Test Suspension....Wicked

[ZeOne]

All right,

So yesterday evening was my second Testosterone Suspension shot. I will be doing daily at 0.5ml. I was using the painfree cyclodextrin based TNE prior and I liked it a lot.

Fruck, is this thing painful. It feels like your injecting battery acid or something, and the post injection is even worst and it leaves like a hard "knot" in your muscle for a couple of days. I shot in quads, and am having a hard time today transferring my full weight on my leg

...but man does the test ever kicks in fast! After 3 hours, you get a pump like no other, and I got a HUGE libido surge during the night. The pump lasted to the morning. This thing is really potent.

Beside the injection and post injection pain, I am loving the suspension. I just wish that this lab made non suspension TNE, as I am sure I could do without the pain.

Meanwhile I will try cutting it with some B12. I am doing prop EOD + suspension and the other day, suspension Alone. So far, it is less painful when mixed with the prop.





-Z-

[xxSCHiSMxx]

Fruck, is this thing painful. It feels like your injecting battery acid or something, and the post injection is even worst and it leaves like a hard "knot" in your muscle for a couple of days.
Get out the hot water bottle. If I apply some heat to injection area immediately, and give good massage, there is a lot less pain next day. Helps w/ the knots as well, may eliminate them all together.

[ZeOne]

Get out the hot water bottle. If I apply some heat to injection area immediately, and give good massage, there is a lot less pain next day. Helps w/ the knots as well, may eliminate them all together.

It's the weirdest feeling while injecting...reminds me of the old batches of M1T.

I have a microwavable hot compress. I will try applying that the next shot...and massaging.

I have been applying the hot compress since this morning, it does provide a temporary relieve.

[outshine]

I've heard that the pain is largely lab related. Its supposed to be really difficult compound to produce.

[ZeOne]

I've heard that the pain is largely lab related. Its supposed to be really difficult compound to produce.

Test suspension is a difficult compound? I have the feeling it is one of the easiest to produce, but I am no expert on that matter.

And test suspension is notorious for the post injection pain, so I am not so sure how much of it is lab related.




-Z-

[outshine]

test base is a bitch to work with. It is not just test and water, there are a lot of solvents involved and if they are not used in the appropriate ratios the suspension will either crash or hurt like a bitch (or both).

There are rumored to be some labs that make close to a pain free suspension.

[ZeOne]

test base is a bitch to work with. It is not just test and water, there are a lot of solvents involved and if they are not used in the appropriate ratios the suspension will either crash or hurt like a bitch (or both).

There are rumored to be some labs that make close to a pain free suspension.

I thought that the left behind crystals are what caused the pain because the body absorbs the carrier much before the crystals who's melting point is too high.

I never heard of a pain free test suspension (are you sure that these labs do actually have any hormone in the suspension? lol)...But the oil based TNE is much less painful.

Maybe someone with more experience on the topic can chime in.

[Big D]

i've seen a few post on here about guys having pain free test suspension, but no labs were mentioned.

it might have been Bolicpower talking about it, not sure tho?

[jethro1984]

I thought that the left behind crystals are what caused the pain because the body absorbs the carrier much before the crystals who's melting point is too high.

I never heard of a pain free test suspension (are you sure that these labs do actually have any hormone in the suspension? lol)...But the oil based TNE is much less painful.

Maybe someone with more experience on the topic can chime in.

Not too say Outshine is incorrect...but I dont think it has much to do with labs or difficulty in brewing. I'm not expert with Suspension, but as you said, the pain comes from the crystals being left in the muscle

[ZeOne]

Well, today the knot is gone, and the pain is 80% gone. It seems to take 3 days from injection date to disappear.

I will try cutting it with B12 and see if it is any better. I will update this thread with my findings.

[hommer_j]

Had some vet suspension in water a long time ago and it was totally pain free. It did clog the pin though so you needed to use a 21-23g needle.

[ZeOne]

Had some vet suspension in water a long time ago and it was totally pain free. It did clog the pin though so you needed to use a 21-23g needle.

What was the concentration and how many CCs were you injecting?

Btw, this suspension goes easily through a 25g.

[shithead]

When I was younger I used real Uni-test. The preservative used was thermosil. lol

[ergie]

Ya I've tried alot of painfull suspension, there's one out there though that is almost pain free.

[hommer_j]

I think it was uni vet. Amber 30cc vial, white label with green print. 100mg/ml

[ergie]

^^ I used that stuff, good suspension but a bitch to shoot.

[canadianmuscle0803]

test suspension with EO is pain free.

[ZeOne]

test suspension with EO is pain free.

Yeah, but then it is not a suspension any longer. It's TNE in EO.

[Stonewald Rockwater]

Yeah, but then it is not a suspension any longer. It's TNE in EO.

good catch

[Stonewald Rockwater]

I think it was uni vet. Amber 30cc vial, white label with green print. 100mg/ml


thats the one with the thermosil in it.

google thermosil. no wonder im as ****ed as i am. lol

[Carbonbase]

So vet grade is pain free...would immagine that human grade is also pain free?
If anyone tried human grade, did you still need to use a 21-23g pin?

[BolicPower]

So vet grade is pain free...would immagine that human grade is also pain free?
If anyone tried human grade, did you still need to use a 21-23g pin?
I have not idea they had HG test suspension, like trenE/trenA , who knows just though some vet grade, but not sure with painful things, innov always has things with no pain, that was prop though. To date most pain free i've run accross, and lol next lot had sting. Thats why i figure if something works good, make sure to get more asap, or you might get the next lot. this way more chance you get same lot.

[shithead]

thats the one with the thermosil in it.

google thermosil. no wonder im as ****ed as i am. lol

I never noticed any side effects from that test suspension, that I know of anyway.

[small_guy]

The first product I ever used was vet test suspension back in 1995 . I really had know idea what I was doing besides having the anabolic ref guide by bill phillips and good old muscle media 2000. Never had any real pain from it but hated injecting every day.

[canadianmuscle0803]

Yeah, but then it is not a suspension any longer. It's TNE in EO.

why I dont know this is beyond me.. what it TNE?

straight test with no ester?

[Seth]

yup, TNE = test no ester. The EO part scares me, with all those stories of dissolved rubber.

[simon85]

Hey

Anyone have tips to reduce injection pain with water based suspension? I heard about massaging and running the syringe under warm water for 10-15 secs.

[natenator]

The ONLY thing I have ever had pain from was a prop/tren combo. 100mg of each per ml. That stuff was a bit painful to use but not impossible.

I thank my lucky stars I've never realyl suffered from the pain too much. Bad shot pain? Yes but nothing which crippled me.

[ZeOne]

yup, TNE = test no ester. The EO part scares me, with all those stories of dissolved rubber.

Dissolved Rubber? ouch! where did you hear such stories?

[hommer_j]

Chad Nicols(sp) is the only human grade I know of. Comes in 1ml bullets and is 25mg or 50mg.... so a lot of e.d. shots.

[ZeOne]

Update: Been shooting glutes for the last 2 days, and I get almost no pain when compared to the quad shots. No pain when injection and only a minimal post injection pain, although the knot is still in the glutes, but where I shot it, it doesn't cause any major discomfort.

[Big D]

good to know, did you try any other spots ???

[ZeOne]

good to know, did you try any other spots ???

shoulders next, then my preferred spot, the chest :)

[Seth]

Dissolved Rubber? ouch! where did you hear such stories?

I don't remember when I read about it the first time. May have been on bb.com's forum. There's a guy who mentioned it lately in the EO thread on this very board. The EO allegedly eats the stopper. It's not that bad, but over time it accumulates in your system and it is toxic. I don't know if anyone can corroborate. I'll try to find the article and post it if I can

[AlbertaBeef]

Berserker said it yesterday in the EO thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by BAM
I think OE is rumoured to dissolve the rubber plunger/plastic of some syringes thereby causing the plunger to stick and also causing rubber/plastic residue to be injected. Not much research has been done on OE with regard to carcinogenic effects.

For now, I prefer that my gear is in oil.

This is true as i have an old empty bottle of 9* prop in my gear graveyard and the stopper is completely dissolved , its like melted rubber all over the place , works well though so its a toss up for me

[muscleshark]

I have never heard of pain-free suspension. It can't be suspension if it doesn't hurt. Like mentioned before, its the test crystals entering the muscle and then staying there undisolved after the carrier is absorbed, which makes it hurt. Isnt that not the sure fire way of knowing it is suspension? You can see the crystals in the carrier.

[ZeOne]

I have never heard of pain-free suspension. It can't be suspension if it doesn't hurt. Like mentioned before, its the test crystals entering the muscle and then staying there undisolved after the carrier is absorbed, which makes it hurt. Isnt that not the sure fire way of knowing it is suspension? You can see the crystals in the carrier.


As it turns out there is a confusion about suspension and TNE in Oil/EO. I don't know how many of the folks talking about painless suspension are actually referring to the latter.

[ZeOne]

OK, I will be shooting in my left delt in a few minutes. I will only be doing 0.25cc instead of 0.5cc and starting gradually. I will be cutting it with B12.

I will let you know tomorrow if I can move my arm :D

[ZeOne]

OK, injection wasn't painful at all, which is usually a good sign. Used a 1 incher.

I will keep you updated.

[ky_macdonald]

hey man i have tried test susp from two other labs both hurt equally best way to ease the pain i found was to work out the injection area immediatly after to increase blood flow and use a 26 gauge

[gsxr750]

Can someone explain to me the difference between Test as suspension VS Just Test Prop? Why chose Susp over Prop... just curious myself, couldn't really find much.

[ZeOne]

With test suspension the effects kick in after 2 to 3 hours. Personally I get a HUGE libido surge and an insane pump and some added strength when training.

I do get the libido increase with prop but not as a surge. I also get a nice pump with the prop, but nothing like the suspension, and the strength gains are gradual with the prop.

[gsxr750]

Thanks my friend :)

[ZeOne]

OK, so yesterday was chest day, so it involves a bit of shoulders. Had a great work-out.

Woke up this morning, just a bit of soreness, I can freely move my arm around and rotate it.

So the next dose will be 0.35cc

On a side note, my chest is still pumped this morning, very cool! I am pretty sure though that it has more to do with my change in diet then with anything else. I am adding back crabs slowly to my meals and stopping the Keto, until next spring.

[shithead]

I've never heard of back crabs before, is this some new diet secret?

[gsxr750]

Isn't crab like $9/LB?

[ZeOne]

Isn't crab like $9/LB?

Yeah, but I can afford it :P

[shithead]

haha

[ZeOne]

OK, so hot the right shoulder today with a 0.35cc, more discomfort then the left shoulder, but still bearable. I did use less B12 though this time around.

Previous time the ratio was 1:1, this time around I used 0.25cc of B12 for the 0.35cc of suspension.

Same libido surge, same pump, same aggression. I am not expecting a 0.10cc to make a difference quite honestly.

Next time, 0.5cc in left shoulder with a 1:1 B12 dilution.

[ZeOne]

OK, 0.5cc in left shoulder with 1:1 B12 dilution yielded in just a moderate level of soreness for 2 days, and then the pain is completely gone.

Next I am going to try to lower the B12 concentration.

[muscleshark]

[QUOTE=gsxr750;68524]Can someone explain to me the difference between Test as suspension VS Just Test Prop? Why chose Susp over Prop... just curious myself, couldn't really find much.[/QUO

Test suspension has no ester attached to it and is basically in its raw form suspended in steril water. The effects are almost immediate and only has a half life of about 6 hours, so every day injections are a must. Test prop, is test suspended in EO or oil with the Proprionate ester attached to it, and effects take a couple of days to kick in, and a half life of 2 to 3 days. .

[tex]

ooooo la laaa......i want me some tne.......haha.....can somebody list a nigga....

[Big D]

lol

[tex]

now i reaaaaally want some......im gonna pin it in my bi's and calves too......yeah biatch.....feeeel the burn.....

[ZeOne]

now i reaaaaally want some......im gonna pin it in my bi's and calves too......yeah biatch.....feeeel the burn.....

not the calves bro...not the calves....trust me on this one.

So far the shoulders have been the least painful for me. I will trade that small amount of soreness however any day for the kick ass effects I get from suspension.

[tarnow]

What gauge pin are you using? 25 or 23?

[ZeOne]

What gauge pin are you using? 25 or 23?

I am using 25, and it flows rather nicely.

[Big D]

after reading all of your post i feel like using suspension also. you guys are bad influences :p

[ZeOne]

after reading all of your post i feel like using suspension also. you guys are bad influences :p

lol, try it, I am sure you won't be disappointed.

Keep us updated if you do.

[Big D]

I think i might try it.

do you just alternate your shots in your shoulders ?

[ZeOne]

right now, I am running prop and suspension. Prop at 1cc EOD, and suspension trying to keep it a 0.5cc ED.

I alternate between glutes and shoulders. For some reason, the suspension in my quads just isn't working for me. The pain is too much and I have been skipping the legs workouts for the last 3 weeks.

It might be different for you though.

[liquidfire]

right now, I am running prop and suspension. Prop at 1cc EOD, and suspension trying to keep it a 0.5cc ED.

I alternate between glutes and shoulders. For some reason, the suspension in my quads just isn't working for me. The pain is too much and I have been skipping the legs workouts for the last 3 weeks.

It might be different for you though.

Bro I've been running the xxx Labs test suspension (125mg/ml) for a week today. I was almost crippled after putting .6cc in each shoulder (not the same day) haha. I can't imagine hitting them every 4 days. I have put .6cc in my quads and glutes with very minimal pain though.

I don't know if you mentionned in here what brand you're running but the xxxx Labs susp is the shit! I can't believe the pumps I am getting in the gym (or even doing basic things like folding laundry yesterday haha), my weight is up 8lbs already and strength is definitely up.

[gustavo77]

....I was almost crippled after putting .6cc in each shoulder (not the same day) haha....

Rookie...lol...j/k..

[ergie]

Its been awhile since xxx even made suspension.......

[Proteinkiller]

realy fergie? cuz i just got a new bottle of suspension i started today that is xxx ...
did my first shot of suspension ever and started with .7 ill work my way up to 1ml depending on how my shot areas hurt

[gustavo77]

realy fergie? cuz i just got a new bottle of suspension i started today that is SA ...
did my first shot of suspension ever and started with .7 ill work my way up to 1ml depending on how my shot areas hurt

I think what he means is that it is not really test suspension per say but test with no ester based in EO....true test suspension is test suspended in water. Same hormone though and virtually painless...test susp. in water is notoriously painful...

[Proteinkiller]

word nice catch gustav..
imo the suspension doesn't hurt quite as much as you guys are saying..it pinches but its not notorious lol i find the more you jab yourself the more your body gets used to it and it hurts less and less even with more and more mls...

[liquidfire]

Its been awhile since xxx even made suspension.......

Yeah you're right... Not actual suspension. TNE in EO... Same thing IMO.

[ZeOne]

I don't know if you mentionned in here what brand you're running but the SA Labs susp is the shit! I can't believe the pumps I am getting in the gym (or even doing basic things like folding laundry yesterday haha), my weight is up 8lbs already and strength is definitely up.

I didn't mention it in this thread because I wanted to keep it lab agnostic, but I am running xxx test suspension.

Absolutely awesome stuff.

[liquidfire]

I didn't mention it in this thread because I wanted to keep it lab agnostic, but I am running xxx test suspension.

Absolutely awesome stuff.

Gotcha...

Is the xxx stuff actual suspension in water or is it like the xxx labs that is just TNE in EO?

[ZeOne]

Gotcha...

Is the xxx stuff actual suspension in water or is it like the xxx labs that is just TNE in EO?

Suspension. You can actually see the hormone suspended in the carrier.

When it is in EO it is no longer in suspension.