View Full Version : 2nd cycle finalized and on the way.
techniqually its my first and a half cycle haha. My first was a trainwreck due to underdosed test, which im stopping 6 weeks in.
gonna start from day 1 running.
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600mg Test E/wk= 1-13
500mg EQ/Wk=1-12
40mg Tbol/ED=Days 1-25
Nolva for pct.
Well boys rip it apart now haha.
gsxr750
09-10-2008, 10:32 PM
Get rid of the EQ.
Run Test E only. For your first cycle, keep the TBOL if you want if you're not patient.
You want to see how you react to 1 compound at a time so you know where the sides/results are coming from for your future cycles.
My quarter cc.
The Terminator
09-10-2008, 10:34 PM
Easy to rip apart. Why take dbol as a booster when the other AAS isn't going to be at peak levels? Wait till week 5 to start taking the dbol, and you'll grow more, not just gain some more strength for 4 hours at a time with no other major lift in Test levels, which would help with recovery.
Yes, I know, everyone says to jump start a cycle use dbol for the first few weeks. But why? That's like hitting the nitrous on your turbocharged car at idle. It'll do a bit but not as effective as when you hit boost. Dig?
That, and 20 to 30 mg should be plenty, 40 is overboard for a second cycle. Work your way up if necessary.
EQ is not being run for long enough, most people see gains starting at week 8 to 12, so 16 weeks is the general consensus on the least amount of time to run it.
If it were me, I would do the following:
Weeks 1-16 600mg Test E/week
Weeks 1-16 500mg EQ/week
Weeks 5- 10 20 to 30mg dbol/day
Matt
Edit - I thought you said dbol, not tbol. I'd still say the same thing about placement, but not a fan of tbol, and never used it so no comments on dosage.
Matt
Easy to rip apart. Why take dbol as a booster when the other AAS isn't going to be at peak levels? Wait till week 5 to start taking the dbol, and you'll grow more, not just gain some more strength for 4 hours at a time with no other major lift in Test levels, which would help with recovery.
Yes, I know, everyone says to jump start a cycle use dbol for the first few weeks. But why? That's like hitting the nitrous on your turbocharged car at idle. It'll do a bit but not as effective as when you hit boost. Dig?
That, and 20 to 30 mg should be plenty, 40 is overboard for a second cycle. Work your way up if necessary.
EQ is not being run for long enough, most people see gains starting at week 8 to 12, so 16 weeks is the general consensus on the least amount of time to run it.
If it were me, I would do the following:
Weeks 1-16 600mg Test E/week
Weeks 1-16 500mg EQ/week
Weeks 5- 10 20 to 30mg dbol/day
Matt
Edit - I thought you said dbol, not tbol. I'd still say the same thing about placement, but not a fan of tbol, and never used it so no comments on dosage.
Matt
didnt really wanna go over 12 weeks. But if i have to.
another option is replacing EQ with deca? but then i might need to add clomid to pct eh?
Houstonbc
10-10-2008, 12:06 AM
go straight test thats all you need i forgot its pretty much your first run. its totally a waste to add other things in on your first cycle. you can gain like crazy off test alone on your first cycle test e 750mg/wk for 12wks if you eat and train properly you will see excellent gains. No point in running multiple drugs until you have to bro.
heres a thought.
Drop the tbol and replace it with a kickstart of 4 weeks of test prop?
still debating the EQ, i know i dont need it, but its tempting
WORLD
10-10-2008, 12:23 AM
Just use the test. I had under dosed test my first cycle and I'm planning my second one now. I haven't been able to decide whether to add in D-bol or not for the second, or just straight test. I figure, if you still haven't had some good test, then you still haven't experienced what effects your receiving from it.
Just use the test. I had under dosed test my first cycle and I'm planning my second one now. I haven't been able to decide whether to add in D-bol or not for the second, or just straight test. I figure, if you still haven't had some good test, then you still haven't experienced what effects your receiving from it.
The EQ wont kick in for like a month or so after the test is already in full effect though anyway willl it not?
jmaker
10-10-2008, 12:38 AM
If your even thinking about Deca then do a ton of research. I've heard its one of the harder roids to come back off of. This shit will shut you down hard. I had contemplated doing it as well and I'm glad I didn't. Go with what was suggested.. EQ for 16 weeks.
which test are you buying ? their 250mg/ml or T400 ?
an other vote for 16w cycle :beer
If your even thinking about Deca then do a ton of research. I've heard its one of the harder roids to come back off of. This shit will shut you down hard. I had contemplated doing it as well and I'm glad I didn't. Go with what was suggested.. EQ for 16 weeks.
Oh i know all this, thats why its not in my cycle.
Shuts ya down hard and also has a slim chance of re-esterfying itself down the road.
and yah, fk it, 16 weeks it is.
Expensive :( haha
which test are you buying ? their 250mg/ml or T400 ?
an other vote for 16w cycle :beer
250, never tried EO so ill steer clear of the 400
at least i know i can handle oil, after injecting nothing BUT oil for the last 6 weeks haha
Rhinobolt10
10-10-2008, 01:11 AM
hey man, i did test and eq for my first cycle, only 12 weeks and i liked it.
Looking back I would have and should have gone to 16 weeks, but it's too damn hard. Deca is deca, and nobody wants to screw around with deca dick. Eq takes a long time to kick in. Masteron E and Primo are pretty expensive and are more for cutting. I remember I wanted to do a nice big cycle, make it worth it, then never touch the stuff again. So I understand, I think, why you want to add other compounds.
The cycle you have laid out is good, But straight test is still friggin awesome. But if you go with some eq it's not like you're wasting the cycle or anything either. It's not an ideal first cycle, but that's more if you plan on doing aas regularily anyways.
So, You've got some really good advice from the thread, I say just go with the gut, take it easy on orals, and have a fun time man.
But that's just me, and I might be full of shit
muscleshark
10-10-2008, 01:52 AM
If your even thinking about Deca then do a ton of research. I've heard its one of the harder roids to come back off of. This shit will shut you down hard. I had contemplated doing it as well and I'm glad I didn't. Go with what was suggested.. EQ for 16 weeks.
Why is everyone so afraid of Deca? Its a mild compound, keep your test dosage higher than the deca and you will have no problems with deca dick at all. Run your test out a few weeks longer then your last shot of deca always. Never run deca alone. Know your compounds and you will find deca to be one of the best 'roids out there.
Why is everyone so afraid of Deca? Its a mild compound, keep your test dosage higher than the deca and you will have no problems with deca dick at all. Run your test out a few weeks longer then your last shot of deca always. Never run deca alone. Know your compounds and you will find deca to be one of the best 'roids out there.
i know all about that, i just dont wanna it this early with such little experience cycling because its so hard of a shutdown
Your best choice is probably Test E by itself like several other people have mentioned. My first cycle was 400mg of Test E and I gained 25lbs or so no problem. Second Cycle was 600mg Test E and 500mg Eq. My gains were noting compared to the first cycle, maybe 5-10lbs. You should just see how you react to the test first. If you have your mind dead set on using more then one compound your going to anyways but stick with Eq not deca.
250, never tried EO so ill steer clear of the 400
at least i know i can handle oil, after injecting nothing BUT oil for the last 6 weeks haha
"bunk" xxx T400 is EO...
"bunk" xxxT400 is EO...
sh*t really? Didn't know that haha, all my source has it listed as is Test E 400mg, nothing about EO.
gustavo77
10-10-2008, 09:35 PM
sh*t really? Didn't know that haha, all my source has it listed as is Test E 400mg, nothing about EO.
Ethyl Oleate (EO) is an oil carrier for the hormone, a lot of labs use it.
Ethyl Oleate (EO) is an oil carrier for the hormone, a lot of labs use it.
i knwo that, just didnt know this stuff in specific contained EO
muscleshark
11-10-2008, 01:29 PM
i know all about that, i just dont wanna it this early with such little experience cycling because its so hard of a shutdown
Dude, did you not read what I posted? It will NOT shut you down if you run your test higher. You will prolly respond well off deca even at a low dose like 300 mgs a week. Nandrolone decanoate is a very mild compound, and all the horror stories you heard about deca dick, are from rookies who ran it alone, and didnt know what they were doing in the first place. Tren is a hard shut down, not deca
Dude, did you not read what I posted? It will NOT shut you down if you run your test higher. You will prolly respond well off deca even at a low dose like 300 mgs a week. Nandrolone decanoate is a very mild compound, and all the horror stories you heard about deca dick, are from rookies who ran it alone, and didnt know what they were doing in the first place. Tren is a hard shut down, not deca
Thats the first iv heard of that
Will nolva be good enough for pct then? Because everyone ive talked to has said nolva and clomid should be added in
maybe ill go 600 T 400 D
think i might drop the tbol and EQ.
replace tbol with prop and replace Eq with deca, obviously at a lower dose though
gustavo77
11-10-2008, 07:36 PM
Dude, did you not read what I posted? It will NOT shut you down if you run your test higher. You will prolly respond well off deca even at a low dose like 300 mgs a week. Nandrolone decanoate is a very mild compound, and all the horror stories you heard about deca dick, are from rookies who ran it alone, and didnt know what they were doing in the first place. Tren is a hard shut down, not deca
Dude any type of gear will shut down normal test production to one degree or another. Taking synthetic test will not prevent that. That is a fact. The key is supplementing with test to replace your natural test that is no longer being produce. The only thing that will aid in keeping the testes producing testosterone on cycle is HCG. IMO as long as one supplements with enough test they will have no libido issues while running deca.
Hows this look.
Test400(enanthate)= 0.8CC x2/wk Aka 640mg a week [weeks 1-12]
Test100(Propianate)= 0.7CC ED/ Aka 490mg a week [Weeks 1-4]
Deca300= 0.5CC x2/wk AKA 300mg a week [Weeks 1-10]
Arimidex throughout
Nolvadex for pct
deca dose to low?
obviously that first 4 weeks is a bit overkill on test, but i can just consider it a front load haha, didnt know how else to work it out.
Help with that will be appreciated.
wait a second.....if you're soooo worried about recovery...then why not use NPP?! thats what i am runnin next cycle.....test p and npp.......8 weeks.....ill pin ed....
if you run the deca for 10 weeks then you are really only getting like 4 good weeks out of it......and then its in your system for 4 weeks after that......not worth it unless you gonna run your test 4 weeks longer....or maybe do a "kickstop" and run prop again the last 2 weeks while you are waiting for the deca to clear......or you could just run npp and not worry about all that......sorry...that is a big jumble of shit........comprende?
if you run the deca for 10 weeks then you are really only getting like 4 good weeks out of it......and then its in your system for 4 weeks after that......not worth it unless you gonna run your test 4 weeks longer....or maybe do a "kickstop" and run prop again the last 2 weeks while you are waiting for the deca to clear......or you could just run npp and not worry about all that......sorry...that is a big jumble of shit........comprende?
haha i know its more of a personal thing and i need to get over it.
but pinning ED for 3 months is a little over the top for me.
ill consider it though
gustavo77
11-10-2008, 10:49 PM
haha i know its more of a personal thing and i need to get over it.
but pinning ED for 3 months is a little over the top for me.
ill consider it though
You can pin prop/npp eod.
Houstonbc
12-10-2008, 01:35 AM
holy shit man i thought this was "2nd cycle finalized and on the way" haha
holy shit man i thought this was "2nd cycle finalized and on the way" haha
i love mapping out cycles haha, ive had about 10 diferent ones written down.
told my source ill have it finalized by monday, so its crunch time
gsxr750
12-10-2008, 05:57 PM
No need to overcomplicate things... it's technically still your first cycle...
No need to overcomplicate things... it's technically still your first cycle...
this test im on now still has test in it, i know that much, its just unclear of how much test.
since ive upped my dose ive had a bit more ance and hair growth. But istill have no idea how much exactly im injecting
Houstonbc
13-10-2008, 02:18 AM
just get a bunch of t400 and saee how you respond to the test then try all the other stuff
just get a bunch of t400 and saee how you respond to the test then try all the other stuff
got some t400 and some t100 prop.
I know its not necessary, but my stubborness took over, im gonna run a low dose (300mg) of deca alongside the test.
I know i know. haha
also running arimidex BTW
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