whoopsies??

[L3]

ok so halloween right.. i dont drink but id like to have some fun, so i pick up som-E-thing that will let me have a better than average time, but i know is terrible for you yada yada yada
before i went out, i went to the gym, had a scoop of NO3Overdrive and one dose (10 caps) of some gaspari pre-workout garbage..so im assuming between 10-15 grams of creatine total
knowing that the "fun" stuff makes you very dehydrated, i made sure to drink at least 400ml every half hour after my workout and during the time after i took "fun"
unfortunately, "fun" was a bad batch, and made me have to deal with a bunch of undersidrable sides, good thing i had lots of gum
about 3-4 hrs after ingestion, i got pretty bad back and stomach cramps, i kept drinking water, but they didnt go away
finally by 10am the next day i was able to sleep...
ok heres the shitty part.. since that night ive had "lower back pumps" i guess, not pain, but a feeling of stiffness right around my spine (and kidney area).. also my pee has been definately darker (for the first day a medium orange), and in the morning full of "film" ( i can see that shit floating around coloring the water...)..and also ive been having some stomach cramps

on tuesday night i was like **** this, so i dropped my tbol cycle (3 weeks in) and started pct... the stomac cramps went away but the back stiffness is still there... also my pee has gotten lighter in color, but is never clear anymore (used to be clear)..i also stopped taking any form of creatine

im gonna go see a doctor next monday, not my family doctor, and tell them what i did

how badly do you think i ****ed myself up??

[Redz]

Those things are pretty bad for you espeically in conjunction with oral steroids. Your liver values may be high right now but should return to normal over some time. Hopefully lesson learned.

[gordi]

Try taking some Taurine. 6 to 9 grams per day can help with the back pumps... but definitely go see your doc and give him all the details. "Back Pumps" can be a sign of kidney trouble and/or of wildly elevated blood pressure. Good luck with this, hope you get well soon.

[L3]

Hopefully lesson learned.

100% on both rec drugs and orals

im not so much worried about the liver right now but more about the kidneys... im worried that i could have dehydrated myself to such an extent that there was damage done hence the colored urine

hopefully not but only a blood test will tell i guess...

[420]

I think you will be ok. I was mid cycle and went to see Armin Van Buuren in edmonton. Part E'd my face off till 7am. From my experience to reduce the after effects of super fun time, I take L-Glutamine and multi-vitamins Caffeine and Aspirin. Ive gotten shitty goodies before and it ****en sucks man. I know where your coming from...

[kloan]

Yeah that def sucks donkey nuts. I stopped all that shit.. it's almost always garbage these days, and you never know what's in it.. it's usually pretty nasty stuff.

Hope it gets better quick! It's a shame it screwed up your cycle.. but your health is def way more important than a few lbs of muscle.

[Ritch]

I`ve partied alot, was in the scene for many years myself. I did notice also that taking orals even if not on cylce like some dianabol to prevent muscle loss would have a weird effect on me. Just did not feel as good as when I didn`t take it. So I can imagine one having problems while on cycle. One thing I`d like to add here is using clen with the party goodies... I wouldn`t recommend it, each time I`ve done that, I`d take it around noon the next day, before going out again, I just didn`t feel good. I`m guessing it was blood pressure related.

A good way to reduce muslce loss I to have some MRP`s in bottles. I`d go to coat check every 4 hours or so and drink one down. That or 30 grams of BCAA every 4 hours in gatorade. The next day as well if you can`t eat down these drinks every 2-4 hours.

[shithead]

Dont do drugs mmmm'kay.

[BrownDevil]

Wow. What a roundabout way to get in a conversation about rec drug usage.

Rec drugs usage = stupidity.

'Nuff said.

[Houstonbc]

no one said it was smart...but its usually a great time

[Gettin'r'round]

and what a great time(ssss) I had. orals and e though. ouch. i'm usually shy but I still remember the time I was on test only and took e.... holy superman feeling, had a lot of fun with the girlies that night. totally different person but in a very good way. i found e helped take me out of my shell, so to speak, long after the high was gone. well worth the damage to my short term memory.

[Gib]

Orals are poison. (most) Rec drugs are poison.

Easy math there.

[Gettin'r'round]

on the latter... depends on the substance for sure. one breaks down into succinic acid and water. another formaldehyde, but wait, that one is legal.

[buffdaddy]

Keep rec drug talk off the board IMO, only looking for unwanted trouble, but thats not my call.