New Intel arhcitecture coming next month

[ZeOne]

OK guys,

I promised to keep you in touch as far as the new Intel architecture coming this fall.

So Core i7 will be shipping next month.

So it is not the time to be buying a new desktop.

Very exciting times ahead :)

[Kiem]

Good to know, i'll wait. Looking to buy a new desktop myself.

[pinhead]

Details please. What is it and what is good about it?

[Seth]

they're making my ****ing quad core obsolete... bastards

[ZeOne]

Details please. What is it and what is good about it?

I will give more details when the new architecture is released. Meanwhile I will copy & paste a blurb I posted at MN.

Suffice to say that for now, it will render anything on the market obsolete.

[ZeOne]

Here is what I posted in Juin at MN:
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If you are thinking of buying a new PC, and it is not an emergency, well, you'd be better holding off that purchase for a few more month as Intel prepares to release it's new platform based on the new Nehalem architecture.

Nehalem will instantly make current platforms obsolete because it not only uses a different pin layout (ie you need a new mobo), it also uses DDR3!

The best news thought is that Intel moved the memory controller that was previously found in the north bridge to the CPU itself, thus greatly augmenting the available memory bandwidth. It also has a new set of very exciting instructions (SSE 4.2 on top of Penryn's SSE 4.1) and a new core architecture that will allow it to perform 25%-50% faster then current Core2 processors at same speed. Also, HyperThreading is back, so your computer will be able to use 4 physical cores and 4 virtual core for a nice total of 8 CPUs seen by the OS.

The integrated memory controller will bring 3 channels of DDR per processor, will give a massive increase in readily bandwidth and most importantly give a significant reduction in memory latency that will make games, photo editing and and any type of memory intensive application much faster.

Also a new transport technology for data will replace the FSB as we currently know it. The new technology is the QuickPath interconnect. This new technology will greatly augment the bandwidth available in between cpu cores, between cpu and chipset and between cpu and the I/O hub.

By that time, we will also have new video hardware from nVidia based on the GT200 core and new hardware from AT based on the 770 core, maybe even the 800.

Also USB 3.0 is coming in that time frame/early next year with 10 times the available bandwidth of USB 2.0. In the same token SSD based hard-drives should take a nice drop in price as well.

Exciting time ahead folks...

I will try to keep you guys updated with new technological development if that is of any interest to you.

[Gettin'r'round]

I'm still waiting for the home quantum computer.

[z83]

there is review of the new intel X58 mobo with the I7 965 @ 4ghz.
Incredible memory bandwith :beer

sad, i'm out of the loop... I used to have reviewer stuff

NDA : 9PM PACIFIC TIME SUNDAY NOVEMBER 2nd, 2008

[Mr.Freeze]

Here is what I posted in Juin at MN:
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If you are thinking of buying a new PC, and it is not an emergency, well, you'd be better holding off that purchase for a few more month as Intel prepares to release it's new platform based on the new Nehalem architecture.

Nehalem will instantly make current platforms obsolete because it not only uses a different pin layout (ie you need a new mobo), it also uses DDR3!

The best news thought is that Intel moved the memory controller that was previously found in the north bridge to the CPU itself, thus greatly augmenting the available memory bandwidth. It also has a new set of very exciting instructions (SSE 4.2 on top of Penryn's SSE 4.1) and a new core architecture that will allow it to perform 25%-50% faster then current Core2 processors at same speed. Also, HyperThreading is back, so your computer will be able to use 4 physical cores and 4 virtual core for a nice total of 8 CPUs seen by the OS.

The integrated memory controller will bring 3 channels of DDR per processor, will give a massive increase in readily bandwidth and most importantly give a significant reduction in memory latency that will make games, photo editing and and any type of memory intensive application much faster.

Also a new transport technology for data will replace the FSB as we currently know it. The new technology is the QuickPath interconnect. This new technology will greatly augment the bandwidth available in between cpu cores, between cpu and chipset and between cpu and the I/O hub.

By that time, we will also have new video hardware from nVidia based on the GT200 core and new hardware from AT based on the 770 core, maybe even the 800.

Also USB 3.0 is coming in that time frame/early next year with 10 times the available bandwidth of USB 2.0. In the same token SSD based hard-drives should take a nice drop in price as well.

Exciting time ahead folks...

I will try to keep you guys updated with new technological development if that is of any interest to you.

nice

[Big D]

thanks for the info ZeOne

[420]

Sweet. I like it when technology progresses. I can't wait for the cool shit that will be on the market in 10 years.

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

Will this technology be available for laptops when it comes out. I'm in the market for a new laptop and would really like to get the most up to date technology.

I guess they will start pushing companies to also to take advantage of the 64 bit processor. I saw adobe releasing photoshop that takes advantage of the 64 bit cpu. Hopefully the other companies start to follow and phase out software written for 32 bit systems only.

[Gettin'r'round]

^ That is huge problem. read:




PROBLEM: As the ever-shrinking computer chip begins to run into fundamental physical limits, designers have begun building multiple processor "cores" onto each chip to improve performance. But writing software that can run in parallel on multiple cores is complicated and time consuming, and few programmers have the expertise to do it. As a result, most of the capacity on a multicore chip goes to waste.

Solution: Stefanus Du Toit has created software that makes it easier to translate traditional serial programs into parallel programs. He began its development as a graduate student at the University of Waterloo, in Ontario; in 2004 he cofounded RapidMind, in Waterloo, to commercialize it. The company has raised $10 million and partners with Advanced Micro Devices, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, and others.

With RapidMind's technology, programmers write software in C++ as usual; then they use a special interface to specify which parts of the program should be parallelized. The platform automatically parcels out those tasks among the cores. It builds code into the final program that manages workload, ensuring that each core is fully utilized and preventing errors such as one task's stalling while it waits for another to finish. Finally, the platform optimizes the program to run on a particular chip--say, an eight-core chip from Intel. The finished program runs more efficiently; in one example, an image-­processing application rewritten with the RapidMind platform ran 10 times as quickly on eight cores as on a single processor. --Neil Savage

[ZeOne]

Will this technology be available for laptops when it comes out. I'm in the market for a new laptop and would really like to get the most up to date technology.


No, laptops will be fitted with this new architecture around the next summer time frame.

[ZeOne]

^ That is huge problem. read:

It is not as much of a problem as the media and the press releases that are funding such projects want you to believe.

With Core i7, there is a 25% gain off the bat on single threaded applications due to the new pipeline's efficiency and lower memory latencies.

But it is true that 95% of the programmers don't know squat about multi-threading or about writing a multi-threaded application. Although what the press releases fail to mention is that most applications do not need to be multi-threaded, and in fact, will be penalized speed wise, if multi-threading is introduced into the application.

Also, and this is as important as well, rare are the coders that writes assembly code anymore, so the new compilers have to take advantage of the new instruction set, which they don't...until a few years down the road. So unless your partially writing your application in assembly, and explicitly using the new opcodes, your application will still not be optimized, even if you make it multi-threaded.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

PUSH AX,BX
POP BX


lol, it's been so long I don't write assembler. Late 90's. I actually liked it. Tons of people have problems with it though.

[ZeOne]

PUSH AX,BX
POP BX


lol, it's been so long I don't write assembler. Late 90's. I actually liked it. Tons of people have problems with it though.

LOL you cannot technically PUSH 2 registers simultaneously on the stack but, man, MP, you know Assembly?! :D

AX and BX are the old 16 bits registers, which got superseded by EAX, EBX, ECX, ... which is the 32 pmode registers. You still have AX and BX which are now the lower word of the latter.

But you know that all programs written in C/C++ and numerous other languages are in fact translated into assembly opcodes first and then compiled, and then linked.

In fact at their basis, all programs run on the computer as opcodes and registers, and assembly language is just mnemonics for these opcodes.

And yes, it is a very hard language and most people have a hard time understanding it.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I was coding assembly on the x86 back in 95-97. Often embedded it as a part of my C/C++ programs. Damn it was soooooo long ago. That's the only thing that came to mind that I could remember....lol

[pinhead]

Hey guys, what's the next technology on labtops. Is it ok to buy the Centrino 2 core 2 duo or should I wait for something coming soon?

[ZeOne]

Hey guys, what's the next technology on labtops. Is it ok to buy the Centrino 2 core 2 duo or should I wait for something coming soon?

Well, the next technology on the laptop is the Corei7, but this is just happening by next summer time. So Core2 duo is great until then.