M1T Need your help!

[Thechamp]

Hey,
I have a friend who started messing with M1T and he's been only working out for 5 months. He Know nothing about this stuff except that it make you bigger. I told him that his not to smart to be taking somthing he know nothing about. Well i need your guys help with some info about this stuff and what are some of the side effects? So that i can give him some info.
Thanks alot!!

[Seth]

Just took the side effects part from an article written by RRAdam back in '04
http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/forums/anabolic-steroids-anabolic-chemistry-testosterone-enhancers/18847-m1t-faq.html
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3. Does m1t convert into estrogen?
No, the fact that it is 5alpha reduced prevents this.

4. So that means I can't get gyno from m1t.
No, gyno is a rather common side effect of m1t, while the 5alpha reduction should prevent the aromatization into estrogen; no studies have shown this to be the case. It is more likely that m1t gyno is progesterone or prolactin induced. Nolvadex should still help prevent/alleviate any gyno symptoms. Supplementation with vitamin B6 @ 300mg a day may also prove useful.

5. Will m1t make my hair fall out?
It can - m1t is very androgenic, which can lead to many androgenic side effects such as acceleration of male pattern baldness, benign prostate hypertrophy, acne, and aggression. Finasteride (propecia) would have no effect on this; the only solution would to use a topical agent such as spironolactone, minoxodil, azelaic acid, or nizoral shampoo.

6. Are there any other side effects?
Yes, many people report bad bloating from m1t - the cause is unknown, but I could speculate that it is due to progesteronic activity. Many others report moderate to severe back cramping/tightness. Supplementation with taurine and potassium can help alleviate this side effect. Shut down of the HPTA is severe with m1t, so using testosterone or 4ad along with m1t would be advisable to prevent loss of libido. HCG would also be recommended during the cycle to prevent testicular atrophy. Lethargy is another side effect of m1t, the cause of this is unknown, but it is often reported. High blood pressure is one other major side effect of m1t. The increase in bp often causes headaches. Supplementation with hawthorn berry, garlic and/or celery extract should help alleviate some of these sides. M1t is 17alpha-alkylated, making it very harsh on the liver, so ideally your liver values should be checked before, during and after the cycle. Supplementation with alpha lipoic acid and milk thistle can help prevent liver damage. Other methylated substances SHOULD NOT be taken concurrently with m1t.

8. Is 6oxo enough for pct?
No, you should pct with nolva or clomid. 6oxo simply won’t cut it.

10. What is the half life of m1t?
Well, the active life is speculated to be around 12 hours. Though, I believe it to be at least 48 hours. There have been no tests to my knowledge to confirm or deny one way or the other, but from personal experience, m1t seems to last a couple days after your last dosage. Also, one could speculate that since m1t is a dbol derivative, its active life would be similar – around 9 hours or so. So this is definitely up in the air.

11.Will I lose all my gains after a cycle?
Not if you do proper pct and continue to train and eat properly after your cycle. Though, you will probably lose a few pounds of water after your cycle, this is expected.

12. What are the reccomended dosages?
Most people should start off with 10mg a day. The dosage should never exceed 20mg a day, unless liver values are closely monitored. Dosages of 40mg are not unheard of, but not recommended.

13. How long can I run m1t?
Most people prefer the 2on/2off/2on routine, but you could run it for 4 weeks straight. It should not be taken for more than 6 weeks straight.

[Ritch]

Good read. I would just debate the using of hcg during the cycle. Really not required,your ball won`t shrink from 2-4 weeks like most people do. Your friend is nuts using that after 5 months of training. Tell him to get some vitamins, protein powder and creatine if he wants to speed things up. Even the creatine can wait. Why dosen`t he suscribe to this site?

[Gettin'r'round]

I'd keep him away from an internet bb'ing site. before long he'll be asking is 1000mg of test per week, 60mg d-bol/day with a two week start of DNP is enough

It wasn't long after I found anabolex and varix so long ago that I started to misbehave.

[Thechamp]

The mess up thing is that he's really young. He just turned 18!!

[MuSuLPhReAk]

From all I heard about M1T I don't think it's something good. Maybe the others can chime in with their opinon as I don't have any first hand experience with it.

[yeahhhhh]

2 - 4 weeks m1t shouldn't shut u down too hard. Otc pct like rebount xt or testoplex or w/e should be ok if u can't get ahold of nolva. I've ran m1t with these OTC supps and I was perfectly fine. I think everyone is so worried about pct these days. Back in the day people didn't even know wut it was. I know guys that have run full. Cycles and did no pct and they were fine. Ull just keep more gains if u do it right with pct

[cedric]

2 - 4 weeks m1t shouldn't shut u down too hard. Otc pct like rebount xt or testoplex or w/e should be ok if u can't get ahold of nolva. I've ran m1t with these OTC supps and I was perfectly fine. I think everyone is so worried about pct these days. Back in the day people didn't even know wut it was. I know guys that have run full. Cycles and did no pct and they were fine. Ull just keep more gains if u do it right with pct

keep in mind also that he is 18 and should be able to grow plenty with proper nutrition and training- without permanently ****ing up his system.

[spankmonkey]

Tough thing is this guy is 18 and has apparently made a decision to start taking without properly investigating, so how do you convience him there are other ways?
Dont know how well you know this dude, but its like having a buddy on crack. He may not see what he is doing as a problem just like the guys who shoot high doses of shit with the "more is better" philosophy

[xxSCHiSMxx]

2 - 4 weeks m1t shouldn't shut u down too hard.
2 - 4 wks on M1T always shut me down hard. Potent stuff.

[yeahhhhh]

im not saying its a good idea to do M1T at the age of 18. i waited until i was 20 before i took m1t and then 21 before i juiced it. i probably should have waited longer because i could have grow more naturally too but i was impatient.

right now the facts are that this guy is already taking M1T. i highly doubt a bunch of people telling this guy not to do it in a forum is actually gonna stop him from doing it. im just saying that its not gonna be the "end of the world" now that he is taking it.


keep in mind also that he is 18 and should be able to grow plenty with proper nutrition and training- without permanently ****ing up his system.

yes he could most definitely grow more from working out naturally. i highly doubt that taking 2 - 4 weeks of M1T will permanently "**** up" his system

now tell you friend that he should do as much research as he can before taking more steroids in the future. i researched and read forums for over a year before i even touched M1T. steroids do definitely have serious side effects and i can speak from experience

[Bowlcut]

Same story for my friend. I get a text message late in the night asking about m1t.
Turns out my friend got a bottle from Golds as was told to take 40mg/day!
Are you kidding me! He tells me he keeps getting headaches so obviously I told him to stop.

Granted he is an adult and can make his own decisions, but how can these gyms sell the stuff to people who have no clue about it? I still think some honor exists amongst men but not in that case.

[Carbonbase]

[QUOTE=Gettin'r'round;54977]I'd keep him away from an internet bb'ing site. before long he'll be asking is 1000mg of test per week, 60mg d-bol/day with a two week start of DNP is enough QUOTE]

HAHAHAH!
So true...pill poping kids these dayz...train for 2 weeks and want to look like Arnold in 2 months...

[Thechamp]

Just to clear up somthing. He just turned 18 a couple of weeks ago!! I just found out that he got this stuff at a supplement store when he was 17!! The guy told him not to worry because M1T is not strong stuff and that he will get big in no time. Another thing is that my friend has really bad acne problems.

[rad]

Well anything that plays with your hormones will only give you worst acne if you're prone to it.

[Ritch]

Just to clear up somthing. He just turned 18 a couple of weeks ago!! I just found out that he got this stuff at a supplement store when he was 17!! The guy told him not to worry because M1T is not strong stuff and that he will get big in no time. Another thing is that my friend has really bad acne problems.

Would you mind telling which supplement store he bought it at. So I can tell people where not to go.

[Thechamp]

I'll ask him

[Bowlcut]

Did you guy see the program on Radio Canada that discussed stores here selling M1t and other prohormones. If you search the board it will probably come up.

[Rhinobolt10]

I don't really know what to think of it. I ran it the last 2 weeks before a strongman show. I was also running a half gram of test and 200mgs of tren (anyone who says 200ms of tren is a waste, is full of crap, best decision I ever made). I had great strength gains from my cycle. Added M1T just because a friend had it, and I'd heard good things from a few national level strength athletes, so I added it in. The last 2 weeks I barely did anything training wise, I did train events a week before the comp and they went really well. At the comp I died, but it was not my cycle, it was me and my training. end of story.
So I have no idea about gains off M1T, but I did take a quite a few the day of the meet, and I had a brutal headache afterwards, but I always do after a meet.
I'm also feeling pretty friggin shutdown. I've run tren a fair amount, and for a while before I added in the m1t and I can say I'm a lot more shutdown now from the addition of M1T

[xxSCHiSMxx]

got this stuff at a supplement store when he was 17!! The guy told him not to worry because M1T is not strong stuff and that he will get big in no time. Another thing is that my friend has really bad acne problems.
M1T not strong. :p Stuff always shut me down hard. I couldn't handle anymore that 3 - 4 wks on stuff before sides became unbearable.

I often wondered during the otc steroids crazy, how many of them there bottles were gobbled up by teenagers. Sad really. I'm glad the stuff wasn't round when I was young, all I had were my issues of all-natural MD. :)

So anyways, there will always be sleazy ppl w/ out morals, selling kids M1T, crack, whatever.

[L3]

I just found out that he got this stuff at a supplement store when he was 17!!

Same thing happened to a very good friend of mine. He got sold m1t at 16 from the neighborhood bbing store, no directions other than take 2 a day....ended up doing 15+ cycles of the stuff and had to get surgery, didnt discuss the specifics with me but it was on his you-know-what.

side effects as reported by him; headaches, really bad calf muscle pumps from just walking around, acne, rage (he got sued for taking a baseball bat to a car),

no mention of gyno

but god damn was he ever jacked up in grade 11

[Big D]

same thing with me i was 17 and taking m1t like candy, luckily I read up on it so i was going 4 on 4 off. and I did do pct. I had real good friends that were on m1t for months and drinking every weekend, I could just imagine what that was doing to them :(

[hyperlite32]

It is a real steroid, although an OLD steroid it has powerful properties. If you decide to use ANYTHING of this nature, you should be well read and educated on the posative and negative effects of the "supp" you are choosing to take. On that note, I found 10-20mg to provide me with very good strength gains, great pumps, put on some LBS as well. On the negative I found the lethargy and headaches to be annoying but bearable with alittle ECA.

My 2CC's

HYP

[muscleshark]

M1t was introduced back in the late 50's but was put on the backburner as an unfinished steroid. A company in the supplement industry found this steroid and noticed it wasn't on the banned substance list and immediatly marketed it as a pro-hormone and got it on the shelfs fast before the authorities caught on to what it really was. Then the Pro-hormone ban in '05 came around but the "pro-hormone" moniker stuck with m1t even though it was just a marketing gimmick. M1t is a hella strong oral anabolic 'roid folks. The larthargy from it is due to its low androgenic component, so it is imparative that it be run with test. It should be run like Anadrol or Dianabol or even tren, for short periods of time, 6 weeks at the most, and as an added stack, NOT a stand alone base. It is one of if not, the strongest oral steroid available believe it or not. For those of you who want to truly feel its potential, run a cycle of prop @ 100 mgs eod for 10 to 12 weeks and 20 to 30 mgs a day of M1t for 6 weeks and beleive me those usual sides of m1t are not prevailant, and you will give m1t a whole new respect I promise.

[Ritch]

M1t was introduced back in the late 50's but was put on the backburner as an unfinished steroid. A company in the supplement industry found this steroid and noticed it wasn't on the banned substance list and immediatly marketed it as a pro-hormone and got it on the shelfs fast before the authorities caught on to what it really was. Then the Pro-hormone ban in '05 came around but the "pro-hormone" moniker stuck with m1t even though it was just a marketing gimmick. M1t is a hella strong oral anabolic 'roid folks. The larthargy from it is due to its low androgenic component, so it is imparative that it be run with test. It should be run like Anadrol or Dianabol or even tren, for short periods of time, 6 weeks at the most, and as an added stack, NOT a stand alone base. It is one of if not, the strongest oral steroid available believe it or not. For those of you who want to truly feel its potential, run a cycle of prop @ 100 mgs eod for 10 to 12 weeks and 20 to 30 mgs a day of M1t for 6 weeks and beleive me those usual sides of m1t are not prevailant, and you will give m1t a whole new respect I promise.

That`s the story I heard as well. M1t was put on the backburner becasue it was too toxic. Imagine even the pharm companies didn`t want to put it on the market because of the sides, then nearly 50 years later we see that same product advertised in muscle magazines.