2nd cycle, still room for change, so far though here it is, lean bulk

[Dk]

Test E @ 500mg/wk (1-10/12)
EQ @ 500mg/wk (1-10/12)
Tbol @ 40mg/ED (First 25 days)
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20

Kinda want my Test/EQ doses higher, but my vials are both doses 300mg/ml, so that works out perfect, 20ml for 12 weeks, that is injecting 0.83ml x2 a week, which will be hard to get spot on, so there may be a measurement issue that makes me stop at 11 weeks whatever.

i could get 2 more 20ml vials but it seems like a waste just to be able to confidently get in 1 more injection.

Anyway, i know 500mg of test is enough to grow good, but what about the EQ, 500 seems low, or is that just me, ive never used it

[jethro1984]

everyone is different. Some people see gains on EQ at 500...others need 800 to make it worth while. I know others that claim to gained nothing off it. 500 is probably a decent starting dose and see how your body reacts.

Remember, some people get bad anxiety off EQ..you probably don't want to start too high and end up with an anxiety attack. They arent fun

[Carbonbase]

I think your cycle is great!
I'm personnaly comming off 12wks of 600mgtest and 300mgEQ.
More EQ would have been super.
But i fell super, only got "small" but clean gains...and that's all i'm interested in anyway.

[Seth]

what do you mean by "small"?

[Carbonbase]

what do you mean by "small"?

On some other cycles i gained more then 20lbs...
Ex, test + dbol; Gained 24lbs during cycle
test + deca, gained 18lbs during and dropped 2%bf!!!
this one, test and EQ, gained 11lbs dropped 1%BF...

Smaller gains then the other 2...But as if not more solid.

[Big D]

On some other cycles i gained more then 20lbs...
Ex, test + dbol; Gained 24lbs during cycle
test + deca, gained 18lbs during and dropped 2%bf!!!
this one, test and EQ, gained 11lbs dropped 1%BF...

Smaller gains then the other 2...But as if not more solid.

but its always like that, your first few cycles you'll gain so much,
but you wont be able to get gains like that all the time otherwise you would be 400 pounds of muscle.

[theboss]

lean bulk = oxymoron

An oxymoron (plural oxymorons or, more rarely, oxymora) is a figure of speech that combines two normally contradictory terms. Oxymoron is a loanword from Greek oxy ("sharp" or "pointed") and moros ("dull"). Thus the word oxymoron is itself an oxymoron.

Oxymorons are a proper subset of the expressions called contradictions in terms. What distinguishes oxymorons from other paradoxes and contradictions is that they are used intentionally, for rhetorical effect, and the contradiction is only apparent, as the combination of terms provides a novel expression of some concept, such as "cruel to be kind" or "team of mavericks".

The most common form of oxymoron involves an adjective-noun combination. For example, the following line from Tennyson's Idylls of the King contains two oxymorons:

"And faith unfaithful kept him falsely true"

[Carbonbase]

but its always like that, your first few cycles you'll gain so much,
but you wont be able to get gains like that all the time otherwise you would be 400 pounds of muscle.

Thanks for destroying my dreams Big D! Lol

Maybe Tren will change that and give me 20lbs+ gains in the future…? lol

[Big D]

Thanks for destroying my dreams Big D! Lol

Maybe Tren will change that and give me 20lbs+ gains in the future…? lol

lol ,,, i know myself now a days i'm lucky if i gain 5lbs in a year,
when i first started, putting on 20 lbs a cycle was easy for the first 2 cycles haha

[canadianmuscle0803]

looks good for a second cycle, you could up the test to 750mg/week though.. are you injecting every 3.5 days? by lean gains you mean this based on your diet right?

[Kiem]

Thats pretty much my cycle but im running it longer and adding Tbol at the end. Should run the Test for 1 week longer then EQ, since EQ stays in the system longer. Are you not using any AI during cycle? IF you can get more it would be great since EQ takes along time to kick in (up to 6-8 weeks) , 12 weeks would probably be the minimum and 16 weeks would be the sweeet spot.

[Dk]

lean bulk = oxymoron

An oxymoron (plural oxymorons or, more rarely, oxymora) is a figure of speech that combines two normally contradictory terms. Oxymoron is a loanword from Greek oxy ("sharp" or "pointed") and moros ("dull"). Thus the word oxymoron is itself an oxymoron.

Oxymorons are a proper subset of the expressions called contradictions in terms. What distinguishes oxymorons from other paradoxes and contradictions is that they are used intentionally, for rhetorical effect, and the contradiction is only apparent, as the combination of terms provides a novel expression of some concept, such as "cruel to be kind" or "team of mavericks".

The most common form of oxymoron involves an adjective-noun combination. For example, the following line from Tennyson's Idylls of the King contains two oxymorons:

"And faith unfaithful kept him falsely true"
haha thanks boss


looks good for a second cycle, you could up the test to 750mg/week though.. are you injecting every 3.5 days? by lean gains you mean this based on your diet right?

mon/thursday, and by lean bulk i just mean clean bulk, im doing semi dirty right now and putting on to much BF


Thats pretty much my cycle but im running it longer and adding Tbol at the end. Should run the Test for 1 week longer then EQ, since EQ stays in the system longer. Are you not using any AI during cycle? IF you can get more it would be great since EQ takes along time to kick in (up to 6-8 weeks) , 12 weeks would probably be the minimum and 16 weeks would be the sweeet spot.hmm, well maybe i should get more then.

maybe ill end it with some prop, ive wanted to try prop for awhile, that t will give me enough test to keep going past EQ, and also be able to get into pct faster after last inj.

[Houstonbc]

why would you use prop at the end? use it at the beginning!

[Dk]

why would you use prop at the end? use it at the beginning!

only reason id add prop is to extend the time i have test in my body to match the time the EQ is left my body.

using it at the start, when would i start the Test E t then to accurately time it so when i go off the prop, the test E is kicking in.

startin them both from day 1 would defeat the point that im using it for, if you understand what im saying haha