Protection (side effects)

[Canection]

Protect yourself please.

I think first and foremost people should be buying/ordering PCT first. There are too many complaining about gyno, bad skin, muscle loss.

A new paradime needs to take place where bodybuilders put more effort into the PCT and reduction of sides.

Check list

Nolvadex: (strong anti-estrogen) This is not only needed for test cycles because your natural production will shut down on any compound and receptors will undoubtly be left to pick up estrogen.

Clomid: (anti-estrogen) Helps to kickstart natural test production in the HPTA and LH axis. This should be taken 18-21 days after your last shot depending on the ester.

B6: (anti-progesterone) Do not kid yourself progesterone will give you tits just as much as estrogen will. Be sure to take these daily especially if you are running Deca/Tren.

B5/Accutane/soap/tanning: We have all seen that guy with the great body who sports horrible scarring acne all over his body and ruins all the hard work. Keep the skin clean, tan it and take meds if nec.

Be safe.

[gustavo77]

Bump that. In addition, if you already know that you are sensitive to estrogen (like me), get a real Aromtase Inhibitor like Aromasin, Arimidex or Letrozole and drop the Nolvadex. Also if you are running tren or deca, have some cabaser on hand to keep prolactin levels in the normal range...your sex drive will thank you, so will your nipples. Finally I think HCG should always be on hand, incase you start to experience testicular atrophy (shrinkage) on cycle. Myself I just use HCG throughout my whole cycle, makes PCT much, much easier.

[ThaChamp]

Bump this, well good buddy.

[Canection]

Great points Gus, I forgot to add those. Running HCG is a great idea throughout the cycle especially if its a long one.

I have been discusted the last couple times I have been in the change room. Acne from head to toe that will definately scar and bitch tits that actually hang. You know what I am talkin about Champ.

[St]

Very good thread.

[Canection]

I am just really sick of seeing people forget the anti-estrogens for whatever reason. Just playing with fire.

Another thing is to mentally realise things are going to bother you more while you are on then when you are off. Some people know I am running fina just by how I act. Doesnt take much if you are in a bad mood to really hurt someone.

Be safe, be aware.

[CANADIAN_COPPER]

Never Done A Drop In My Life But Im Gonna Try Soon!!! Dumb Question But Pct Do I Take When On Stuff Or Off???the Estrogen Im Assuming After A Cycle!!!

[gustavo77]

Never Done A Drop In My Life But Im Gonna Try Soon!!! Dumb Question But Pct Do I Take When On Stuff Or Off???the Estrogen Im Assuming After A Cycle!!!

PCT stands for post cycle therapy, this is a drug protcol that will help your body start producing test again. As far as what to take during cycle with your gear, take an anti-estrogen, arimidex or aromasin or at least an estrogen blocker such as Nolvadex.

[TheBigStink]

A new paradime needs to take place where bodybuilders put more effort into the PCT and reduction of sides.



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it's actually spelled paradigm ................i have seen it spelled like that before tho, when SDL came back as paradime labs.

[CANADIAN_COPPER]

Tx Gust!!
Another Dumb Question!!
So When On The "juice" Your Raising Your Test Levels!!! The Male Hormone!!! Estrogen Is A Female Hormone!! I Know We Have Very Little Of It In Our Bodies But Does The Body Start Mass Producing Estrogen As Well???
Im Just Not Understand The Estrogen Thing!!!
(i Should Of Read More Instead Of Just Lifting Lol)

[TheBigStink]

Tx Gust!!
Another Dumb Question!!
So When On The "juice" Your Raising Your Test Levels!!! The Male Hormone!!! Estrogen Is A Female Hormone!! I Know We Have Very Little Of It In Our Bodies But Does The Body Start Mass Producing Estrogen As Well???
Im Just Not Understand The Estrogen Thing!!!
(i Should Of Read More Instead Of Just Lifting Lol)

it"s all about ratios bro.

[CANADIAN_COPPER]

Ok Let Me Put This Another Way Lol
What The Heck Do I Need To Take For A Proper And Safe Cycle??
From First Pill/shot To Last!!
First Time Ever Using As Well So Do I Need Dbol As A Jump Starter As Well??

Tx For The Info This Is All New To Me!!!

[TheBigStink]

Ok Let Me Put This Another Way Lol
What The Heck Do I Need To Take For A Proper And Safe Cycle??
From First Pill/shot To Last!!
First Time Ever Using As Well So Do I Need Dbol As A Jump Starter As Well??

Tx For The Info This Is All New To Me!!!


well, i am by no means qualified to answer such a question. very, very few here are. there are so many variables it's pretty much infinite.

the biggest variable being you. unfortunately this board is so new it is lacking a lot of the info you need to research.

so, take your time, keep asking questions, digest what everyone has to add and come to your own conclusions.

there is so much to learn if you want to be safe, patience is a virtue.

[TheBigStink]

"COPPER".... here is a little article on the durham region for you:

Two-month steroids probe results in large drug seizure

Mar 29, 2007

DURHAM -- Five people are facing charges and a large quantity of drugs have been seized after a two-month undercover police investigation into the sale of illegal steroids at a Pickering fitness club.

Members of several Durham police units executed search warrants at three locations in Bowmanville and Ajax as the investigation culminated, seizing steroids, cocaine, ecstasy, prescription pain killers and GHB, known as the date rape drug, worth more than $90,000. Among those charged is a nutritionist from the fitness club, police said. Cops also recovered more than $4,000 in cash.

The project began as a Drug Enforcement Unit investigation in February after police received information about illegal steroids being sold at the club. That probe soon revealed that a number of other drugs were being sold, police said.

As a result of the investigations, several men have been charged with trafficking and other drug-related offences. They are Troy Persaud, 31, of Aspen Springs Drive in Bowmanville; Jason Pineau, 22, of Sivyer Crescent in Ajax; Patrick Yoshida, 22, of Wicks Drive in Ajax; Austen Drysdale, 20, of Cedarview Drive in West Hill, and Robert Scott Milne, 32, of Wicks Drive in Ajax.

Mr. Milne is a nutritionist at the fitness club police targeted. In addition to drug charges he is charged with extortion and conspiracy to commit extortion, as well as possession of the proceeds of crime.

[meathead]

Protect yourself please.

I think first and foremost people should be buying/ordering PCT first. There are too many complaining about gyno, bad skin, muscle loss.

A new paradime needs to take place where bodybuilders put more effort into the PCT and reduction of sides.

Check list

Nolvadex: (strong anti-estrogen) This is not only needed for test cycles because your natural production will shut down on any compound and receptors will undoubtly be left to pick up estrogen.

Clomid: (anti-estrogen) Helps to kickstart natural test production in the HPTA and LH axis. This should be taken 18-21 days after your last shot depending on the ester.

B6: (anti-progesterone) Do not kid yourself progesterone will give you tits just as much as estrogen will. Be sure to take these daily especially if you are running Deca/Tren.

B5/Accutane/soap/tanning: We have all seen that guy with the great body who sports horrible scarring acne all over his body and ruins all the hard work. Keep the skin clean, tan it and take meds if nec.

Be safe.

Canection, what doses do you recomend running the B5 and B6 at?

[Canection]

I know people to have ran as much as a gram of b5. Depends on if its preventative which would be a moderate dose or if its for curing.

Are you having issues with acne?

B6 is good at 500mgs daily. 1g if its becoming a problem. If the pain continues you will want to look at something stronger.

B6 actually helps with protien obsorption as well so its just an all around good vit to take. Love my morning and nighly doses of all them!

[ergie]

PCT's a drag, Nova and clomid both totally kill my sex drive.

[TheBigStink]

PCT's a drag, Nova and clomid both totally kill my sex drive.


wurd. it sux.

[meathead]

I know people to have ran as much as a gram of b5. Depends on if its preventative which would be a moderate dose or if its for curing.

Are you having issues with acne?

B6 is good at 500mgs daily. 1g if its becoming a problem. If the pain continues you will want to look at something stronger.

B6 actually helps with protien obsorption as well so its just an all around good vit to take. Love my morning and nighly doses of all them!

Ya, Canection...I get backbrail quite bad when im on so I figured id give B5 a try along with tanning and washing. I want to stay away from accutane and such since its hard on the liver. The only time I get any signs of gyno is on Deca or tren. I have stayed clear of them for a while now. nolva didnt help since its progesterone and Im not sure about using bromo and such since guys say it makes em feel like shit.