Cycle to get to the next weight class

[Blitz-Test]

I am sure some of you know this but I come from a family of very active people 4 sons

Oldest: Competitive BB (nothing big), Officer
2nd: MMA Fighter, Gym Rat
3rd: Me, Gym Rat, Plan to compete
4th: Gym Rat, 1 PL competition... Active in team sports.


Well, my second oldest brother competes in MMA. He fluxuates between the welterweight and middleweight however he cant seem to make welter anymore... Middleweight is easy for him because he sits at 185ish all the time... so cutting is typically less then 3lb...

But my brother wants to jump up to the lightheavy weight.. One of his biggest virtues, is he is strong and lean at high weight class... So he wants to keep that...

He has cycle experience... but nothing try to get to 20lb or so... I dont think he expects 20lb in 1 cycle however 10-15lb solid is what would be great...

What I have recommended....

1-8 Testosterone Sustanon: 180mg/eod or 90mg/ed (625mg/week)
1-8 Trenbolone Acetate: 70-110mg/eod or 35-55mg/ed (250-375mg/week)

That is what I have told him for a base, he is no opposed to using tren or frequent injections he will be using the 8 weeks as muscle building time and not really MMA training time...

I am running pretty much the same cycle at the same time but i will most likely be using drol... (dont lecture me on drol-tren if you dont like it)

However he has added in his own oral mix lemme know what you think...

1-8 Testosterone Sustanon: 180mg/eod or 90mg/ed (625mg/week)
1-8 Trenbolone Acetate: 70-110mg/eod or 35-55mg/ed (250-375mg/week)

1-25 Dianabol: 40mg/ed (days not weeks)
or
1-25 Turinabol: 40mg/ed

and

3-9 Winstrol: 50mg/ed
or
3-9 Masteron: 50mg/ed



Can someone give some input on this situation...

[Dk]

i dont have much experience with sust.

But in an 8 week cycle, the deconate that is an ester in sust wont be kicked for very long if im not mistaken, since deconate takes longer to kick in then enanthate even, with happens roughly around week 5

Why not use prop and tren ace, or prop and NPP if he only wants to run 8 weeks

And if he wants to stay lean id go with the turinabol and winny if he insists on usin the orals

edit: another thing to point out is the deconate is the major source of test in sust blend, bein at 100mg per ml of sust250

in other words for the majority of his cycle only 150mg of the 250mg he thinks hes gettin will be kicked in.

[Blitz-Test]

i dont have much experience with sust.

But in an 8 week cycle, the deconate that is an ester in sust wont be kicked for very long if im not mistaken, since deconate takes longer to kick in then enanthate even, with happens roughly around week 5

Why not use prop and tren ace, or prop and NPP if he only wants to run 8 weeks

And if he wants to stay lean id go with the turinabol and winny if he insists on usin the orals

edit: another thing to point out is the deconate is the major source of test in sust blend, bein at 100mg per ml of sust250

in other words for the majority of his cycle only 150mg of the 250mg he thinks hes gettin will be kicked in.


Yea I told him prop at first, but I still think hes leaning towards sust...

He cant use NPP, he is hoping that once he gets to the LH div hell get spotted for a certain tv show.. that tests as part of the application

[Dk]

Yea I told him prop at first, but I still think hes leaning towards sust...

He cant use NPP, he is hoping that once he gets to the LH div hell get spotted for a certain tv show.. that tests as part of the application

then he either needs to run a longer cycle, or tell him what i just told you.

and what? the show tests for NPP? why wouldnt they test for testosterone

[Blitz-Test]

then he either needs to run a longer cycle, or tell him what i just told you.

and what? the show tests for NPP? why wouldnt they test for testosterone

NPP is known to stay around for 13+ months....

[Dk]

NPP is known to stay around for 13+ months....

Tren ace is upto 5-6 months

whens he think he'll be gettin scouted

[Blitz-Test]

Tren ace is upto 5-6 months

whens he think he'll be gettin scouted

I dont know for sure, I think he has to audition in august or something and if he makes it gets tested in sept-october

[St]

Muscleshark is your man since he does lots of MMA,and i do know he said tren is bad for MMA.

[muscleshark]

Well, Thats one hell of a cycle that could potentially wreak havoc in MMA, but I think it was noted it was gonna be in between training, and/or fighting. Just keep in mind the Tren will ****in gas him out if he trains, no biggie, as long as he isn't fighting on it. I tend to keep the training light when on a cycle, if train at all.

[bigdaddydrew123]

im not a fighter but used tren a for competition with test.i could not lose weight on that combo just swapped fat for muscle,if you want to up a weight class thats the way to go.you dont need other stuff.but go with prop if its a short cycle.

[drdnj]

im not a fighter but used tren a for competition with test.i could not lose weight on that combo just swapped fat for muscle,if you want to up a weight class thats the way to go.you dont need other stuff.but go with prop if its a short cycle.

I agree with bigdaddy...my weight loss is minimal to none with Tren/prop

[The Terminator]

I agree with Prop and Tren as well. Sust is not really that good of an anabolic just because of it's unpredictability. For a 12 week cycle? Sure, works great. 8 week? Too short of a time frame in my opinion.

If your brother is logical, have him ready this thread and see our recommendations.

Matt

[Kronis]

Muscleshark is your man since he does lots of MMA,and i do know he said tren is bad for MMA.

I hear tren wrecks your cardio, which is a huge part of mma..

[Blitz-Test]

I hear tren wrecks your cardio, which is a huge part of mma..

He wont be doing much training or any fights during the time on tren...