How long until prop builds up enough in the blood stream to hit

[Dk]

Similar to enanthate taking about 4 weeks to kick in.

in your experience, how long do you expect before the prop kicks in?

gonna be startin this week hopefully :)

Wk 1-4= 70mg prop ED
Wk 1-12=300mg Enth x2 a week
Wk 1-10= 150mg Deca x2 a week

[The Terminator]

1 week. Optimal androgen levels accumulate in 1 week from prop, and rise slightly from there by the end of week 2.

Matt

[ZeOne]

You should feel the prop effects after one week (roughly 3 EOD shots)

Why are you doing prop ED? prop's half life is 2 days. Go with 150mg EOD instead.

[outshine]

I can usually tell if I'm on sometime between the first and second week. Before my second shot I usually start noticing increased libido.

[Dk]

You should feel the prop effects after one week (roughly 3 EOD shots)

Why are you doing prop ED? prop's half life is 2 days. Go with 150mg EOD instead.

could do that, actually leaned towards it. Just annoys me how i wont be gettin in the same amount each week haha.

@ EOD you get 3 shots 1 week, then 4, then 3.
I know i know its irrelevant and means absolutely nothing, i have no idea why it bugs me though. Possibly will though, probably will.

450mg,600mg,450mg,600mg compared to 490,490,490,490.

ED is a little more stable levels, but like i already said, i know EOD works fine haha. Just annoys me for some reason how everything isnt equal

[kloan]

*cough*ocd*cough*..... :D

[ZeOne]

@ EOD you get 3 shots 1 week, then 4, then 3.
I know i know its irrelevant and means absolutely nothing, i have no idea why it bugs me though.

450mg,600mg,450mg,600mg compared to 490,490,490,490.

ED is a little more stable levels, but like i already said, i know EOD works fine haha. Just annoys me for some reason how everything isnt equal

Dk, your body doesn't give a damn about weeks and 7 days, this is a human invention to establish a known time-frame and a cycle against which to function.

Your math is incorrect. If you shoot EOD, fluctuation will be minimal and your levels WILL be stable.

The cycle is then based on a two days basis. So you take 4 weeks of 7 days, so that is 28 days in total and you divide by 2. So you have 14 2-days cycle. So your dosage will be 150mg, 150mg, 150mg, etc...for 14 cycles, thus maintaining stable blood concentrations.

[Dk]

Dk, your body doesn't give a damn about weeks and 7 days, this is a human invention to establish a known time-frame and a cycle against which to function.

Your math is incorrect. If you shoot EOD, fluctuation will be minimal and your levels WILL be stable.

The cycle is then based on a two days basis. So you take 4 weeks of 7 days, so that is 28 days in total and you divide by 2. So you have 14 2-days cycle. So your dosage will be 150mg, 150mg, 150mg, etc...for 14 cycles, thus maintaining stable blood concentrations.

Haha good enough for me.

and yes i know, body doesnt care about weeks.

Like kloan said, OCD haha, i like having every organized exactly the same week by week.

But yes, im gonna go with EOD, didnt like the idea of 11 injections a week for 4 weeks anyway haha

[Kronis]

Similar to enanthate taking about 4 weeks to kick in.

in your experience, how long do you expect before the prop kicks in?

gonna be startin this week hopefully :)

Wk 1-4= 70mg prop ED
Wk 1-12=300mg Enth x2 a week
Wk 1-10= 150mg Deca x2 a week

Didn't you JUST finish a dbol/bunk T400 cycle? http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3222

And didn't you already order Test/Tbol/EQ? http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3468 Why didn't you stick with that?

You're 18 and have only been off for 3 weeks. Maybe you should just relax and take some time off. Even if your test was underdosed it still shuts you down, and it takes a few weeks for it to clear.

I know you're just asking about esters, but it looks like you've gone a little gear crazy, which is not good @ your age.

Take another month or so off, then just run another test/dbol, but with non bunk test this time; and maybe get something for that OCD :ne

[kyle]

Similar to enanthate taking about 4 weeks to kick in.

in your experience, how long do you expect before the prop kicks in?

gonna be startin this week hopefully :)

Wk 1-4= 70mg prop ED
Wk 1-12=300mg Enth x2 a week
Wk 1-10= 150mg Deca x2 a week


If you just ran a cycle a few weeks ago and your only 18 and not very serious about bodybuilding take some time off. I also started cycling when I was 18 and did 2 other cycles right after the first one. My advice take some time off so you actually get decent gains when you get back on instead of using gear as a crutch. If you do a couple cycles back to back you will need more and more gear everytime. I used tren when I was 19 on my third cycle. It worked but it probably could have worked alot better if I listened to the advice I was given, now ive been off gear over a year and have actually started to gain naturally again. Give your body a break or you may end up regreting it.

[kyle]

Similar to enanthate taking about 4 weeks to kick in.

in your experience, how long do you expect before the prop kicks in?

gonna be startin this week hopefully :)

Wk 1-4= 70mg prop ED
Wk 1-12=300mg Enth x2 a week
Wk 1-10= 150mg Deca x2 a week

Also give to prop about a week to kick in. I used 50mg ED. Flexy is right don't try to overcalculate your cycle it doesn't matter as much as you think just be consistant

[Mr Ontario]

It's worth 2 cents Captain Hollywood :)


I can feel Prop kick within about 3-4 days usually. Then again I've never used less than 100mg/ED so obviously with a higher dose of a fast-acting ester you're going to feel it quicker.

One thing I'm going to mention though.. QUIT MAKING CYCLES SO COMPLEX. I have NEVER understood why people try and make some ridiculous quasi-logic of their cycles and try and guesstimate exactly what their blood levels are going to be sitting at when it's 7:39pm on Thursday night.

Keep it simple.. Just keep things as basic as possible. If you're using fast-acting esters don't do them any less than EOD, and if you're using longer-acting esters don't do them any less that twice a week. This will be consistent enough.. It's never going to be perfect.

Blah, sorry for the rant.. Just my 2cc's for what it's worth..

[Dk]

Didn't you JUST finish a dbol/bunk T400 cycle? http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3222

And didn't you already order Test/Tbol/EQ? http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3468 Why didn't you stick with that?

You're 18 and have only been off for 3 weeks. Maybe you should just relax and take some time off. Even if your test was underdosed it still shuts you down, and it takes a few weeks for it to clear.

I know you're just asking about esters, but it looks like you've gone a little gear crazy, which is not good @ your age.

Take another month or so off, then just run another test/dbol, but with non bunk test this time; and maybe get something for that OCD :ne


If you just ran a cycle a few weeks ago and your only 18 and not very serious about bodybuilding take some time off. I also started cycling when I was 18 and did 2 other cycles right after the first one. My advice take some time off so you actually get decent gains when you get back on instead of using gear as a crutch. If you do a couple cycles back to back you will need more and more gear everytime. I used tren when I was 19 on my third cycle. It worked but it probably could have worked alot better if I listened to the advice I was given, now ive been off gear over a year and have actually started to gain naturally again. Give your body a break or you may end up regreting it.
didnt finish the bunk Test E cycle, i called it quits at 5 weeks and did a short pct.

which is also why i didnt go with the EQ/tbol/test because i didnt wanna be on for the 16 weeks recommended for EQ.

i changed it up with my rep shortly after making that thread. just addin in the 300mg deca for joints. which is why im keeping the dose moderatly low.l

My shoulder has horrible vulnerability. Really bad shoulders when lifting so i figured id see if the deca helped at all. And after this 12 weeker im Pcting for 6 weeks then off for at least 2-3 months

[tex]

i inject prop ed......i like it....it feels good.....

[nisser]

300mg deca isn't 'moderately low'.

Just wanted to say that.

[Dk]

300mg deca isn't 'moderately low'.

Just wanted to say that.

haha i know, just compared to todays standards i mean, dont know why i put it that way

[tarnow]

didnt finish the bunk Test E cycle, i called it quits at 5 weeks and did a short pct.

which is also why i didnt go with the EQ/tbol/test because i didnt wanna be on for the 16 weeks recommended for EQ.

i changed it up with my rep shortly after making that thread. just addin in the 300mg deca for joints. which is why im keeping the dose moderatly low.l

My shoulder has horrible vulnerability. Really bad shoulders when lifting so i figured id see if the deca helped at all. And after this 12 weeker im Pcting for 6 weeks then off for at least 2-3 months

Be careful. deca won't heal your shoulder problems, but just mask them. It might feel good to go heavy again while running deca, but you might be doing more damage that you'll realize when you come of it.

[muscleshark]

Wow at 18 you have no buisness at all ****in with AAS. You need to invest some time in the gym and the kitchen and learn the ways of bodybuilding, build a natural base to fall back on, and let your extremely juvanile HPTA mature properly before you start shutting it down so early in its devolpment. You can build so much muscle at your age if you actually realized and tapped into your own testosterone production and util;ized it at its full potential. The earlier you go shutting it down, the harder it is to produce enough endigenous test to keep any kind of muscle on later on in life. You keep at the rate you're going, you'll be on hrt by the time you are 30. Kids never heed the advice given to them, and thats one of the biggest reasons why AAS is given such a bad rep. Its a pity that the reps out there will sell to anyone to make a buck, and what they should be doing is educating these kids and adding some sense of proffesionalism and maturity to AAS, and maybe then it won't be looked down upon like dirty street drug. Sorry for the rant, but I'm just sick of seeing kids all jacked up when they havent even earned it by putting the time and effort into the gym and diet, so the rest of the guys who have put forth that fortitude, are just classed with the juiced up kids and get no respect for thier efforts. Sorry, but I had to get that off my chest...............

[Dk]

Wow at 18 you have no buisness at all ****in with AAS. You need to invest some time in the gym and the kitchen and learn the ways of bodybuilding, build a natural base to fall back on, and let your extremely juvanile HPTA mature properly before you start shutting it down so early in its devolpment. You can build so much muscle at your age if you actually realized and tapped into your own testosterone production and util;ized it at its full potential. The earlier you go shutting it down, the harder it is to produce enough endigenous test to keep any kind of muscle on later on in life. You keep at the rate you're going, you'll be on hrt by the time you are 30. Kids never heed the advice given to them, and thats one of the biggest reasons why AAS is given such a bad rep. Its a pity that the reps out there will sell to anyone to make a buck, and what they should be doing is educating these kids and adding some sense of proffesionalism and maturity to AAS, and maybe then it won't be looked down upon like dirty street drug. Sorry for the rant, but I'm just sick of seeing kids all jacked up when they havent even earned it by putting the time and effort into the gym and diet, so the rest of the guys who have put forth that fortitude, are just classed with the juiced up kids and get no respect for thier efforts. Sorry, but I had to get that off my chest...............

Wtf, you don'tknow me.

I see exactly where your coming from but who the hell are you to tell me what I have put into the gym, and all of a sudden assume ignorance because im barely 2 years shy of the "accepted" age to start use?

And how the hell can you blame the reps.

And to say i havent even developed a base yet solely because im 18? Im 5'9, 218lbs. I know, its not huge, but not everyone under 21 is 6'2 167lbs bro.

[muscleshark]

I don't need to know you, and that is completley besides the point I'm trying to put forth. And where did you get this myth that 20 years old is the "accepted" age to start juicing? And having a base allready to start with isnt a justifiable case either. MAybe you need to re-read my post and perhaps the second time around you might get the picture I was painting.

[Dk]

I don't need to know you, and that is completley besides the point I'm trying to put forth. And where did you get this myth that 20 years old is the "accepted" age to start juicing? And having a base allready to start with isnt a justifiable case either. MAybe you need to re-read my post and perhaps the second time around you might get the picture I was painting.

i know exactly what your sayin bro. Do i know the dangers of future production startin at a young age? Yes. Its a choice myself (and countless other bodybuilders) made.

It just makes me mad because the whole "AAS internet community" seems to think a day under 21 and your automatically to ignorant to use, maybe not on this site, but 99 percent of sites wont even acknowledge you unless your 21, and you get flamed with "WAIT TILL YOUR 21" posts.

i challenge anyone to make account bodybuilding.com, show your age as 19 or 20, and post in the AAS section, then you will see what i mean.

[The Terminator]

Why would anyone want to post on bodybuilding.com in the first place?

I think the point Muscleshark is trying to make is valid, however it is your body and your choice what to do. It's not worth introducing exogenous testosterone into a teenage/early adult body as there is already an abundance of this hormone in the body. Why ruin that, and jump to drugs? It's a personal choice that many have to make, I chose to wait till I was 26.

Most people do not finish puberty till their early 20's, and I personally recommend waiting until you're 25 before using. However, that's my opinion based on sound science, and a lot of people's experience, some who are quite prominent in the internet world, and some in the real world.

Matt

[muscleshark]

Man 18 is such an impressionable age. Good thing the internet wasn't around when I was that age, that and I happened to train at the gyms with the least amount of juicers so the influence wasn't an issue.

[Kiem]

When I was 18 I thought everyone in my Gym was natural. Took a year off, when I came back this skinny dude I knew, became a huge monster and I thought he just worked out very hard. Its not like when we were young. Now every kid in highschool talks about juicing.

[Dk]

Why would anyone want to post on bodybuilding.com in the first place?

I think the point Muscleshark is trying to make is valid, however it is your body and your choice what to do. It's not worth introducing exogenous testosterone into a teenage/early adult body as there is already an abundance of this hormone in the body. Why ruin that, and jump to drugs? It's a personal choice that many have to make, I chose to wait till I was 26.

Most people do not finish puberty till their early 20's, and I personally recommend waiting until you're 25 before using. However, that's my opinion based on sound science, and a lot of people's experience, some who are quite prominent in the internet world, and some in the real world.

Matt


Man 18 is such an impressionable age. Good thing the internet wasn't around when I was that age, that and I happened to train at the gyms with the least amount of juicers so the influence wasn't an issue.

if you guys just think i started juicing when i first heard about it, sorry, thats incorrect. Ive been studying and researching for as long as i can remember, hell, i even researched on creatine for a few months before i started taking it haha. I wouldnt be doing this if i didnt know how to use it safely and practical.

Should i have waited until my Test production slows? Yes, i know that, i should have, but ANY one of you knows, waiting 3-4 years after you know your ready mentally, isnt an easy thing to do.


When I was 18 I thought everyone in my Gym was natural. Took a year off, when I came back this skinny dude I knew, became a huge monster and I thought he just worked out very hard. Its not like when we were young. Now every kid in highschool talks about juicing.

I know, everyone of my friends wants me to "hook them up", obviously im not because that have no fking idea what they are doing, and i make sure of it. Half of them ask me what they can do orally because they want to avoid injections. :laugh

[The Terminator]

I remember doing the whole creatine research thing to, as everyone thought it was steroids at the time. :D

However, you're putting words in my mouth if you're thinking the following is true:


if you guys just think i started juicing when i first heard about it, sorry, thats incorrect. Ive been studying and researching for as long as i can remember, hell, i even researched on creatine for a few months before i started taking it haha. I wouldnt be doing this if i didnt know how to use it safely and practical.


I never said that at all. I said it's your choice what to do to your body what you want. ;)

I will say that that with all the research you have done, you should have found the reasons to not administer exogenous Test when still producing large amounts naturally. If that's something to accept, then so be it, everyone makes their own decisions.

I got married at 21. A lot of people told me not to. We've had a rough ride through a lot of it, yet a lot of good times. But, I stuck to it, knew what I and my wife were capable of, and ignored the naysayers in my life and got married. We jsut celebrated 6 years last month.

Lesson is, no matter what anyone says, it's your life, and you alone have to live with the consequences if there are any.

Matt

PS - I can't say I'm textbook in all things, I'm ending an 8 month first cycle right now. ;)

[Dk]

PS - I can't say I'm textbook in all things, I'm ending an 8 month first cycle right now. ;)

haha yah i remember reading something on that. How did it go anyway?

Are you open about it with your wife?

[The Terminator]

Very open with my wife. I won her over with all the scientific information well over a year ago, and started planning my cycle. Then, I bought everything I needed, and started my cycle on Feb 3rd. She's now come to the opinion that it should not be illegal, and that it should be legit and sold to adults. I think my arguments of why a woman can stick chemicals all over and into herself (makeup, botox, lipo, boob jobs, etc) and that be legal, versus a guy taking AAS and using it for physique enhancement is illegal and criminalized.

As well, I think after she saw the effects on me, the fact my demeanor never changed, and the only side effect was acne, she saw how blown out of proportion everything is.

Cycle went up and down. 2008 has not been a good year for me due to a lot of injuries, hence why I'm also off earlier than expected. I as going to stay on till the end of the year and then take about 4 months off, but this back/neck issue I got going on is killing me, and I know it's going to take time for me to get back into the gym.

Matt

[Dk]

Very open with my wife. I won her over with all the scientific information well over a year ago, and started planning my cycle. Then, I bought everything I needed, and started my cycle on Feb 3rd. She's now come to the opinion that it should not be illegal, and that it should be legit and sold to adults. I think my arguments of why a woman can stick chemicals all over and into herself (makeup, botox, lipo, boob jobs, etc) and that be legal, versus a guy taking AAS and using it for physique enhancement is illegal and criminalized.

As well, I think after she saw the effects on me, the fact my demeanor never changed, and the only side effect was acne, she saw how blown out of proportion everything is.

Cycle went up and down. 2008 has not been a good year for me due to a lot of injuries, hence why I'm also off earlier than expected. I as going to stay on till the end of the year and then take about 4 months off, but this back/neck issue I got going on is killing me, and I know it's going to take time for me to get back into the gym.

Matt


Yah im worried about my shoulder messing up my training and upcoming cycle, well not upcoming, started yesterday. But i have a horrible rotator cuff, there is no way around it. It will be fine for months then randomly pop up and wont let me lit for 2 weeks.

gives me a reason to really work on my lagging hamstrings, but its annoying not being able to do shoulders for half a month.

chest isnt so bad, but i can definatly feel the strain.

[The Terminator]

I just wish there was an exercise I could do right now. I could do seated leg press, leg ext, and leg curls, but I don't need any more size on my legs right now. ;)

Matt

[Dk]

I just wish there was an exercise I could do right now. I could do seated leg press, leg ext, and leg curls, but I don't need any more size on my legs right now. ;)

Matt

calves/fores/traps?

theres always something you can work on;)

[The Terminator]

Not when every exercise involves me lifting a weight, and the issue occurs from the neck to back, traps, shoulders, triceps, and forearms. ;)

According to the doctor I'm supposed to be laying down in bed, and not working or even walking my dog.

But, a brother needs to work to make money, and the dog needs to go out.

Matt