Time to Help Me...

[The Terminator]

Just posted this on another board, but want your guys' opinions as well. Some of this was in my thread from a couple of days ago, but I wanted to keep all my info in one spot.

Well, I need to come off cycle. I'm not anticipating that this nerve issue in my neck that's causing headaches, shaky arms (mostly left), nerve twitches, tingling in the left tricep, and nerve pain will go away soon, as it's been 6 weeks since it started.

So, I'm needing to come off cycle.

Here's what I've been doing:

Week 1 to 7 - 60mg Test Prop ED
Week 3 to 6 - 45mg Tren A ED
Week 7 - 60mg Tren A ED
Week 8 to 12 - 120mg Test P EOD

That takes us to now. The injury occurred at 2 days into Week 7, and I was hopeful the last few weeks that it would fix itself. Visits to a Chiro, RMT, and Doctor have not fixed it. Currently taking Tylenol 3's, cyclobenzaprine, and gabapentin to keep the pain under control.

I managed to get in one workout on Oct 3rd as I was feeling decent that day, but no cardio or other workouts since the injury occurred.

I'm going to start PCT tomorrow, 2 days after my last shot last night. I have 10000IU of HCG, and gobs of Nolva, Adex, and Clomid on hand. I'm thinking of the following for PCT:

Week 1 to 4 - 500IU HCG E3D
Weeks 1 and 2 - Nolva at 40mg/day
Weeks 3 and 4 - Nolva at 30mg/day
Weeks 5 and 6 - Nolva at 20mg/day
Weeks 1 to 6 - Clomid at 50mg/day

Now, you're probably thinking about why I'm running an extensive PCT. Well, I've been on since Feb 3rd. I ran 500mg Test E from Feb to end of May, and then ran 200mg Test E from June till the start of my new cycle. I wasn't planning to come off till the end of the year, but with this injury, I'm going to.

Now, I'm hoping to be able to get back in the gym soon, even if it's just hitting machines 3 to 4 days a week. I currently do not trust my arms to hold weight in any position that might be above my head since if it's in the wrong place and I have a nerve spasm - BAM. Dumbbell implanted in the skull, free of charge from gravity.

I'd like to say that I want to keep cutting, but I know that's going to cause a loss of lean mass, as maintenance is a smart idea during PCT as well as hard training. I'm wondering what type of diet strategies I should be running. I was running TKD until about a week ago, and then came to the realization that I would not really be able to do that during a PCT should I decide that was necessary, and it is.

Any ideas would be great. And I know, I know, I should not have stayed on that long. I had blood work done in the middle and all was fine, recent blood work showed hypothyroid (wasn't tested previously, taking 50mcg/day T4 now) and that cholesterol was high (low HDL, high LDL, taking Niacin, fish oil, and extra fiber for that one now). Other than that, I'm healthy.

I've put on an extra 30lbs of lean mass since the beginning of the whole cycle, and I've had several injuries since. This all started out as rehab from a broken wrist (3 places) and 4 months in a cast, as well as a slew of other injuries incurred in that accident.

Thanks in advance.

Matt

[big_luse]

To be completely honest bro .... I dont know if this is the best time to completely come off gear. Somewhere in lost in translation is some damaged muscle/connective /nerve tissue - thus the repair process might not be as effective if your body is in a relativley catabolic state.

Nolva is going to quash your IGF-1, your test levels arent going to be all that high and with low androgens you wont experience the benefits of increased nitrogen retention, improved neural firing, and better protein synthesis.

Just a suggestion --> maybe drop everything, and cruise on like 250mgs mgs test a week and start using HCG.

Once your on the road to recovery with respect to diagnosing and treating this injury - then blast a good PCT and clean up till next summer or whatever your plans may be.

*just a suggestion* You know you body better than me.

[Kiem]

Or maybe add GH in your PCT. It might help with healing and recovery.... will help with fatloss too.

[gustavo77]

Just posted this on another board, but want your guys' opinions as well. Some of this was in my thread from a couple of days ago, but I wanted to keep all my info in one spot.

Well, I need to come off cycle. I'm not anticipating that this nerve issue in my neck that's causing headaches, shaky arms (mostly left), nerve twitches, tingling in the left tricep, and nerve pain will go away soon, as it's been 6 weeks since it started.

So, I'm needing to come off cycle.

Here's what I've been doing:

Week 1 to 7 - 60mg Test Prop ED
Week 3 to 6 - 45mg Tren A ED
Week 7 - 60mg Tren A ED
Week 8 to 12 - 120mg Test P EOD

That takes us to now. The injury occurred at 2 days into Week 7, and I was hopeful the last few weeks that it would fix itself. Visits to a Chiro, RMT, and Doctor have not fixed it. Currently taking Tylenol 3's, cyclobenzaprine, and gabapentin to keep the pain under control.

I managed to get in one workout on Oct 3rd as I was feeling decent that day, but no cardio or other workouts since the injury occurred.

I'm going to start PCT tomorrow, 2 days after my last shot last night. I have 10000IU of HCG, and gobs of Nolva, Adex, and Clomid on hand. I'm thinking of the following for PCT:

Week 1 to 4 - 500IU HCG E3D
Weeks 1 and 2 - Nolva at 40mg/day
Weeks 3 and 4 - Nolva at 30mg/day
Weeks 5 and 6 - Nolva at 20mg/day
Weeks 1 to 6 - Clomid at 50mg/day


Matt


Couple of things here bro. IMO you are wasting SERMS by running them with HCG. LH secretion will remain limited while using HCG and the SERM will not do sh*t to help that. So X the Serms while running the HCG but leave the adex in there. Aromasin would be better but adex will work. Also i suggest a bump in HCG dosage the first two weeks of treatment. 1000-1500iu x2 the first week and 1000iu x2 the second. After you have the boys up and running you can start your serms, 3 weeks should be fine, then just three weeks of clomid or nolva, but i low-dose clomid. Clomid at a low dose is very effective and does not have a lot of sides. Sides that attributed to clomid are usually a result of taking far to much. For simplicity sake, i have the HCG dosed a 2x per week but this is what i recommend for your pct:

wk 1- 0.5mg adex ed or 25mg aroma ed, 1500iu of HCG 2x/wk, ie mon, thurs
wk 2- 0.5mg adex ed, 1000iu HCG 2x/wk
wk 3- 0.5mg adex ed, 500iu of HCG 2x per week
wk 4-6 50mg of clomid ed, adex or aromasin ed same dosage.



Nolva is going to quash your IGF-1

Another reason that i do not like nolva.

[Houstonbc]

i have done almost the exact pct gus planned for you and ive been training natty for 3 months and i feel that i have totally recovered (the boys are back to normal and functioning on all cylinders)
X2 on that post

[Ritch]

There`s alot of talk of pct strategies here, but I beleive Matt is asking for nutritional advice. First let me say Matt I feel for you in your situation and hope you get back on track asap. As you said cutting is out of the question as is gaining mass, so why not just try to maintain as much as possible. Cutting as I think we all agree is not a good idea after a cycle. To gain you must be able to put in the workouts to create the need for the extra calories, so that idea is out of the window due to the injury. Doing that would make you fat. So it leaves us with maintaining, which to bodybuilders is not the word we want to hear, but I just think you need to hear it from someone else.

I know you seem to be a high fat, low carb person and if you like that why not just slowly increase the overall calories? That is the only diet strategie I can suggest to you. Or if you feel like it make your first few meals of the day protein+carb if you`re tired of the protein+fat scenerio.

By the way which pct did you go with, just curious because in my test tapering thread you said you were nearly recovered after 2 weeks or something...

In the deadlift thread Spankmonkey recommended a therapeutic method (www.onsentherapy.com) not available in my area but you live in Bc and they had some people there if you`d want to give that a try.

[The Terminator]

There`s alot of talk of pct strategies here, but I beleive Matt is asking for nutritional advice. First let me say Matt I feel for you in your situation and hope you get back on track asap. As you said cutting is out of the question as is gaining mass, so why not just try to maintain as much as possible. Cutting as I think we all agree is not a good idea after a cycle. To gain you must be able to put in the workouts to create the need for the extra calories, so that idea is out of the window due to the injury. Doing that would make you fat. So it leaves us with maintaining, which to bodybuilders is not the word we want to hear, but I just think you need to hear it from someone else.

I know you seem to be a high fat, low carb person and if you like that why not just slowly increase the overall calories? That is the only diet strategie I can suggest to you. Or if you feel like it make your first few meals of the day protein+carb if you`re tired of the protein+fat scenerio.

I'm going to go with tapering my carbs off toward the end of the day, and go for meat and fat in the evening, with protein and carbs in the morning/early afternoon. I'm alaready out of ketosis anyway, so it makes the most sense right now.



By the way which pct did you go with, just curious because in my test tapering thread you said you were nearly recovered after 2 weeks or something...

In the deadlift thread Spankmonkey recommended a therapeutic method (www.onsentherapy.com) not available in my area but you live in Bc and they had some people there if you`d want to give that a try.

Going with the following PCT, so far am feeling fine and sex drive is all there.


Day 1 - 1000IU HCG/300mg Clomid/40mg Nolva/.25mg Arimidex
Day 2 - 667IU HCG/100mg Clomid/40mg Nolva/.25mg Arimidex

Weeks 1 and 2 after those 2 days are:

HCG - 333IU/day (till empty
Weeks 1 and 2 - Nolva at 40mg/day, Clomid at 50mg/day, Adex at .25mg/day
Weeks 3 and 4 - Nolva at 30mg/day, Clomid at 50mg/day, Adex at .25mg/day
Weeks 5 and 6 - Nolva at 20mg/day, Clomid at 50mg/EOD, Adex at .25mg/EOD

As for the other thread, it was a theoretical PCT that I was speaking of, not mine personally. I'm only 4 days into mine so far, last shot was Sunday night.

I'm holding off on any treatment right now until I get my EMG done on Monday. That should be interesting. I've had the worst headaches over the last week or two from the back and neck.

Matt