More info on Global Labs needed!

[caltech24]

After reading through the thread in the picture forum, I was hoping to get some more input regarding the line of Global Labs products.

I am currently using Test-Stanon 300 by Global Labs (a mix of 100mg cyp, 100mg enth and 100mg prop) and haven't really noticed anything despite being on for 5 weeks. My weight has changed nominally (Plus 4lbs give or take) and my strength has remained constant.

I expressed concerns that my gear may be bunk to my supplier, but he insists that global labs is a legit UG lab and to give it more time.

I am currently pinning 600mg of the aforementioned product (1 cc Mon, 1 cc Thurs), and eat ~ 3500cals per day (A modified Paleo diet, consisting mostly of protein, fats and carbs from fruits/veggies)

Is it "normal" to have such slow gains on AAS (This is my first cycle)?

[gustavo77]

Bump up your carbs bro. You are not gonna gain much weight/mass without some starches. If you throw in some oatmeal, rice etc 3-4x per day and you are still not gaining, i would say your gear is seriously underdosed. My first cycle of 500mg of test E, i gained 18lbs and my diet could have been much better. Not too mention i had trained naturally for 6 years before i hit up any gear.

[Namelessone]

I agree with Gus on this one. Try increasing the food intake.

Your first cycle should make you explode. My first cycle was 600mg of Testoviron and Deca and I gained 40 pounds. A lot of fat with it because I was eating like an animal. I consumed probably 5000 cals per day. Grant it, that was a long time ago for me. I think I was about 19 at the time. Defiantly too young.

[BAM]

but lets not forget:

You can make gains by increasing your calories even without AAS. If he increases his calories, he will gain weight. It doesn't mean his aas is any good. He should gain water weight even if he keeps his calories the same.

[meathead]

Yea, Bams got a good point. 5 Weeks out he should see some water weight 4 sure.

[giannos]

but lets not forget:

You can make gains by increasing your calories even without AAS. If he increases his calories, he will gain weight. It doesn't mean his aas is any good. He should gain water weight even if he keeps his calories the same.


Yea, Bams got a good point. 5 Weeks out he should see some water weight 4 sure.

x3... People always say eat more.. I call B.S. on that.. unless your a seasoned vet at AAS use, usually fresh receptors and your first cycle you will gain some serious weight regardless of diet... I don't know the op"s stats but I can easily gain at 3500 calories and even at 6 weeks he should be holding at least 6+ pounds of water.. IMO, gear is bunk or underdosed...

[nisser]

Give it a few more weeks and see.

[tiramisu]

few more weeks? at week 5 he should be completely in the zone. wtf, few more weeks?
The libido changes on 600 mg were obvious to me by the end of week 2
By week 4 I was starting to worry about bloating and dipping into my adex eod.

[Namelessone]

Very good points guys. I stand corrected. He should see an easy 10 pounds of water weight if nothing else. At week 5 I'd guess more like 5 pounds or so. There should def be a noticeable change.

[caltech24]

Very good points guys. I stand corrected. He should see an easy 10 pounds of water weight if nothing else. At week 5 I'd guess more like 5 pounds or so. There should def be a noticeable change.

Well, as of last night, I was up 5.5lbs... With that being said, my weight fluctuates alot throughout the day.

Assuming that my test is bunk, and what point will I crash if I am just coming off of 4 weeks of DBOL?

For some reason I forgot to mention I was using 30mg of Dbol Weeks 1-4, and was grossly unimpressed with the results. While my weight shot up initially, it was very watery, hence my transition to the Paleo diet to reduce edema. Strengh was also a non factor, perhaps an extra 5lbs here and there.

[z83]

5.5lbs on dbols also ?

Sorry but you bought tic tac and vegetable oil

[Namelessone]

I agree, if your on 30mg dbol also then you should have gained a lot more weight and more importantly you should see a very noticeable increase in strength. When I take D-Bol I get mad pumps and strength increase. Dude, you got hosed...

Put a little lubricant around your butt hole next time, it helps with the pain...

[Born2Juice4Ever]

x3... People always say eat more.. I call B.S. on that.. unless your a seasoned vet at AAS use, usually fresh receptors and your first cycle you will gain some serious weight regardless of diet... I don't know the op"s stats but I can easily gain at 3500 calories and even at 6 weeks he should be holding at least 6+ pounds of water.. IMO, gear is bunk or underdosed...


There is a good post by Gustavo on this thread...and then you come on and you write this to contradict it?

Diet is the main factor in bodybuilding....it is as black and white as it sounds.

Take from somebody who has been juicing for nearly 10 years now..I have been through all of the ups and downs, have made tons of mistakes and have learned a lot of what I consider to be the backbone of bodybuilding: food, sleep, tearing of the muscle, and lastly the aid of gear.

B2J

[BAM]

Good juice produces some water weight even if someone only eats moderate calorie and protein intake. Of course if someone eats more, they will gain more.. but to say that taking juice on a moderate diet will gain no results is nuts.

I've gained weight on every cycle I ever did, even the ones I didn't eat well on.

(except the one bunk empire labs shite cycle).

[Born2Juice4Ever]

BAM you've edited your post roughly 5 times now---
Do you know how gear in relation to water gains and food intake works>?

More down right lame: Do you know why some guys gain water weight while running gear??? ( we won't get into what kind of gear does what for now)


What is the difference between gaining quality versus quantity?


B2j

[BAM]

Buddy isn't talking about quality gains.. he's just talking lbs and strength.

Not really into fighting with you about his, but I've made 'reasonable gains on test with lousy diets before without even trying.

Lucky for me I get sides by week 4-5 when I do test. My nuts shrink, I start to bloat if I have no aI, my nipples get sore, my face turns redish, my back breaks out and I want to screw even the ugly ones. (and I start to get jacked)

Don't know the guy that is complaining, nor have I ever used that brand of gear. All I know is that IF I did bunk test. I'd know it by week 5.

I remember when I used to be on Nexus and I complained about empire (which was garbage) and a bunch of vets there were telling me shit like that, its your diet etc. What the **** ever.. Empire sucks cock and so does anyone that ever defended that shitty gear.

and to buddy that thinks he got bunk gear:

Go try a few other brands and definitely try from a different source and then compare the results. If you find out for sure by doing other gear that this particular gear you are on is now was bunk, make sure to come back here to this board and tell B2J to take a long hard drag off the end of your pecker.

disclaimer:

I am making no claims about the quality of any brand of gear other than shitty empire. Buddy's gear might be good and in all reality he could be a tard.

[Born2Juice4Ever]

I never tried Empire and by the sound of it would never do it...:D :D


B2J

[St]

I never tried Empire and by the sound of it would never do it...:D :D


B2J

You should have did PVL prop,way better than Global they don't put sauce on the vail or smell like smoke haha..

[meathead]

BAM you've edited your post roughly 5 times now---
Do you know how gear in relation to water gains and food intake works>?

More down right lame: Do you know why some guys gain water weight while running gear??? ( we won't get into what kind of gear does what for now)


What is the difference between gaining quality versus quantity?


B2j
Bro...
Bams just making some very obvious observations here...

caltech24 should be way up in weight with a bunch of test and D-bol surging through his system. The test and dbol should be converting to estrogen and causing water retention.
I have been cycling for a long time myself and I always put on at least 10 lbs of water weight when the gear is legit or properly dosed... ( as well as acne) :(
Even if you diet is not in check you will put on weight.

week 5-6 with enth or cyp you are right in the zone and should be lovin your results.