Primo and var cycle

[Balic]

Hey everybody,

Im new to this forum and actually new to the world of steroids as well:)

Im planning my first cycle and I will be doing it in the beginning of next year.

My stats are:
23 Years old
6.2 ft - 190 cm (Im european, so I don't know if you measure hight in feat or cm)
192,9 pounds - 87,5 kilos
Bodyfat: 7-10%

I was thinking about doing the following cycle:

1-10 400ml Primo ew
2-10 50mg Anavar ed
10-? 2500ui HCG e5d x4
13-14 40mg Nolva ed
14-16 20mg Nolva ed

My goals are to gain as much clean muscle as possible. - I will use these products for a bulking cycle, even though I know some of you will suggest other compounds that will do this quicker. IMO it's just a question of how you plan the diet for cutting or bulking:)
Also, Im doing sports at a semi-serious level so I want to keep the detection time as low as possible.

Any suggestions? Critics? I really want to do this right and therefore I would appreciate all the help I can get.

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

Hey everybody,

Im new to this forum and actually new to the world of steroids as well:)

Im planning my first cycle and I will be doing it in the beginning of next year.

My stats are:
23 Years old
6.2 ft - 190 cm (Im european, so I don't know if you measure hight in feat or cm)
192,9 pounds - 87,5 kilos
Bodyfat: 7-10%

I was thinking about doing the following cycle:

1-10 400ml Primo ew
2-10 50mg Anavar ed
10-? 2500ui HCG e5d x4
13-14 40mg Nolva ed
14-16 20mg Nolva ed

My goals are to gain as much clean muscle as possible. - I will use these products for a bulking cycle, even though I know some of you will suggest other compounds that will do this quicker. IMO it's just a question of how you plan the diet for cutting or bulking:)
Also, Im doing sports at a semi-serious level so I want to keep the detection time as low as possible.

Any suggestions? Critics? I really want to do this right and therefore I would appreciate all the help I can get.

Well bro imo you should use test, maybe a small dose of test prop weekly?
Also i think your anavar dose is to high for a first time user and also i wouldnt use hcg. Primo and var are very easy on the body! nolva would do just fine.:a+

[canadianmuscle0803]

Well bro imo you should use test, maybe a small dose of test prop weekly?
Also i think your anavar dose is to high for a first time user and also i wouldnt use hcg. Primo and var are very easy on the body! nolva would do just fine.:a+

i have to agree for the most part.. but test prop weekly? you mean every other day correct?

to the original poster- you need testosterone as a foundation for all your cycles, its just that simple.. anything you take that's anabolic will shut your own production down.. test is a must.. since this being your first cycle i would do something like test cyp because you could get away with injecting every 7 days due to the half life.. good luck.

[gustavo77]

My goals are to gain as much clean muscle as possible. - I will use these products for a bulking cycle, even though I know some of you will suggest other compounds that will do this quicker. IMO it's just a question of how you plan the diet for cutting or bulking:)


You got that right bro, it's all about diet. That said, a small dose of test will not make your gains any less "clean". But what a small dose of test will do is keep your libido and energy levels in check and also increase your gains.

As for the cycle it looks pretty good, not truly ideal for bulking but again it is all about diet. Add 250-300mg of test E or C in there for the 10 weeks though and i believe it will make your cycle ten times better.

Regarding the HCG, do not use 2500iu at once. High doses of HCG can damage the cells of the testes and no one truly knows where the threshold is for damage. If you are only going to use it pre-pct then run 1000iu for three shots, one every 3 days, then run 500iu for 4 more shots again, one every 3 days, then start your nolva or clomid therapy. This dosing scheme will use 5000iu over the course of 19-20 days and will ready the testes for the LH production to come from the nolva or clomid.

I am a big believer that more is not always better when it comes to pct drugs. Just 50mg of clomid per day for three weeks works fine for me and i run long cycles. I have posted a study before in which just 25mg of clomid per day increased LH and test levels in men suffering from hypogonadism.

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

i have to agree for the most part.. but test prop weekly? you mean every other day correct?

to the original poster- you need testosterone as a foundation for all your cycles, its just that simple.. anything you take that's anabolic will shut your own production down.. test is a must.. since this being your first cycle i would do something like test cyp because you could get away with injecting every 7 days due to the half life.. good luck.

Yes EOD. ;)

[Kronis]

Good on you.

If I could afford Primo I'd love to try it at 4-600mg/week with 250-300mg test e or c, as suggested above. Maybe even throw in some EQ. I'll save that for a later time :D

[Ah...Fk]

I'm running 200mg Primo EOD and 50mg Var ED. It's been 4 days and I feel awesome. Most likely placebo effect I guess but lifts are up and muscles are fuller. That's on 45 mins cardio ED and 4 workouts per week. Clean diet too.

[muscleshark]

You have to run test with anything no matter what, or it isnt worth doing. Planning cycles without test is just outright amateur, with lack of education involved. Please don't anyone take offence but there is no two ways about it. TEST AS A BASE ALWAYS!!!!!!!

[BryanWilliams]

primo sux imo
i disagree, you dont NEED test, but i always run it as i do feel its the best drug, but many people are fine running something like eq as a base, even though i dont

[Balic]

Thanks for all your replies!

As I do prefer to listen to some bros with experience I'm taking up the advice and replacing the primo with test cyp.

so the cycle will look like this:

1-10 400mg test cyp ew
2-10 50mg anavar ed
10-13 5000ui HCG in total
13-14 40mg Nolva ed
14-16 40mg Nolva ed

What is the detection time for test cyp? Would 50mg of var really be too much?

[muscleshark]

primo sux imo
i disagree, you dont NEED test, but i always run it as i do feel its the best drug, but many people are fine running something like eq as a base, even though i dont

Elaborate on why you don't "need" test as a base to a cycle please?