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Canadian Bodybuilding
18-11-2008, 09:20 PM
The federal government, facing shrinking revenues because of a slowing economy, is going after online merchants who fail to pay taxes on the goods they sell, even though it has virtually no idea how widespread the problem might be.

Statistics Canada said yesterday it has no information on the underground economy with respect to online retailing. The most recent study conducted on Canada's grey market was made public in 1999 before online retailing exploded.

According to eBay Canada Ltd., more than 32,000 Canadians make all or a significant portion of their earnings by selling goods and services on the online auction website.

Such websites as Kijiji, Craigslist and eBay act as a clearing house where thousands of small retailers sell massive amounts of goods for cash and avoid paying either income or sales taxes.

In less than a decade, online retailing has become a significant business. More than 8.4 million Canadians bought $12.8 billion worth of goods over the Internet in 2007, according to Statistics Canada. The issue has become of keen interest to Ottawa, which is losing millions in tax revenues as a result of the underground economy online.

In February, the federal auditor-general plans to release a report on the issue entitled Ensuring Compliance.

"(The federal government) lacked the understanding of how (the underground online economy) worked and how big this economy actually was," said Alan K'necht, founder and chief executive of online consulting firm K'nechtology.

"They are realizing now that there are people making hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue through sites like eBay and Craigslist and royalties through affiliate programs."

In the meantime, the Canada Revenue Agency is turning its attention toward eBay Canada with the intention of flushing out every major seller who has not declared income as a result of their eBay business.

The site has been ordered by the Federal Court of Appeal to hand over all information needed to identify eBay "Powersellers," ranging from people who make as little as $1,000 U.S. to more than $150,00 a month in sales. All eBay transactions are reported in U.S. dollars.

The information about the sellers will be released to Ottawa this week. Canada Revenue Agency wants to collect information that will identify at least 10,000 people and detail their sales in 2004 and 2005.

The revenue agency has also told eBay it will also be looking for sales data for 2006 and 2007, adding thousands more to the number of sellers affected.

A government spokesperson said eBay sellers who wish to restate their taxes can voluntarily do so and avoid any penalties or prosecution that might accompany a formal audit of their accounts.

EBay has emailed the sellers who will have their information released as part of the investigation. A forum on eBay's website, created to discuss the implications of CRA's request, almost instantly filled with worried Powersellers and attracted more than 110 posts as of yesterday afternoon.

Ottawa Citizen

physique
18-11-2008, 09:42 PM
i collect and pay tax from my website, so these buggers should too.

Born2Juice4Ever
19-11-2008, 03:43 PM
i collect and pay tax from my website, so these buggers should too.



I am not too sure how it is that the gove is going to hit ebay or craigslist for unpaid taxes or hidden revenue.

THOSE sites for example act as vehicles or channel through merchants that sell and people that buy.

If I go on CRAIGSLIST and sell a motorcycle for 5,000.00 I ALREADY paid damn taxes on that bike...and I am making a single transaction.

NOW if I go on CRAIGSLIST and I sell 5 bikes per month (on average) that is 25,000.00 dollar, of which is NO longer pocket change, I am now running a business on the side----those people NEED to register a business and pay the ir taxes.
Craigslist or ebay per say, have NO income from those sales.
I don't know how Craigslist is funded at all, if by donations, or by the city or some private group of people....EBAY on the other hand..don't they charge a fee???


Interesting to see how this all revolves hu?


B2J

Felinecougar
19-11-2008, 05:19 PM
Yard sales are next and my 17 yr olds babysitting!

Some of the businesses who sell on ebay I agree with taxing them..but some of us do it like we yard sale junk and such..not new items, that's where I disagree.

physique
19-11-2008, 06:41 PM
I am not too sure how it is that the gove is going to hit ebay or craigslist for unpaid taxes or hidden revenue.

THOSE sites for example act as vehicles or channel through merchants that sell and people that buy.

If I go on CRAIGSLIST and sell a motorcycle for 5,000.00 I ALREADY paid damn taxes on that bike...and I am making a single transaction.

NOW if I go on CRAIGSLIST and I sell 5 bikes per month (on average) that is 25,000.00 dollar, of which is NO longer pocket change, I am now running a business on the side----those people NEED to register a business and pay the ir taxes.
Craigslist or ebay per say, have NO income from those sales.
I don't know how Craigslist is funded at all, if by donations, or by the city or some private group of people....EBAY on the other hand..don't they charge a fee???


Interesting to see how this all revolves hu?


B2J

go to the canadian website on taxes and look it up.
if u sell ANYTHING , you are suppose to charge tax on it. doesnt matter if its a used motorbike as u say, or a couch. If you dont charge tax, then to the Gov its rolled into the price, and they are still owed this amount.
they dont care if its a private sale or a business doing it.
look it up if you dont believe me.

i could care less if u sell a bike here and there, and i would think the governement probably wouldnt waste their time coming for you, but you never know.
some of these ebay sellers though are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and paying zero tax on it. this means gst, pst and personal taxs.
that isnt right and it should be looked into!!!

Born2Juice4Ever
19-11-2008, 06:54 PM
In moments of tremendous deficit and where stocks are as volatile, sure it is smart of the Gov to want to tax every penny that crosses hands.
I did not see them bothering Ebay or other selling sites in the mid 90s...or early millennium...

I agree on the fact that anybody who sells, and or trades and is capitalizing from the system should be taxed....but let's not kid ourselves here for a single seconds fellas. Where there is a loophole we will find those who work around the system--evade and such.

:D :D FelingCougar...The gov should start looking into pan handlers---I heard those who ask for money on the streets make a good couple of hundred bucks per day..tax them too!!

A friend of mine who has a really good job, also sells candles on the side and even did the Make-up Avon stuff for years, years...she paid taxes on her profits, every penny. Sure it was a cash business, but Avon made absolutely sure, that proper invoices werer produced each time.


B2J

Gettin'r'round
20-11-2008, 09:36 AM
So if you operate a biz through Ebay you are somehow different than other businesses that operate legally? They are only going after the Powersellers. It's obvious who operates a biz and who doesn't. I bet that some of these powersellers are turning over more cash than my biz does. So I have to collect + pay PST/GST/Payroll taxes/WSIB and file for income taxes anually. BUT If I go Ebay I don't??? Those Ebay sellers who are bitching are simply breaking the law and undercutting legit biz as they are not operating on a level playing field.

They did a news clip on CTV on Tuesday and they showed a Powerseller who bought and sold vintage sports jerseys. He claimed all his earnings on his taxes.

As for sales taxes I think you have to sell over a certain amount in order to collect sales taxes. It was a long time ago when I got my GST# and there is a threshold, but I'm sure it's a rather low figure.

As for a loophole collecting points on a credit card is one. I've got Aeroplan and a few CIBC cards. Phys. you should paying your suppliers with a CIBC Aerogold (personal card, not a biz card). Some of your suppliers are considered food and eligible for 1.5X bonus AP points. The card is $120 for the year but you get 15,000 AP points (12,500 points get $100 gift card). With my wife's biz, mine and personal spending we are getting ~500,000 points/year. Plus you'll use less cheques, postage and bank transactions (18c per). We are flyin down to mex next year for 125,000 points (a $2500 retail value for a few months spending, whoot!)

You are supposed to declare them but I've seen NOTHING yet about CCRA enforcement.

champcar99
20-11-2008, 11:10 AM
if i could avoid paying taxes I will...I am not into giving my money to Government at all..they can **** off...they do nothing for me...have done nothing for me..and will continuue to be a waste of tax payers money....even when i buy clothes I always say NO TAX...they can suck on my &^*&..hahaha

physique
20-11-2008, 07:23 PM
So if you operate a biz through Ebay you are somehow different than other businesses that operate legally? They are only going after the Powersellers. It's obvious who operates a biz and who doesn't. I bet that some of these powersellers are turning over more cash than my biz does. So I have to collect + pay PST/GST/Payroll taxes/WSIB and file for income taxes anually. BUT If I go Ebay I don't??? Those Ebay sellers who are bitching are simply breaking the law and undercutting legit biz as they are not operating on a level playing field.

They did a news clip on CTV on Tuesday and they showed a Powerseller who bought and sold vintage sports jerseys. He claimed all his earnings on his taxes.

As for sales taxes I think you have to sell over a certain amount in order to collect sales taxes. It was a long time ago when I got my GST# and there is a threshold, but I'm sure it's a rather low figure.

As for a loophole collecting points on a credit card is one. I've got Aeroplan and a few CIBC cards. Phys. you should paying your suppliers with a CIBC Aerogold (personal card, not a biz card). Some of your suppliers are considered food and eligible for 1.5X bonus AP points. The card is $120 for the year but you get 15,000 AP points (12,500 points get $100 gift card). With my wife's biz, mine and personal spending we are getting ~500,000 points/year. Plus you'll use less cheques, postage and bank transactions (18c per). We are flyin down to mex next year for 125,000 points (a $2500 retail value for a few months spending, whoot!)

You are supposed to declare them but I've seen NOTHING yet about CCRA enforcement.


i actually do use my cc for all store purchases. i dont have a aeroplan card, as the fee and the interest % are way too high.
my card gives points still, $1 spent is 1point.
redemable for gas cards, home depot, futureshop etc. and i can also get gift certificates from carlson travel. so basically i save the % and the fee and still am able to travel using the points.
i can also trade the points in for a mortgage payment, a loan payment, a visa payment or a rrsp payment.

i put over 100k a month in points on the card thru 3 business's. any trip i take will be free for years to come.

Dias_x
12-12-2008, 04:39 PM
35% of my paycheck is more than enough taxes paid.
Whatever i have to do not to pay other taxes over the 35% i already pay i will do it.Call it ebay,craiglist,black market...