Creatine Mono

[slick rick]

I am just wondering what brands are good for Creatine Mono. I stocked up a while ago on Prolab but I didn't get much out of it, other than slight nausea.

I did get good results off some of the BSN product in the past but it is pricey. I am just looking for a good Mono product.

Any input would be appreciated.

[Amoral]

If you're goin for Creatine Monohydrate, maybe try again with some dextrose for uptake. PWO shake works good for this - 5-10g w/ 40g prote and 80g carbs.

If you're willing to try something new, you could look into Kre Alkalyn and Creatine Ethyl Ester. I haven't tried them personally, but have heard good reviews. Most come in caps, so they might be relatively expensive per portion, but apparently they work alot better for strength and endurance gains.

[slick rick]

Yeah I usually take it with Welchs grapejuice (not from concentrate ) which makes use of the dextrose. Just looking for a different brand of Mono.

[Amoral]

Yeah honestly the Prolab sucked for me - just stopped using it a week ago. Gained about 10lbs, but all water. Lookin pretty bloated. Tried the Ultimate Nutrition Cre before, but same thing. So stay away from that one - sorry I can't help out more.

[Ritch]

Well they all worked good for me. Pro lab, Ultimate Nutrition, as they all come from the same place. When people talk about water retention, I often wonder about their diets. The guilty one`s I`ve talked to never knew how many cals they eat, what high glycemic carbs are... These people get all exited because they`re on a big mass program and eat anything they feel like while taking creatine in hopes of getting huge. 5 grams a day non training days and 10 grams a day on training days should do the trick.

Some people are just non responders and some say it`s because they already have high levels of creatine present in the blood. Others who`ve not respond to mono, take the ethyl ester and boom they get results. Go with the ester, it`s very affordable when bought in bulk...

[#8]

If you're goin for Creatine Monohydrate, maybe try again with some dextrose for uptake. PWO shake works good for this - 5-10g w/ 40g prote and 80g carbs.

If you're willing to try something new, you could look into Kre Alkalyn and Creatine Ethyl Ester. I haven't tried them personally, but have heard good reviews. Most come in caps, so they might be relatively expensive per portion, but apparently they work alot better for strength and endurance gains.

Good call, the Kre Alkalyn products I have used I have had excellent experience with. Purple K is great. Estherfied Creatines like Cellmass, or a capsul version by Magnum called BIG C, is pretty effective as well....I didnt think anyone was using mono anymore, its a dinosaur....

[Ritch]

Good call, the Kre Alkalyn products I have used I have had excellent experience with. Purple K is great. Estherfied Creatines like Cellmass, or a capsul version by Magnum called BIG C, is pretty effective as well....I didnt think anyone was using mono anymore, its a dinosaur....

Dinosaur huh? There was a poll done here and the majority used monohydrate, keep in mind these are vets choosing to do so. Purple K is way overpriced. The industry has to always come out with improved versions as there is a demand to do so. Although they can be argued being better, the claims they make are just foolish. Isn`t purple k just creatine with baking soda in it to adjust the ph of the product leaving less creatinine in the body? Not that it`s a problem in the first place... The old scare technique the sellers use... Could be wrong and honestly don`t care on this one.

[#8]

Dinosaur huh? There was a poll done here and the majority used monohydrate, keep in mind these are vets choosing to do so. Purple K is way overpriced. The industry has to always come out with improved versions as there is a demand to do so. Although they can be argued being better, the claims they make are just foolish. Isn`t purple k just creatine with baking soda in it to adjust the ph of the product leaving less creatinine in the body? Not that it`s a problem in the first place... The old scare technique the sellers use... Could be wrong and honestly don`t care on this one.


fair enough. i didnt know so many guys used it still. i work in a nutrition store and NOBODY asks for it anymore, and i dont know anyone who uses it...as for the baking soda, thats an interesting theory....any facts to back that up?

[kloan]

CEE, Kre Alkalyn.. gimmicks in my opinion. I have a feeling they're all pretty much the same thing. Personally, the only creatine that gives me real results has always been in a drink mix with other ingredients. I get good results with Allmax Krush. Dextrose, Glutamine, and other ingredients seem to make it work much better than the plain 'ol Creatine Monohydrate I was drinking in grape juice before it. I found with that, I had to consume around 15g a day to get results.. and yeah, a lot of it IS water retention.. but it definitely does help with strength and endurance.. making it a lil easier to push out the last few reps.

[Ritch]

fair enough. i didnt know so many guys used it still. i work in a nutrition store and NOBODY asks for it anymore, and i dont know anyone who uses it...as for the baking soda, thats an interesting theory....any facts to back that up?

Shit I can`t find it, but trust me this is what it is. I worked in these stores for a while myself and I know what you`re talking about. Of course they don`t mention this in the add because that would make them look like crooks which they are. But I will find the info soon.

[Ritch]

CEE, Kre Alkalyn.. gimmicks in my opinion. I've tried them all, and the only creatine that gives me real results has always been in a drink mix with other ingredients. Personally, I get great results with Allmax Krush. Dextrose, Glutamine, and other ingredients seem to make it work much better than the plain 'ol Creatine Monohydrate I was drinking in grape juice before it. I found with that, I had to consume around 15g a day to get results.. and yeah, a lot of it IS water retention.. but it definitely does help with strength and endurance.. making it a lil easier to push out the last few reps.

I do understand that some people get unexplainable results from certain products but this has me puzzled. You call CEE, kre,alkalyn gimmicks but choose that crush crap as your favorite??? This product has "has been" ingredients and in such inferior quantities they`re not worth mentioning. In my mind just taking advantage of untrained consumers eyes. They don`t even mention how many grams are in the "special mix". Now listing a propietary blend is shady to me but I understand they have to protect their products. This one is a step lower, not even giving a proprietary blend breakdown. Because if it was good, they would WANT YOU to know right?

Now I realize this is the second product I kinda rip on in this thread. I am seriously looking out for what I think is your best interest and telling what I think is the truth on bodybuilding products.
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[kloan]

I edited my post. I meant to say they're all basically the same product.. as far as creatine goes.

Personally, I get better results from the drink mix. I've been drinking creatine mono in grape juice for months, and the only time I'd get any real results from it was when I'd do loading... other than that, it didn't seem to do a lot.. a little, but not much.

The Krush drink mix from my experience has been good. I get great pumps (NO it's not just the sugar, the grape juice has plenty of sugar), so I'm only left to assume it's the combination of ingredients. I could be wrong, since I'm really only going by how I feel.. don't know what's really in it, what the measurements are, etc.

It does actually say how much creatine is in it per serving though, 6 grams. But yeah, I hear ya with the 'propietary blend' bullshit, they all do it and it drives me nuts. Just ****ing tell us what the hell is in it, and how much of it.

This particular product does list all ingredients, unlike a lot of other products that just list special blends, etc..

"Each serving (two scoops, 60 g) contains: Dextrose, 6 g pure micronized Creatine Monohydrate, maltodextrin. IS Complex [hydrolyzed vegetable protein, d–Pinitol, 4–Hydroxyisoleucine (from fenugreek seed extract)], NOS Complex [hydrolyzed vegetable protein, ginseng], ATP Complex [ribose, monopotassium phosphate], Recovery Complex [rosehips*, pyridoxine hydrochloride, zinc sulphate], Glutamine Complex [glutamine peptides (from hydrolyzed wheat protein)], Natural and Artificial Flavours, Sucralose."

[Ritch]

Allright then, I guess there is no need to over analyze this. I shared my point of view on this product, saying basically I wouldn`t spend my hard earned coin on it because I think it blows. Not really because I think it blows, mainly because there is so much better out there, that`s really what I want to say. But the main and most important thing is that it works for you, it`s just the siren in my head goes off whenever I read or hear of this product...

[kloan]

I'm open to suggestions! If you know of better products, please share. I only bought it cuz it was half price.

[Ritch]

There are many options, all depending how much you want to spend per month. Personally the best $4$ product I ever used has to be NO shotgun. Just to have my grounds perfectly covered, I would add some creatine ehtyl ester to it preworkout. Now let`s say you use the product 4x`s a week it will last 7 weeks. I usually take a light week in that time where I won`t use it or even a week off. So in reality it last 8 weeks and costs on average $60 which basically comes down to 1$/day! This is not necessary as I`m not sure you asked for such a product, but man will it ever increase your intensity and uptake of insulin after a workout because you train your ****ing ass off.

After the training let`s try to create a super Krush here: 75-100 grams of gatorade (2-3 scoops) with another 5 grams of creatine. Or to be more specific use a combination of dextrose and maltodextrine as they do. Another ingredient that may have done it for you as much as I hate to say it it the glutamine comlex they use known as glutamine peptides, these seem better at doing what glutamine is supposed to do. I would put in at least 2 grams easily up to 5 grams. Keep in mind 2 grams in probably 10x`s the amount they put in. The other ingredients I`d tinker with are d-pintol and 4-hydroxisoleucine which basically are insulin mimickers. Now because you use it after training and insulin sensitivity is already sky high, I doubt these ingredients are necessary. The other ingredients I left out(which I doubt any of them are necessary) are the hydrolized vegetable protein, ribose, ginseng and recovery complex. Now I`m positive the recovery complex here has nothing to do with the success you have with the product, the ribose, Biotest themselves tried to lauch this product and admitted themselves it was a flop. Tried it myself as well. The hydrolized protein for sure ain`t doing shit. The monopotasium phosphate I left out because honestly not sure what it is. Perhaps to reduce lactid acid, if that`s the case it`s something you`d want to take before the gym.

So basically if I were you and wanted to get better results, I`d take NO shotgun before training with extra ethy ester. After use a similar product to Krush with more carbs, same amount of creatine, more glutamine peptides, and lastly optimum dosages of the inslin mimickers. Can find them I think if needed. Oh yeah then drink 30 plus grams of protein staying in the carb to protein ratio`s mentioned. I think in 8 weeks you`d see a difference.

[slick rick]

Thx for the response guys. i'm going to try and keep it simple and just go with the Mono. I'll check out what Popeys has on sale and give it a go.

A few people mentioned they could add 10 lbs by using Mono, that is what i used to get out of it in my first year of training but i haven''t really got squat in the last few times I've tried it. If i could add 10lbs, whether it be water or not ..I'd be happy.

[Random Letters]

Thx for the response guys. i'm going to try and keep it simple and just go with the Mono. I'll check out what Popeys has on sale and give it a go.

A few people mentioned they could add 10 lbs by using Mono, that is what i used to get out of it in my first year of training but i haven''t really got squat in the last few times I've tried it. If i could add 10lbs, whether it be water or not ..I'd be happy.


Mono is the way to go...it's cheap and it's proven to be effective.

My PWO shake is water, 50g whey isolate, 50g waxy maize starch and 5-7g creatine mono.

[ironwill]

i dont know if im stuck in the 90s but i only buy creatine that has a creapure label on it, and on sale....those 2 things being in order, i buy it...i love monohydrate, crealkyn did zero for me...I take mono with my anavar, and wheeeew, i am in heaven.....
i also use grape juice, or dextrose powders and a bit of protein ppost work and love it..

[kloan]

Good post Ritch, thanks man.. I'll try it out.

Though since it's an NO product, I hope I don't experience the nasty sides I got from NO Explode (dizziness, headache, blurred vision, nausea).

[Ritch]

Good post Ritch, thanks man.. I'll try it out.

Though since it's an NO product, I hope I don't experience the nasty sides I got from NO Explode (dizziness, headache, blurred vision, nausea).

Speaking of dizziness that reminds me... Don`t just down the drink in one shot. I would take it in 5 big gulps or so shaking it a little before each time. NO Explode is kinda known for the side effects you mention. Just to be safe why not try a half a portion or 2/3 of one just to be sure psychologically, then build up from there.

[kloan]

Good idea.. I'm rather sensitive to caffeine as well, so I'll start of slow with the product to see how I respond. Though it won't be for a month or so, I'm so f'in broke right now...

[Praetorian]

The best type of creatine to use for overall growth and strength is creatine monohydrate but it has to be "Creapure" CEE and buffered creatine like Purple K work great right after you take them but you dont get the cell volumization as with regular Creapure Mono. Dextrose and other type of high GI products are not necessary to gain full absorption they just end up depositing adipose tissue.
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[#8]

The best type of creatine to use for overall growth and strength is creatine monohydrate but it has to be "Creapure" CEE and buffered creatine like Purple K work great right after you take them but you dont get the cell volumization as with regular Creapure Mono. Dextrose and other type of high GI products are not necessary to gain full absorption they just end up depositing adipose tissue.
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this is certain to cause much debate....any takers?

[Amoral]

this is certain to cause much debate....any takers?

Yeah I went out and bought 50lbs each of Dex and Malto - been using them everyday for a half a year and now slimmer and bigger if anything. Is that what you were talking about? As for absorption, not too sure.

[Ritch]

Nah, I`m a sit this one out...

[kloan]

I was curious about 'Creapure' and the quality of creatine since when we consume it, we consume a LOT of it... came across this article of sorts... http://www.fitnessandfreebies.com/health/creatine.html

It's by no means a medical journal but it does make me wonder about the quality of my creatine, and if it might not be as pure as it's claimed to be.

It's a shame supplement companies aren't required by law to be forthcoming with their ingredients and where they come from. I sincerely want to know how clean these products are when I'm consuming them regularly.

[L3]

from personal experience

ethyl ester = increased strenght/endurance

monohydrate = increased strenght/endurance AND cell volumization

no cell volumization from the EE even at high doses

im sticking with the mono with taurine :)

[deletedandgone]

Anyone ever threw up after taking mono?
I did, trying to figure out if it was the fish oil that I was supposed to put in the freezer, the chicken breast that smelt funny or the deadlift itself. I took 10g of mono on an empty stomach, then had some eggs (chicken was the night before) and went for a back-day. Felt like I was going to faint after deadlift, pulled myself together and drove home after the workout. Then I had to pull over and puke - my breakfast is still somewhere on the side of the road.

[Delt King]

I take the monohydrate and love it, always taken with dextroxe PWO.
And always bought in bulk
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