts a thread on the Misc. and informs the people that he's dead.
- Some people still think its a bluff

RIP Abraham Biggs.

[BDH]

Seriously guys, this kid is dead. Lets not disrespect him here. My impression of this board was that the members were above that kind of bullshit. Lets keep it that way.

Is suicide the best answer? No.

Should you still respect the deceased person? Yes. Always.


The tragedy here is that this kid made MULTIPLE cries for help and in his final most desperate moment he wasn't offered kind words.. He was called a pussy and a faggot and told to stop wasting people's time and ****ing do it.

I don't think that the people who egged him on are criminally responsible, but they have blood on their hands for sure. It was NOT a mod that tracked the kid down and called the cops. It was a 17 year old kid from India. Here is his "cliff notes" on the whole situation:I will never and could never "feel sorry" or respect someone who does this... it is the most cruel form of punishment you can deal to your family and friends... selfish, selfish, selfish...

Agree to disagree, but this guy was a dumbass...

We all have problems... normal people deal with them, be it properly or stupidly.... we don't all walk in front of a bus...

[liquidfire]

I will never and could never "feel sorry" or respect someone who does this... it is the most cruel form of punishment you can deal to your family and friends... selfish, selfish, selfish...

Agree to disagree, but this guy was a dumbass...

We all have problems... normal people deal with them, be it properly or stupidly.... we don't all walk in front of a bus...

I fully agree that suicide is a very selfish solution to a problem and I'm not saying you have to feel sorry for him. I'm sorry if that's what it sounded like. I do however believe that any deceased person should be given a certain amount of respect.

I don't see the actual death as the tragedy. There are tons of suicides/murders/deaths all the time.... I see all the people that could have helped him but instead egged him on in his final moments as the tragedy.

[Seth]

that kind of suicides always makes the news

[BDH]

I fully agree that suicide is a very selfish solution to a problem and I'm not saying you have to feel sorry for him. I'm sorry if that's what it sounded like. I do however believe that any deceased person should be given a certain amount of respect.

I don't see the actual death as the tragedy. There are tons of suicides/murders/deaths all the time.... I see all the people that could have helped him but instead egged him on in his final moments as the tragedy.Yeah, but dude, every day on msg boards worldwide, thousands of dummies with no friends- mostly because they're just plain weird- clamor for attention and approval... usually, when their efforts are rejected, they turn into 'that guy'... the guy that pushes peoples' buttons or starts internet wars, just for the sake of making his own life interesting...

Take for example the person I mentioned before... Jkurz...

For those of you who dont know him, he was a member of Muscle Nexus and many other boards... Elite as well...

He posted fake pics of himself, his weight fluctuated almost as much as his back story... one week he mentioned he was a whopping 240 lbs when he played football, and now he was 160 lbs and couldnt gain mass... his diet was ridiculous and he claimed to have some sort of mental issues... I dont recall the exact specifics... I purposely forgot it, as it drove me nuts...

He posted on many boards, begging for attention... he also bullshitted people so much and was so hard-headed, he became a running joke...

He is the type of person I see doing something like this... the type that starts out being 'his own person' and the kind of guy that says "just because Im different, it doesnt make me bad"...

While I agree, people like this NEVER are just a little different... they stray so far from the pack, in order to "be different", the world sees them as outcasts...

Anyway, I agree that if people who witnessed this actually believed it was happening, they should have done something... I just think the majority figured it was some stupid Jkurz, trying to elicit some sort of sympathetic "please dont do it... we love you" response...

[BDH]

I purposely forgot it, as it drove me nuts...I should have said 'it drove me almonds'...

[warlock]

I haven't read the whole thread but it seems that like in real life this guys lost credibility due to his past actions...

When he needed help no one wanted to give it.:mad:

Another case of mental illness???

Probably, but the effort to get better must always come from inside out therefore blaming someone else for his actions is at least unfair.

[AlladdinSane]

Seems like another case of the boy who cried wolf.

Shitty.

[Bowlcut]

The death of one is a tragedy. The death of a million is just a statistic.

[ZeOne]

What I am gathering from reading this thread is a big misunderstanding when it comes to suicide, in that people perceive the act of killing on self is a selfish and cowardly act when in fact suicide is rarely about ending one's life, but rather about ending one's suffering.

The majority of people who commit suicide do so because they truly feel trapped by society and circumstances. They feel worthless. It has nothing to do with selfishness. Depression is a serious illness that distorts one's perception of one's reality.

It is easy for us to judge these people or their act and affix labels to them, but let us not forget that we are not seeing the world through their eyes. The overwhelming sens of helplessness, the hopelessness, the isolation...these people do not see the light at the end of the tunnel. Heck, most of the time, they don't even see the tunnel anymore, and the only way they could come up with to put and end to this, is by taking their own life.

It is sad really that in this case, no one from Biggs entourage was able to pick up on clues and help him out on time.

[champcar99]

What I am gathering from reading this thread is a big misunderstanding when it comes to suicide, in that people perceive the act of killing on self is a selfish and cowardly act when in fact suicide is rarely about ending one's life, but rather about ending one's suffering.

The majority of people who commit suicide do so because they truly feel trapped by society and circumstances. They feel worthless. It has nothing to do with selfishness. Depression is a serious illness that distorts one's perception of one's reality.

It is easy for us to judge these people or their act and affix labels to them, but let us not forget that we are not seeing the world through their eyes. The overwhelming sens of helplessness, the hopelessness, the isolation...these people do not see the light at the end of the tunnel. Heck, most of the time, they don't even see the tunnel anymore, and the only way they could come up with to put and end to this, is by taking their own life.

It is sad really that in this case, no one from Biggs entourage was able to pick up on clues and help him out on time.

I agree...for some one to call the kid a dumbass after a suicide is the ****ing dumbass...why in the **** would you call the kid a dumbass when you know **** all about him...**** ALL..

[AlladdinSane]

I agree...for some one to call the kid a dumbass after a suicide is the ****ing dumbass...why in the **** would you call the kid a dumbass when you know **** all about him...**** ALL..

...and to call a child molester a sick **** is wrong because you know **** all about him, right?

[drdnj]

...and to call a child molester a sick **** is wrong because you know **** all about him, right?

Oh come on man....

[AlladdinSane]

Explain the fault in my reasoning. Mental illness be damned.

You're depressed and feel like killing yourself because of whatever reason (You weren't held enough as a child, your mommy drank too much, etc)? Get some help because it's wrong. Feelings my eye, use a bit of brain power at this point and realize that you're ****ing everyone else up if you do it.

You've got a weird feeling like you need to feel up some 8 year old for whatever reason (uncle Joe got a little too friendly one sunday afternoon, mommy breast fed you till you were a teenager, etc)? Get some help because it's wrong. Feelings my eye, use a bit of brain power at this point and realize that you're ****ing everyone else up if you do it.

[ZeOne]

Explain the fault in my reasoning. Mental illness be damned.

You're depressed and feel like killing yourself because of whatever reason (You weren't held enough as a child, your mommy drank too much, etc)? Get some help because it's wrong. Feelings my eye, use a bit of brain power at this point and realize that you're ****ing everyone else up if you do it.

You've got a weird feeling like you need to feel up some 8 year old for whatever reason (uncle Joe got a little too friendly one sunday afternoon, mommy breast fed you till you were a teenager, etc)? Get some help because it's wrong. Feelings my eye, use a bit of brain power at this point and realize that you're ****ing everyone else up if you do it.

AS, the slight flaw in the above logic is that you're treating mental illness as a one and single disease, when in fact it is not, it is the umbrella that groups a lot of disorders.

As humans, we tend to generalise and make abstractions because it helps us make things simpler and easier to deal with, that doesn't make us evil or bad, but that adds a layer of possible imprecision on top of a various and often complex issues.

In this case, you might be right in saying that both suffer from mental illness (heck, most of us have suffered from mental disorder at one moment or another and at various degrees) and that both made a conscious decision to act in accordance to their resolutions. But the underlying issues and sickness (regardless of origin) in both these cases you present are most of then not, totally disparate.

If you look at the state of mind of a suicidal person, you will often find a great sens of helplesness and dispair, beyond what a normal person could comprehend to the point where you are willing to take your own life to releive yourself from that perceived hoplesness. Your judgment is really impaired at this point in time due to an actual imbalance in your brain, and you do not see any effects of your own life termination beside the immense relief that it will provide.

Now if you take a look at a child molester prior to the act, he desires a child sexually, and then act upon his impulses by molesting the child. And here it can be argued that not a great deal of his psychological distress was directly involved at all in this process, and that the act was based upon impulse more than so on emotional anxiety. The molester more probably than not wasn't hampered by an impaired sens of judgment.

Does that make one wrong and one right? Well, this is where it is all relative to one culture and value system.

Even though for us living in modern times, it is very hard to comprehend, in ancient Greece, sexual relationships between men and boys were a normal part of life. If you happen to time travel back to ancient Greece and speak with a mentor about his relationship with his pupile, he will see absolutly nothing wrong with his behavior, because it was part of their culture and was a morally accepted behavior.

In today's north American society this behavior is totally unacceptable, but still, if you notice it, the crime is not the psychological impulse, but the willingness to give in to it.

As far as sucide is concerned, the line is a lot less clearer than in the pedophelia case, again depending on one's value system and one's society and accepted mores.

So in the end, as long as one doesn't treat a child molester and a suicidal person as one and the same condition or as one and the same person, it is up to one's values and moral system to dictate the perception of the said act and to judge the right from the wrong.



-Z-

[AlladdinSane]

Sweet. A well thought out argument. I like it.

And while I'll concede for the most part, I still hold to my argument (for this case specifically) that if you've attempted even once before and failed, or even threatened it before as this fella had done, there is clearly a problem, and, feeling hopeless or not, get some help (in this instance help should have been thrust upon him).

My argument for the pedophile was if he ever had a thought like that and entertained it, he should have sought help right away also, as it is, in this time and culture, wrong.


I never meant any ill towards anybody that has been touched by such a situation, but I've personally known people at the brink that knew if they let their shit go on in their head for another few weeks they'd be prime candidates for suicide so they got help in the form of counseling and meds.

[ZeOne]

I still hold to my argument (for this case specifically) that if you've attempted even once before and failed, or even threatened it before as this fella had done, there is clearly a problem, and, feeling hopeless or not, get some help (in this instance help should have been thrust upon him).


Agreed.

In fact most suicidal people do ask for help, in their own way, either by asking directly for help or by trying to get attention through various ways, like mutilation, self death threats, etc...

In this regard, the problem really lies, most often then not, within the interpretation of the request for help and the response they get which might act as a deterrent or sometime, unfortunately, as a catalyst.