Test tapering?

[Ritch]

If any of you go on T-nation you may know a guy called prisonner 22. He advocates using a method he refers to test tapering to end a cycle. To sum it up you don`t quit cold turkey, you begin with a statis period which can last 4-6 weeks usually taking 100mg of test. Then you drop 20 mg of test from the statis peoriod per week until you reach 20mg the last week. You can use a serm during the tapering period to assist recovery. The serm is tapered down as well.

I think it sounds solid and prisonner 22 is actually a nurse so he knows how the body works. This method is used to avoid hormonal crash and estrogen rebound. Anyone try or know someone who tried this? I left out some details but this is the summary. Obviously you could check out the complete story on t-nation.

[theboss]

old school....some will say its just wasting your test.....by tapering down to 20mg i dont think your body will say your levels are low and start producing...you are still shut down until you are off and start PCT

[theboss]

if he is a nurse and suggesting that its probably because they arent going to give things like HCG, Clomid, nolvadex to get you going again at the doc's office.....by tapering you slowly start coming off....and feeling less effect....then you are off...and slowly start producing again on your own....until you hopefully reach natural test levels again

[Ritch]

He`s actually a comptetitive bodybuilder. So he has access to all the pct goodies.. The statis period he claims the body is acutally beginning to restore it`s own levels and think he showed some links proving this. I know many will debate this. The tapering is for a assured recovery both physiologically and mentally.

[Ritch]

Being a little more specific here, Prisonner says during the 6 week statis the leydig receptors return to normal. And the research he said was that 100mg of test a week with a serm does not negatively affect the HPTA. The othe key research said that at 25mg of test per week there is no negative feedback. Just pointing out what I think are key pieces of info from the thread but really encourage anyone to read it and tell me what they think, it`s not that long.

[BAM]

I'm no nurse but I think that with UG, you never really know if it is dosed correctly so by trying to ride the edge with dosages for extended time periods, I think things could go much worse than if you simply quit your long ester, and switched to a lower dose of prop for 3 weeks.

I wouldn't bother trying it if you are somewhat of a noob and have UG gear.

[Seth]

If its the murse I'm thinking about, he's one of the most pretentious prick I've come across the bodybuilding forum.

[ironwill]

that be him......and he is supposed to be a friendly manitoban, brings a bad name to the rest of us good folks...
Those manitoba nurses are way ahead in the Roid guru department...
lol

[The Terminator]

Being a little more specific here, Prisonner says during the 6 week statis the leydig receptors return to normal. And the research he said was that 100mg of test a week with a serm does not negatively affect the HPTA. The othe key research said that at 25mg of test per week there is no negative feedback. Just pointing out what I think are key pieces of info from the thread but really encourage anyone to read it and tell me what they think, it`s not that long.

Sure, in people with a normally functioning HPTA and testosterone producing testes.

Remember that when you come off cycle, you've already shut down your HPTA as far as testosterone production goes. To get the HPTA to respond again, you have to have blood androgen levels lower than what the body used to produce.

At this rate, say you were able to produce the equivalent of 100mg of synthetic testosterone per week. You're doing a Test E cycle of 500mg/week for arguments sake, a very moderate cycle. So, say you step down 100mg Test E per week, taking 5 weeks to reduce your synthetic Test intake to 0. Since Test E has a halflife of 5 days, you're still suppressed after the 5th week and have yet to dip below natural levels. The HPTA has not given the signal yet to tell the Testes to produce Test. Week 6 comes, and you're nto able to start PCT yet, as your levels are about par for natural. Week 7 comes, and you're finally able to start a real PCT.

While someone like myself who started their PCT 2 weeks after their last shot is now 75% recovered and off PCT drug.

It's not good science in my opinion. It's like telling the body it's addicted to Nicotine or Alcohol and "cutting back". It doesn't work in this way, as one is assuming that the body knows that 400mg is less than 500mg. What the body knows is that there is more than enough and that natural production is not needed.

Matt

[muscleshark]

Matt you are 100 % bang on with this one. And Prisoner 22 attends or was attending another board that Im on and he pretty much made everybody "beleive" in the test taper, like he was spreading some new gospel. That site now makes it thier creed, and if anyone goes on there and refutes this method, well you just plain get the cold shoulder!!!And he is the most self-righteous and pretentious prick I ever came across. When the hpta senses any amount of exgenous hormones, it will remain suppressed until they are out of the system. Plain and simple. The Test taper is a stupid theory and never worked for me. Once the testosterone serum levels are built up in your system, once you stop, they automatically taper anyways, so wtf is the point of "adding" a small amount every week when its trying to thin itself out allready?

[faller]

Ya he may be controversial but it was a pleasure watching him eat and than spit Hooker out debateing that very same topic.


First time i did test was back around 1980 and thats all we used to do was taper, there was no pct. Come to think of it i've never done pct..

[The Terminator]

Matt you are 100 % bang on with this one. And Prisoner 22 attends or was attending another board that Im on and he pretty much made everybody "beleive" in the test taper, like he was spreading some new gospel. That site now makes it thier creed, and if anyone goes on there and refutes this method, well you just plain get the cold shoulder!!!And he is the most self-righteous and pretentious prick I ever came across. When the hpta senses any amount of exgenous hormones, it will remain suppressed until they are out of the system. Plain and simple. The Test taper is a stupid theory and never worked for me. Once the testosterone serum levels are built up in your system, once you stop, they automatically taper anyways, so wtf is the point of "adding" a small amount every week when its trying to thin itself out allready?

Exactly!

Hmmm...Maybe I need a saying like Ronnie Coleman...

"Everyone wants to be a guru, but no bad wants to look at no boring assed studies!"

Matt

[chan_ho_nam]

How on earth would you be able to get 20mg of test a week anyway? I wouldn't have the patience to measure our that amount in ccs.

[Big D]

just drink it :lick

[Redz]

With the pct drugs available these days and hcg there is no point to tappering down like this.

[AlbertaBeef]

I would think that anyone that has any success with tapering or any other O/T pct theory would recover without doing anything at all. There are enough people who post that they use no pct protocol and recover naturally. This opens the door to any schmuck with a theory or brotelligence to qualify themselves with a little chemical and physiology knowledge. Guys that shut down hard will always shut down hard so again the "everyone is different" phrase comes in. Eventually everyone (almost) that uses hormones continually for years will be on TRT, just my thoughts.