McCain Vs Obama

[ZeOne]

I am sure I am not the only one interested in international politics, and let's admit it, the next president of the USA will have the most impact on this planet for the next mandate than any other human being on the planet.

So post your favorite/ lest favorite clip or quote of either of the 2 candidates.

[ZeOne]

Here is a couple of videos of our friend McCain.

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Now if this man gets elected, the world is screwed



-Z-

[Seth]

can this thread be about bashing Palin too?

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[champcar99]

holy **** thats the VP nominee....mother of god...she's some ****in stupid bitch...

[Bowlcut]

It makes no difference who wins. Just get your head around that first.

[Gettin'r'round]

^^^^^^^^Word^^^^^^^^^^

Just keeping the US from collapsing will be job #1

I'm usually right-wing but McCain is too old, too much bash/nuke/bomb Iran/Pakistan etc, and has a VP who is only there to get votes.
Obama being a fresh face akin to the Kennedy's, will elevate Americans hope for the future. Hopefully this will make things better, or not.

[ZeOne]

It makes no difference who wins.

It makes no difference to who?

[Bowlcut]

It makes no difference to who?

It makes no difference which ever candidate wins.
Obama or McCain still need to have both the Senate and House of Representatives on board for any plan to work.


Top 10 Corporate PAC Contributors:

Obama:
Goldman Sachs $739,521

UBS AG $419,550

Lehman Brothers $391,774

Citigroup Inc $492,548

Morgan Stanley $341,380

Latham & Watkins $328,879

Google Inc $487,355

JPMorgan Chase & Co $475,112

Sidley Austin LLP $370,916

Skadden, Arps et al $360,409

McCain:
Merrill Lynch $349,170

Citigroup Inc $287,801

Morgan Stanley $249,377

Wachovia Corp $147,456

Goldman Sachs $220,045

Lehman Brothers $115,707

Bear Stearns $108,000

JPMorgan Chase & Co $206,392

Bank of America $133,975

Credit Suisse Group $175,503

From Centre for Responsive Politics.

You can see that both of them take money from the corporate elite. You think Obama is going to enact policies that would actually damage the bankers? Or what about the drug companies that gave him so much money?

[ZeOne]

Bowlcut, thanks for putting your reply in perspective. What you are conveying is that it does not matter since they seem both as corrupt (sleeping with big companies) one another.

But corrupt or not, these two have really two different agendas and two different governance policies, especially on foreign politics. Of course no one will fulfill all of their electoral promises and they are in the game right now to gain votes, but to say that it will not make any difference in regional and international politics on who gets elected to govern the most influential country in the world, is a bit of an understatement.

Heck, McCain is already talking about 'evil' Russia and the KGB agent Poutine, and he is not president yet. Palin is talking about invading Pakistan. War with Iran is not an option if you ask the republicans...at least Obama wants to discuss first! And this bullshit "trickle down" economy brought by Regan as a sorry excuse to pamper his execs friends and give them Tax breaks, markets deregulations...

The truth is that the next person sitting on the presidential chair of the USA will truly decide of the shape and the fate of the next 8 years to come, and I do think that either choice will lead to two different outcomes, without suggesting that one might be necesserely better than the other.

[Bowlcut]

Zeone did you watch the debate and see McCain refer to Osama's fighters in the 1980's as "Freedom Fighters" in Afghanistan?
I laughed.

[ZeOne]

Zeone did you watch the debate and see McCain refer to Osama's fighters in the 1980's as "Freedom Fighters" in Afghanistan?
I laughed.

LOL

Well, you know what they say "One man's terrorist, another's freedom fighter". There is always two sides to a conflict, but the Americans politicians want you to believe that there is only one right side...theirs...guided by the hand of the all mighty and under the pretenses of false liberty and freedom. Like my all time favorite president Bush like to suggest, you're either with them or against them. His illogical thinking and blinded eyes refuses to acknowledge any shade of gray. It is all black or white.

The sad part is that Ossama was once the ally of the USA and as they used him and supported him militarily and financially (billions of dollars went to the Afghan Moujahedeen faction in the 80s) to halt the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union. They trained the men, armed them, build camps and infrastructure. And later, hypocrites they are, the monster they created has now become a "terrorist" because they could not control him any more. So they found their new calling, blame it all on them evil Ayrabs because they wear burkas and wear moustaches.

This is what you get when you create chaos by playing God, by playing liberator that no one asked to liberate and being a nation builder. You will be hated and despised. And no, people are not jealous of your supersized beverages and freedom fries. The US are the major players in maintaining the instability in the middle east region. It is not in their best interest for there to be stability.

Here is the dangerous current US foreign politics mentality: I am an American, therefore I am good. I have the right and the obligation to spread my good values wherever and whenever I desire. You don't share my values, which are the good old Christian teachings therefore, you're not like me. And if you are not like me, the less in common the values we share are alike, the more we are different. You are an Ayrab therefore you're values are totally the opposite of mine. Since I am good and represent the good on this earth and God's messenger, and you don't, therefore you are my total opposite, that makes you the opposite of good, that makes you a bad, and evil person...That makes you a terrorist.




-Z-

[michealJ]

I get worked up over this also .... The fact is we have no say ......and I know I’m going to get bashed for this but I would much rather see Mc Cain over Obama

[BAM]

I would mush rather see Mc Cain over Obama

werd!

And then round up all the liberal nutjobs and gas them. :)

[physique]

I am sure I am not the only one interested in international politics, and let's admit it, the next president of the USA will have the most impact on this planet for the next mandate than any other human being on the planet.

So post your favorite/ lest favorite clip or quote of either of the 2 candidates.

i have to disagree with this statment bro. Read this months MD magazine and Romano really puts into perspective who runs the show in the states. Its not the president. its the ass clowns in the senate!!! and some of them have been re-elected every 2 years for the last 30 plus years!!! guys like waxman, biden, kennedy and countless others. Its these losers that make the rules, or vote them in and out.

Citizens of the states should vote every single 1 of them out for who ever is running against them, then and only then will things maybe change down south

[ZeOne]

i have to disagree with this statment bro. Read this months MD magazine and Romano really puts into perspective who runs the show in the states. Its not the president. its the ass clowns in the senate!!! and some of them have been re-elected every 2 years for the last 30 plus years!!! guys like waxman, biden, kennedy and countless others. Its these losers that make the rules, or vote them in and out.

Citizens of the states should vote every single 1 of them out for who ever is running against them, then and only then will things maybe change down south

Well, this is a very complex topic, so I will not go overboard with the explanation because it will take a few pages worth :)

First, the majority of the Senate is elected on a 6 years term and not 2. But also what is bad is that there is no limit on terms a senator can make. You are right in saying that the senate can vote on issues but ultimately, it is the president who has the final signature or final veto on any new law that congress wants to pass.

In brief, the legislature (Congress which refers to both the Senate and the House of representatives) makes the laws, the president approves or vetos them (which can be overtuned as well) then the Executive branch over which he presides executes these laws and the courts and the judiciary system interprets the laws. Now, the congress is a mix of Republicans and Democrates. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that whatever the new president *hints* or desires will translate to representatives formulating as a law and passing as a bill. In fact most of the bills are formulated this way, like the Bush sponsored Geneva convention bill on human rights and torture.

But, more importantly being a president involves much more then the legislature. It involves appointing key people to key positions and running the day to day decisions and resolutions of the most powerful country in the world. For example take the Treasury Secretary, one of the most powerful position in the cabinet. This officer and his cabinet, under the guidance of the president, have great powers that can directly affect the economy.

The president also oversees the justice dept for one, which means they affect what gets prosecuted on a federal level or not, and the president also picks supreme court justices which is of a high importance.

The president is also responsible for international politics and is the face of America to the outside world. When most of the people in foreign countries think of the USA, they think of Bush first and foremost.

So while the president is not directly involved in legislature (nor should he be), it is under his guidance that his party's representatives proposes laws and bills and decide of the legal turns on the road that the country should be taking, and for the bill to pass, his approval is required (not mentioning the overturning of the veto which is very rare). Also he is the man, the commander in chief that fights the day to day battle and appoints the key personnel that fight with him. So it is wrong to say that the president will have little or no impact on the future of his own country or the future of the planet.

The US presidential chair is still the most powerful and most coveted position on the planet, and will still be....at least in the foreseeable future.

[ZeOne]

I get worked up over this also .... The fact is we have no say ......and I know I’m going to get bashed for this but I would much rather see Mc Cain over Obama

Nah, no one should be bashed for voicing their opinion. I would have liked to hear your arguments though, for the sake of the conversation.

[physique]

I get worked up over this also .... The fact is we have no say ......and I know I’m going to get bashed for this but I would much rather see Mc Cain over Obama

i too would like to hear why?

why US citizens want a old man running their country is beyond me. hell he might not even live to see the end of his term, then you have sarah palin running the show? **** me!

i would like to see youth in charge of things. same goes for our election, at the federal, provincial and municipale level. I find too many of these old farts have ideas that are out-dated but think they will work in todays conditions.

**** i hate politics! dont even know why i am in this thread, i dont even vote. as voting for the lesser evil is a waste of time in the end anyways

[Bowlcut]

i have to disagree with this statment bro. Read this months MD magazine and Romano really puts into perspective who runs the show in the states. Its not the president. its the ass clowns in the senate!!! and some of them have been re-elected every 2 years for the last 30 plus years!!! guys like waxman, biden, kennedy and countless others. Its these losers that make the rules, or vote them in and out.

Citizens of the states should vote every single 1 of them out for who ever is running against them, then and only then will things maybe change down south

In theory there is equal say amongst the three branches, but one could argue that there has been a centralization of power in the White House beginning with FDR, but really accelerated during the TV era.
Waxman is in the house but what a goof, especially over steroids in baseball.

Probably the best senator, Chuck Hagel, is retiring.

[ZeOne]

i would like to see youth in charge of things. same goes for our election, at the federal, provincial and municipale level. I find too many of these old farts have ideas that are out-dated but think they will work in todays conditions.


Well said physique.

[Seth]

what are you talking about? Abortion is the devil's work!!! The mayor in my city reinstated the prayer at the begging of every session (not kidding) isn't that very "young" and "modern" ?

[ZeOne]

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What a classy fella!

[BAM]

Hey didn't want to get any chocolate on him.

:greet

[ZeOne]

Hey didn't want to get any chocolate on him.

:greet

If you notice closely, it seems to me that he avoided speaking with another black guy in the audience by first tapping on Obama's shoulder when the audience member stood up to speak with him, and then, gives Obama the old hand shake burn

"I'm sorry, I'm too good to shake your hand. Here, shake my wife's hand instead."

At least he didn't pull back his hand and pretend to run it through his wig :D





-Z-

[ZeOne]

here is a funny one

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[ZeOne]

and another :)

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Very smart folks some of these people that supports McCain & Palin :D

[michealJ]

Nah, no one should be bashed for voicing their opinion. I would have liked to hear your arguments though, for the sake of the conversation.


Physique Quote i too would like to hear why?

why US citizens want a old man running their country is beyond me. hell he might not even live to see the end of his term, then you have sarah palin running the show? **** me! END QUOTE

Agreed with the old man and Sarah palin comment! So in a way the people of the US and the rest of the world that believes that the US has a large effect on them are all F---ed.
However I feel Obama in no way represents me …and really I don’t want to get in to it, as this can be very controversial. Sorry

[michealJ]

here is a funny one

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There are intelligent people at the McCain rally could they not have interviewed them?

[BAM]

Funny how people go on and on and on about the muslim line of Obama but never mention his Jewish mother's line.

[michealJ]

and another :)

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Very smart folks some of these people that supports McCain & Palin :D

There are intelligent people at the McCain rally could they not have interviewed them? And I’m sure you can find the same SMRT people at the Obama rally.......Tho it is kinda funny "Do you think Obama is a Terrorist?" I for one don’t think so however not a fan of his Religious tie. In saying that I don’t mean to put all of one Religious group under the same Umbrella. I guess that door should stay closed it can be very personal and hurtful.

Originally Posted by BAM
Funny how people go on and on and on about the muslim line of Obama but never mention his Jewish mother's line.

This is true also

[michealJ]

To bad they dont have a Bill Clinton to vote for .... lol

[ZeOne]

There are intelligent people at the McCain rally could they not have interviewed them?

Of course they could have. This is only meant to show the bad side of the campaign obviously and is heavily biased towards Obama.

I am pretty sure the smart answers got edited out.

[ZeOne]

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He gets booed by his own supporters!



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Since when being a Arab has become a ****ing crime?

At least McCain forumlates a half decent response.



-Z-

[BAM]

To divide & conquer

Thats what political Parties are for.

[ZeOne]

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The beginning of the end for McCain?

McCain supporters, I would really appreciate if you guys could post clips with negatives about Obama, I cannot seem to find any. Well, maybe I am not looking hard enough :P

[ZeOne]

OK, some camaraderie for a change

Alfred Smith Memorial Dinner


First speech by McCain. Quite clever scrip writers :)

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-Z-

[ZeOne]

And then Obama

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[michealJ]

You know what .....lets have Obama in I wanna sell our oil for more money and the lumber issue needs to be cleaned up also GO OBAMA!!!!!! lets open it up !!

[Bowlcut]

You know what .....lets have Obama in I wanna sell our oil for more money and the lumber issue needs to be cleaned up also GO OBAMA!!!!!! lets open it up !!

What NAFTA does under its proportionality clause is that it prevents Canada from limiting exports of natural gas or oil to the USA in the hope of saving some for ourselves.

Without NAFTA I still fail to se how our oil would be sold at a higher price. Maybe you know?

[michealJ]

I read somthing saying that we cant sell oil for more money to the US then we sell it to our selves for ....

[Kiem]

Wasssssaaaappp 2008. The US does need change.

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[BAM]

Thats awesome!!

[ZeOne]

Palin is now furthering herself form the campaign advisors.

What a monumental gaffe for the republicans this whole presidential race was. A textbook example on how NOT to do campaigning.

I think there is very little doubt at this point in time that Obama will be the next US president.

Would you imagine that? a black president heading the most powerful nation on the planet. What a long way we have come. These are truly exciting times on the international political scene.

[BAM]

If you actually believe that the president of the united states controls anything.

Whatever is popular will always be president.

black

female

gay

makes no difference.

They are merely a face.

Democracy is the biggest scam ever.

[Kiem]

If you actually believe that the president of the united states controls anything.

Whatever is popular will always be president.

black

female

gay

makes no difference.

They are merely a face.

Democracy is the biggest scam ever.

If you know what it feels like to live in a communist country then you wouldn't be saying that. I love Canada more then my native country because it has Democracy.

[BAM]

Would you imagine that? a black president heading the most powerful nation on the planet. What a long way we have come. These are truly exciting times on the international political scene.

Actually, He's also a Jew (racially) on his mothers side. IN fact, I think he is more Jew than Black.

(not that there is anything wrong with that) :)

[Blitz-Test]

Im a little late into this thread, I know you dont make friends with politics. However, I really dont look at the canditates face or their way of wording things, I look at their experiences and policies.. I am a very conservative person, and in the end I do agree with alot of McCains policies...

For me its more or less, the one i disagree with less.

I am a Libertarian in the ways of individual and corporation, and I am a Conservative econmically, and morally...

Libertarian views and socialism dont go hand in hand...

[ZeOne]

If you actually believe that the president of the united states controls anything.

Whatever is popular will always be president.

black

female

gay

makes no difference.


We already been through that same conversation a few pages ago.

[ZeOne]

Actually, He's also a Jew (racially) on his mothers side. IN fact, I think he is more Jew than Black.

(not that there is anything wrong with that) :)

LOL, and his father is Muslim...

[ZeOne]

and in the end I do agree with alot of McCains policies...


The main issue with McCain is his campaign's staff. Idiots.

I think the man himself is a decent guy, but he has been forced to fit into something he is not, and made some bad decisions along the way.

By the way, I for my part, don't agree with most of McCain's national or (especially) international politics. This republican policy of no negotiation or diplomacy, you're either with us or against us type of mentality is what lead the country to a huge downfall. I don't see McCain's platform as being much different that the current idiot governing the country.

But then again, we are only watching this unfold as spectators, and we will only feel the repercussions of what our southern neighbors decide to act upon next.


-Z-

[BAM]

We already been through that same conversation a few pages ago.

lol, well since people still are talking about voting, I figured they still didn't get it.

[tex]

I'm an American....and my vote goes to McCain....Obama is not representitive of the majority population......

[ZeOne]

I'm an American....and my vote goes to McCain....Obama is not representitive of the majority population......

Tex, great to have an American on board!

Do tell me though, if Obama is not representative of the majority, how come he is ahead in all polls on most fronts?

I am not asking to contradict you, I am asking because I am quite curious.

[RagingRandy]

I think McCain is a victim of the anti-Bush vote. If Bush was well like and could actually show support for McCain it would be a different race.

My issue with Obama is that he is running on the platform of "Change" but there is little substance to what he has to say. I admit he speaks well. But, there is not a whole lot there when you dissect what he actually says.

[Bowlcut]

I think McCain is a victim of the anti-Bush vote. If Bush was well like and could actually show support for McCain it would be a different race.

My issue with Obama is that he is running on the platform of "Change" but there is little substance to what he has to say. I admit he speaks well. But, there is not a whole lot there when you dissect what he actually says.

I think McCain is a victim of himself and his policies, and it happens he shares the same policies as Bush. The reason Bush is not well liked is because of his actions and policies. Americans are tired of nation building, seeing their civil liberties erode, and corporations getting rich.

Basic marketing is using a process of differentiation. What does McCain advocate significantly different than his potential predecessor or Obama?
They both favor the same general foreign policy (one likes war ithe Afghanistan and the other both), public spending (McCain's "plan" to cut waste amounts to about $30 billion), but more importantly they both love bailing out banks and incompetence ($1 trillion and climbing).

Bill Clinton, right or wrong, was "popular" among most Americans when he left office, but this popularity did not translate into an instant win for Gore. Conversely Bush's negativity only becomes a McCain liability because the two are in effect, identical.

[BAM]

I think McCain is a victim of himself and his policies


I think we are all victims of Zionist Policies.

[RagingRandy]

I think we are all victims of Zionist Policies.

Come on Bam, sing with me, I know you want to......

We're marching to Zion, beautiful, beautiful Zion;
We're marching upward to Zion; the beautiful city of God

[ZeOne]

I think McCain is a victim of himself and his policies, and it happens he shares the same policies as Bush. The reason Bush is not well liked is because of his actions and policies. Americans are tired of nation building, seeing their civil liberties erode, and corporations getting rich.

Basic marketing is using a process of differentiation. What does McCain advocate significantly different than his potential predecessor or Obama?
They both favor the same general foreign policy (one likes war ithe Afghanistan and the other both), public spending (McCain's "plan" to cut waste amounts to about $30 billion), but more importantly they both love bailing out banks and incompetence ($1 trillion and climbing).

Bill Clinton, right or wrong, was "popular" among most Americans when he left office, but this popularity did not translate into an instant win for Gore. Conversely Bush's negativity only becomes a McCain liability because the two are in effect, identical.

Spot on Bowlcut, especially when to comes to the Republican Party international politics.

But I am seriously concerned about Obama's life if he does indeed become president. I think he will be the most targeted president in American history.

[shithead]

I think McCain is a victim of himself and his policies, and it happens he shares the same policies as Bush. The reason Bush is not well liked is because of his actions and policies. Americans are tired of nation building, seeing their civil liberties erode, and corporations getting rich.

Basic marketing is using a process of differentiation. What does McCain advocate significantly different than his potential predecessor or Obama?
They both favor the same general foreign policy (one likes war ithe Afghanistan and the other both), public spending (McCain's "plan" to cut waste amounts to about $30 billion), but more importantly they both love bailing out banks and incompetence ($1 trillion and climbing).

Bill Clinton, right or wrong, was "popular" among most Americans when he left office, but this popularity did not translate into an instant win for Gore. Conversely Bush's negativity only becomes a McCain liability because the two are in effect, identical.

Well spoken bro, I agree 100%.

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Tex, great to have an American on board!

Do tell me though, if Obama is not representative of the majority, how come he is ahead in all polls on most fronts?

I am not asking to contradict you, I am asking because I am quite curious.

Most American papers are left leaning and would love to see Obama in. Reality is that America is devided more racially then you'd think. Newspapers rarely poll the majority of voters, middle class white America. Sadly most minorities don't vote, and their priorities aren't what we would like to think they are. They have a bitch of a time living day to day, politics don't mean shit to them at the federal level.