Fat Burner?

[warlock]

I have been off this stuff for a while but my bf asked me to some for him.

He tryed Lipo 6 and... nothing, I tested a pill and felt nothing as well.

It is a brand new bottle far away from expiration date.

My question is: what is your suggestion?

What product should I buy as it seems we have higher tolerance for that stuff?:beer

Thanks

[rated_rko]

xxx-lean from one of our sponsers...and the thing about lipo 6....u need the us brand not the canadian one...canadian one sucks

[trykillthis]

Strongest stuff I've ever tried is called Pure Energy. Not sure where you get it from though, I think you might need to order from the states.

[Bodybuilder1]

I've been using Ripped Freak and it's working extremely well. I'm definitely tighter and i've gained 3 pounds! My diet is the same and I don't do cardio (hate it).

Ripped Freak gives me energy like nothing else. This stuff is super strong but no crash and I feel real good on it. The intensity of my workouts has shot up drastically which is probably why i've gained muscle and dropped body fat.

I've tried everything and this stuff takes the cake.

[Praetorian]

Doing some research will save you money and effort...dont fall for the BS marketing hype that most supplement companies promise.
P


Is Ripped Freak —advertised as a "hybrid drug fat burner"—really the "most powerful bodybuilding supplement legally available in North America? To answer that question, let's first deconstruct some of the sales copy and then take a look at the ingredients. Beginning with the sales copy...
"Hybrid-drug" is a term that's been coined by a team of leading pharmaceutical and organic chemists working in the sports supplement industry. A hybrid-drug is defined as a compound derived from nature that's been organically altered or synthesized to deliver more powerful drug-like effects!"
Sounds impressive, right? Yep, but it ain't true. Never mind the fact that leading pharmaceutical and organic chemists are not working in the sports supplement industry, the term "hybrid drug" is one that is already taken.
And what about this one?...
"... the RIPPED FREAK formula also contains five newly discovered methylated derivatives of (-)-epigallocatechin-3-O-gallate (EGCG) from green tea extract."
In case you've forgotten, EGCG is an essential catechin of green tea, to which some of its thermogenic and weight loss benefits have been attributed. What Pharma Freak has neglected to mention here is that these so-called "newly discovered" EGCG derivatives are naturally occurring, and are likely present in other green tea extracts as well. Plus, there's absolutely no indication that the ECGC derivatives are superior to the parent compound for fat loss.
With that said, what's in Ripped Freak? Good question...
1) 5 methylated derivatives of EGCG:As I mentioned already, EGCG is an essential catechin of green tea. And even though EGCG is helpful for weight loss (seeJ Am Coll Nutr. 2007 Aug;26(4):389S-395S) some studies (see J Am Coll Nutr. 2007 Aug;26(4):396S-402S) have indicated that...
• More potent dosages of EGCG may lead to greater effect
• EGCG may work best when combined with other catechins and stimulants—like those found in green tea.
Unfortunately, there's no evidence to suggest these naturally occurring methylated versions of EGCGare any more effective for weight loss than the parent compound.
2) 1,3-Dimethylamylamine: This compound is also known as "methylhexaneamine." 1,3-Dimethylamylamine (DMAA), is an adrenergic amine that acts as a CNS stimulant. It was originally patented by Eli Lilly as a nasal decongestant in 1944, but largely abandoned until re-introduced as a dietary supplement (Geranamine™) by Proviant Technologies, the parent company of Ergopharm.
Although there's no current research on it, DMAA's gotten mostly rave reviews from users for its effects on mood, focus and energy. A few have reported problems with higher doses, however, so some caution is advised.
Ripped Freak is not the first weight loss product to contain DMMA. Ergolean's AMP, AMP 2 and USP's OxyElite Pro contain it. The launch of AMP garnered a fair bit of mainstream negative publicity, with one expert calling the legality of DMAA into question and saying...
"The chemical structure is similar to amphetamines and ephedrine..."
I've experimented with DMAA-containing pre-workout supplements (i.e., Nutrex's Hemo Rage), and can attest to the potency of this ingredient as a stimulant.
Oh, and one other thing; DMAA has been added to the World Anti Doping Agency 2010 prohibited list, so if you're a competitive athlete, you'll want to avoid this product.

3) 1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6(3H,7H)-dione: A very deceptive way of labeling "caffeine." Caffeine, of course, is a common, albeit relative mild thermogenic, with well-established effects (see Am J Clin Nutr. 1989 Jan;49(1):44-50, Am J Clin Nutr. 1980 May;33(5):989-97). In this formula, caffeine is one of the two allegedly engineered compounds, and is delivered in the "methyl gallate ester" format. When conferring with our scientific and technical advisor Elissa, here's what she told me...
Neither caffeine nor raspberry ketones (the other "engineered" ingredient in this formula) is a majorly impressive thermogenic, so it remains to be seen whether delivering them as methyl gallate esters improves anything. In my opinion, improving the half life and bioavailability of caffeine is more likely to get you/keep you more wired than ever, which isn't necessarily a good thing."
She also sent me this link for a patent which discusses the potential use of methyl gallate esters for improving drug bioavailability. Apparently, it's not completely clear whether this is largely based on in-vitro work and speculation, or whether there are actually drugs with pharmacokinetic data in humans that prove it actually works as claimed. Just because something looks good on paper, doesn't mean it works very well in real life.
4) Red Pepper Ester Stack: Red peppers contain capsaicin, a chemical that gives chile peppers their "heat." The theory is that capsaicin "revs" up your metabolism by creating heat, thus burning off extra calories. However, this study (Am J Physiol Regul Integr Comp Physiol. 2007 Jan;292(1):R77-85. Epub 2006 Jul 13) says it best...
"Capsaicin has been shown to be effective, yet when it is used clinically it requires a strong compliance to a certain dosage, that has not been shown to be feasible yet."
In other words, in order for capsaicin to have an effect on your metabolism, it has to be taken in doses much too high to make it practical. Delivering several variations of this compound in "ester" format may make it more effective, but there's no evidence to demonstrate this conclusively.
5) Raspberry Ketone (4-(4-hydroxyphenyl) butan-2-one): a phenolic compound derived from red raspberries, raspberry ketones have only really been shown effective in animal studies (you can view the details of the study here). You are not a mouse, and the results of animal studies do not necessarily translate over to humans.

An unpublished pilot study performed on Razberri-K (a patented form of raspberry ketones) demonstrated it enhanced post-exercise fat oxidation, although the results were apparently not large enough to be statistically significant.
Does delivering this ingredient in a "methyl gallate ester" form vastly improve the thermogenic efficiency of this ingredient?
There's no clinical evidence to confirm or deny this claim.

And there you have it... the Ripped Freak fat burner in a nutshell.
As you can see, the claims of "superior fat burning effectiveness" and "hybrid drug technology" is complete nonsense; it's marketing 101.

[Swim2J]

I have been off this stuff for a while but my bf asked me to some for him.

He tryed Lipo 6 and... nothing, I tested a pill and felt nothing as well.

It is a brand new bottle far away from expiration date.

My question is: what is your suggestion?

What product should I buy as it seems we have higher tolerance for that stuff?:beer

Thanks


Has he been taking anything else for some time? I find that even if I switch between different products without giving my body a break in between, I still have a pretty decent tolerance built up. I currently take mpower and it works well enough for me. you just have to remember that there is no such thing as a magic pill. a LOT of how he feels will have to do with sleep and diet (not to beat a dead horse or anything, but it's true). Also, what was the suggested dosage for lipo 6? Most products require that you take more than just one pill at a time. How long did he try it before he realized that it didn't work for him?

[Praetorian]

First find out what the active ingredients are...then you can determine how they will act physiologically speaking. If you have no idea then saying this works well or that works well or switch products makes absolutely no sense.
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